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At our public display this year we are having a "VIP" night where a very limited group of people/kids can actually operate our trains. These are PS2 conventional, and we will have a 1:1 ratio of staff per visitor. But in the event something happens, is there a way to limit the speed of these engines? We run 42 curves, and I have never had one of these engines toss a wheel, but thought a safety net would be a decent idea. 

Can I wire a POT in the ac line to the track? We can run the trains full throttle, and turn the POT down until the "safe speed" is determined. Would this work? Is there a better idea?

 

*Please no replies about "You guys are crazy for letting someone else play with your trains". We understand the risk, but it is worth it to us to give the special needs side of our visitors a once in a year opportunity. Our display is for fun, and none of us run visionline bigboys if you know what I mean.  We even have a DC line to run the 1980 040 Lionel switchers. Our building doesn't have a ramp yet, but we have the fellas to carry the wheelchairs up the steps.

Thanks in advance- 

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I think if you limit the track voltage somewhat you can keep the trains on the tracks.  I've never tried to do speed limiting in conventional mode with PS/2 locomotives, and I don't see anything obvious in the manual, though it may be hidden in there.  Given that you have lots of staff handy, you should be able to keep all the wheels pointing down.

 

Kudos to you for doing this Roger, it's a very nice thing for your club to be sponsoring.

If you plug a VARIAC into the wall, and the plug your train transformers into the variac, you can adjust the voltage down from 120 to say, 100 (or less).

 

Less voltage into your transformers means less voltage out.  A variac works because it outputs a lower voltage of the pure sine wave AC that comes from your outlet.

 

Put your transformers on full speed, and adjust the variac for desired top speed.

 

They sell for as low as $69 on d'Bay for a 500W unit

 

 

variac

I do it on my Christmas layout at home so the kids can run it.

 

Ed

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Thanks for the replies- 

No club here, just a small group of men & ladies doing something for our community, at the same time bringing a bunch of folks into our Town Hall where we have our Historical Society. First time we did it with a modest 160 square foot layout we thought we would see maybe 100 people. We had over 500 kids come through, not including parents or grandparents. I want to raffle off an HO starter set this year to some kiddo- you get a raffle ticket after you turn in your scavenger hunt worksheet.

Originally Posted by rogerpete:

No club here, just a small group of men & ladies doing something for our community

Well, the only thing missing is the paperwork and you could be a club!

 

Club or not, you're doing a very nice thing here.

 

At Henning's Trains, the display layout has two CW-80 transformers running a couple of the tracks.  A screw was set in to block the throttle and only allow it to advance about 2/3 of the way up, limits the speed so that you can't overspeed the locomotives.  Sometimes the simplest solutions are the good ones.

Originally Posted by Dale H:
Originally Posted by eddiem:

If you plug a VARIAC into the wall, and the plug your train transformers into the variac, you can adjust the voltage down from 120 to say, 100 (or less).

 

Less voltage into your transformers means less voltage out.  A variac works because it outputs a lower voltage of the pure sine wave AC that comes from your outlet.

 

Put your transformers on full speed, and adjust the variac for desired top speed.

 

They sell for as low as $69 on d'Bay for a 500W unit

 

 

variac

I do it on my Christmas layout at home so the kids can run it.

 

Ed

This would work with PW type transformers,but I would be careful with modern type with solid state outputs.

 

Dale H

I've used it with CW80's and Z-1000's, and with a TIU with great success.

... and it's easily insert-able for specific events.

 

Ed

Thanks for sharing Dale. I've been following the speed control topics for a while. Definitely understand how this is the preferred method of speed control without isolating the center rail. I'll be seeking your help soon when I get ready to install on our Christmas Polar Express Double Helix.
 
Originally Posted by Dale H:

A few people E mailed me on the circuit so here is a diagram for those interested.Click to enlarge.

 

 

slow down circuit

 

Parts are 3, 25 amp bridge rectifiers used as voltage droppers the 3 shown will drop about 4 volts but more or less can be used. They can be tapped in .6 volt increments to obtained the desired drop.

 

5 diodes 1n4001. 4 of the diodes provide half wave DC rectification for the relay coil. They keep the 4 outside insulated rails separated electrically in case the outside rails on the curves are also used for block signals or similar purposes. more sections can be insulated for slow down in the same way for more complicated loops. The diode across the relay coil eliminates voltage spikes.

 

1, 470 uf or 1000 uf capacitor,35 volt or more. This charges DC to peak and prevents relay chatter.

 

1 relay SPDT with at least 10 amp contacts and a 24 VDC coil.

 

These parts can be had from www.allelectronics.com or similar electrical supply houses. Cost for all the parts would be maybe $25.

 

Shown hooked to a PWZW but any transformer with appropriate accessory taps can be used. 12 VDC coiled relays can be used with a 10 volt tap.

 

The train wheels on the curves connect the outside insulated rails to track common and energize the relay.

 

The contacts are wired so that if the relay coil  is on the (when any car is on the insulated section) the track voltage is reduced by about 4 volts. When not occupied the track receives full voltage. Similar set ups can be used for uphill boost and down hill reduction in voltage.

 

PS2 engines in conventional run between about 8 and 18 volts.  So if set on 16 volts,the train would run with full voltage on the straights and about 12 volts on the curves.. Center rails need not be insulated if only 1 train runs on the loop. Thus,there is no roller jumping problem,the advantage of using a relay.

 

Dropping voltage with diodes is explained in and earlier link.

 

 

Below in the middle of the pic is a voltage dropper made from diodes and rectifiers which is used as a complete throttle for automation,providing a 5-16 volt spread for track voltage for soft start. In the above circuit 3 bridge rectifiers should be enough. Click to enlarge.

 

 

whole board

 

Dale H

 

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