Skip to main content

It was suggested I create a different topic on this so it doesn't get lost in the back and forth of the Base3 announcement

With the recent Base3 announcement, it was stated that the following products would be changed/discontinued:

Okay, st the statement says  "Base3/Cab3 item will provide consumers with equal and/or improved functionality of the previous Lionel offerings".  How does Base3/Cab3 replace/improve the IRV2?  This needs to be clarified.

IRV2 literally just came out so component obsolescence makes no sense. It arrived at the beginning of COVID so it may have gotten lost in the shuffle as far as new products go.  Is there some component in here that is already obsolete?  There are a multitude of component issues for Legacy Base and Cab2 that I understand.  This one is a major head scratcher.

I for one love the IRV2 and planned wide use of it.  I don't see how it can't exist in the Base3 world.

Dave?

Attachments

Images (1)
  • mceclip0
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

You got me, I'm buying an extra IRV2 and a couple extra sled kits so I have enough for my layout.

I think Lionel is counting on the Fastrack sensor track, I guess they don't recognize that a lot of us don't use Fastrack because we can't hold a conversation next to the layout and run trains.

I maybe off the mark here but I still think this was one that everyone requested and when finally produced those who said they'd buy 'em never did.  It could very well have been not worth the cost.  Again I maybe off base.  Only Lionel knows for sure.

I scooped up several IRV2 kits and extra sensor sled kits for myself and a friend over the weekend after seeing the product cancellations.   I had previously modified the original FasTrack SensorTrack but when Lionel announced the IRV2 I decided to go with those as I use Gargraves track and Ross switches.  Wonder how many of these Lionel still has in the warehouse?  I know a few large clubs that have installed these and were planning on getting more.  

@MartyE posted:

I thought it was odd that they were discontinue as well.  I have to believe lack of sales, nobody wants one until they say they won't make 'em, was possibly behind this. Maybe there is a new item coming out?   

We can guess all day long or put up the @Dave Olson signal and maybe he might chime in...

Batsignal

I emailed him and no response.  Most times if he responds within minutes it's something he can talk about.  Other times if I don't hear from him, it's something he feels he shouldn't talk about.  Just a guess here.   I'll ask if I see them at the Amherst show.

This is very sad to hear. I got to be for our clubs new layout and just such a convince to be able to load the engine info. I have one at home too hopefully it works, I use a Fastrack one on a test track and it’s great to be able to see all the additional information. I’d love to be able to see that on a Cab3 app if I got it.

Frankly I think we deserve an explanation on this, they decide to go this route instead of the orange memory module (witch I actually do like, once it’s implemented on a layout) but now decided in what 1 production run they aren’t feasible anymore? It’s crazy.

Now not saying I want this but if you look at it you really get a bang for you buck with the IRV2 frankly that so much so that I could understand a price increase if absolutely necessary. (Frankly considering the few parts and that the engineering is done I don’t know why a increase would be necessary)

First, electronics cost exploded on these. What a crazy market right now..

Second, not enough people bought them. I understand the "wait and see" and "sit on the fence" mentality. I've done it plenty. But sometimes that forces a business' hand.

They may come back in the future if electronics costs go down. We still have the FasTrack version of the sensor and all Legacy engines will still continue to get the sensor as well.

@Dave Olson posted:

First, electronics cost exploded on these. What a crazy market right now..

Second, not enough people bought them. I understand the "wait and see" and "sit on the fence" mentality. I've done it plenty. But sometimes that forces a business' hand.

They may come back in the future if electronics costs go down. We still have the FasTrack version of the sensor and all Legacy engines will still continue to get the sensor as well.

Well, there you have it.  I have to say, I've seen component costs go crazy as well, so it's not that surprising.  I'm a little confused about the Fastrack version still being around, maybe you could at least make the expansion sleds for those of us that did actually buy them. 

I'm primarily a DCS guy but I also have Cab 2 Legacy.   My layout is Ross track.  It think the sensor track is a big difference between DCS and Legacy.  IMHO, there was not enough advertising on how the Sensor Tracks can be used.   Also, the setup sounds daunting.   I own a couple of IRV2 and sleds and the boxcar.  I don't have any Legacy engines but for me the Sensor Track is a big inducement to purchase Legacy engines.    I vote for bring back the IRV2 and sleds and improve the marketing.

I get the cost has gone up on things but it did not stop them from jacking the prices up on the rest of their products and considering the low quantities the stores had on this stuff and lack of stock in the Warehouse. I have a hard time believing low sales and also find it hard to believe they sell more of the fasttrack version.

I second what @shorling said although I am active in both systems I am just now at the point of pulling the trigger on the layout and am now needing these. Plus I just did a lot of homework and figured out how useful this is now the discontinued notice has come to light and really had no clue of the functionality or existance. So marketing was done it looks like to me in 2018 but no hype or mention since then. Demo with Dave @Dave Olson has the perfect opportunity to hype this kind of stuff when calling out new engine feature to keep it relative.

Last edited by Shawn_Chronister
@shorling posted:

I'm primarily a DCS guy but I also have Cab 2 Legacy.   My layout is Ross track.  It think the sensor track is a big difference between DCS and Legacy.  IMHO, there was not enough advertising on how the Sensor Tracks can be used.   Also, the setup sounds daunting.   I own a couple of IRV2 and sleds and the boxcar.  I don't have any Legacy engines but for me the Sensor Track is a big inducement to purchase Legacy engines.    I vote for bring back the IRV2 and sleds and improve the marketing.

I agree 100%.  The whole LCS system wasn't marketed well at all!  I have a few sensor cars that I bought for peanuts when people couldn't figure out what they might do with them.  I paid less than the MSRP of a plain boxcar for them, so it seemed like a no-brainer.  The whole LCS system has great promise, but it needs a little TLC.

I agree 100%.  The whole LCS system wasn't marketed well at all!  I have a few sensor cars that I bought for peanuts when people couldn't figure out what they might do with them.  I paid less than the MSRP of a plain boxcar for them, so it seemed like a no-brainer.  The whole LCS system has great promise, but it needs a little TLC.

Dave tried at York a couple of times to display all the LCS modules with a podium display but shortly after they started bringing a limited amount of people, stopped coming in April, and, well the pandemic hit.  I do agree the LCS system needs some love from Lionel for promoting and explaining.  We did our best in the Legacy meetings but again twice a year doesn't really help.

I remember the Lionel display, but as I recall there wasn't much actually happening on the display.  I'd like to see some improvements in the iPad interface, not to mention an Android version of the app.  With all the talk about various layout automation schemes, Lionel should be in a unique position to really make a dent in the market with an improved LCS.

Actually, the most TLC it received was in the LUG meetings, that's where I got on-board and interested.

@MartyE posted:

Dave tried at York a couple of times to display all the LCS modules with a podium display but shortly after they started bringing a limited amount of people, stopped coming in April, and, well the pandemic hit.  I do agree the LCS system needs some love from Lionel for promoting and explaining.  We did our best in the Legacy meetings but again twice a year doesn't really help.

I have been unable to attend York due to conflicts with work and family issues so I have not attended since way before 2017 so not even LUG would have helped me sorry to say. I am hoping to get back soon.

Actually, the most TLC it received was in the LUG meetings, that's where I got on-board and interested.

Thanks.  We tried to do what we could.  Unfortunately we have limited time and a lot to cover depending on what Lionel introduces.  I'm guessing the next "real" meeting in the fall maybe interesting.  If we get the room in April maybe we can do some review.

If the meet chairman ever gets back to me we'll see if we can get these in gear again.  Might be time to ding him again.

@MartyE posted:

Dave tried at York a couple of times to display all the LCS modules with a podium display but shortly after they started bringing a limited amount of people, stopped coming in April, and, well the pandemic hit.  I do agree the LCS system needs some love from Lionel for promoting and explaining.  We did our best in the Legacy meetings but again twice a year doesn't really help.

I always thought that Lionel could easily incorporate the various LCS modules into the existing layout.  Have a large screen mirroring an iPad that is using LCS.  Do nothing but let an engine run the layout that would trigger a couple of switches, fire a sensor track with info, etc.  People IMO would get interested when they see the display changes when a switch is thrown or when an engine goes over a sensor track and IDs itself and shows direction of travel.  Even maybe make a recording from a second sensor track for a few animated accessories.

The screen would show whats happening and I think folks would start asking questions.  This is a bit of what Dave had going but I don't recall there being a screen for people to see or any switches. Maybe an upgrade for the LCS podium.  The LCS app is pretty cool and makes firing switch, accessories, and toggling blocks much easier.

@MartyE posted:

I always thought that Lionel could easily incorporate the various LCS modules into the existing layout.  Have a large screen mirroring an iPad that is using LCS.  Do nothing but let an engine run the layout that would trigger a couple of switches, fire a sensor track with info, etc.  People IMO would get interested when they see the display changes when a switch is thrown or when an engine goes over a sensor track and IDs itself and shows direction of travel.  Even maybe make a recording from a second sensor track for a few animated accessories.

The screen would show whats happening and I think folks would start asking questions.  This is a bit of what Dave had going but I don't recall there being a screen for people to see or any switches. Maybe an upgrade for the LCS podium.  The LCS app is pretty cool and makes firing switch, accessories, and toggling blocks much easier.

Marty I agree with this and you know @Dave Olson Does Demo's with Dave and I watch those and he gets pretty good turn out from what I have seen and could very easily covered this on his show. Like I said I had no real knowledge of the function or availability until this notice and maybe this is my fault for not being able to attend York. I had a glimpse of LCS but until @gunrunnerjohn mentioned the LSC and DZ2500 issues I had no real knowledge of it either. The most I knew was to get the LCS wifi module to run trains on an ipad which I was planning for just to cover all bases and realized I already had one my VL BB.

@Dave Olson posted:

First, electronics cost exploded on these. What a crazy market right now..

Second, not enough people bought them. I understand the "wait and see" and "sit on the fence" mentality. I've done it plenty. But sometimes that forces a business' hand.

They may come back in the future if electronics costs go down. We still have the FasTrack version of the sensor and all Legacy engines will still continue to get the sensor as well.

Thanks for the Info Dave. That’s Crazy component prices went up that much. Then again I get at minimum 10% price increases at work every 3-6 months now in new equipment.  

I really hope Lionel is able to offer this again. I really thought the restricted cable length was going to limit it’s use but in our clubs case it worked out very well.

For the limited cable length, I just bought a couple of the IRV2 boxes.  A longer cable from the junction box would be useful, but I figured I'd live with what was provided.

I actually splice the cable and created 9 ft runs that have worked fine since installed in 2020.  Still in place and work great.  I don't know anything about the operational environment that Dave reported had interference but mine is fine with those runs.  Something to consider at least as a test for yourself.

@LionelAG posted:

I actually splice the cable and created 9 ft runs that have worked fine since installed in 2020.  Still in place and work great.  I don't know anything about the operational environment that Dave reported had interference but mine is fine with those runs.  Something to consider at least as a test for yourself.

I considered that, and I'll do it if I need to.  I figured out routing for all the cables to locate the IRV2 boxes where I wanted the sleds installed.

Add Reply

Post
This forum is sponsored by Lionel, LLC
OGR Publishing, Inc., 1310 Eastside Centre Ct, Suite 6, Mountain Home, AR 72653
330-757-3020

www.ogaugerr.com
×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×