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I recently bought a mainly displayed, seldom run PS 3.0 Aero train set with five additional coaches from a forum member. When it arrived without the engine front truck wheel frame covers shown in the photo above I called Midge at MTH parts and ordered a pair. When I asked her she said she believed they just snapped onto the side frames.

I received them today (pictured below) without instructions on how to install and attach them but it appears they don't snap on as Midge said but instead must be screwed into place.

I checked the engine's manual and also online at MTH for either instructions or an installation diagram about attaching these wheel covers but couldn't find either. Was there an addendum I didn't receive which  was included with Aero train sets explaining how to mount these wheel covers? If such an addendum of mounting instructions or a mounting diagram exists would someone post it here or explain how to attache these covers?

Looking at the photos below showing the left side cover it looks like it might be screwed onto the top of the wheel frame? (I'm thinking this because of the apparent screw holes located on the top of the fender skirt.) If these skirts are screwed onto the trucks, how do I access the top of the front wheel truck to attach the fender skirt? Should I remove the engine shell? Advice on how to attach these truck frame covers is definitely needed.

Btw, if they're screwed on, are the screws required for attaching them already in place on the engine's front wheel truck or are they extra screws Midge should have also had me order?20200129_13453920200129_13463020200129_134716 Any assistance in explaining how to install these is greatly appreciated.

ogaugeguy

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I hope they look good when you figure it out.  You’ve been focused for sure.

Look at the top of the truck.  It looks like they screw on.  You may need to do a little dissection.  My set comes in tomorrow.  I may know more after I get it.  FWIW, I like the detail of the trucks.  The 3rd rail skirts look good on my E5s, but look bulky on a streamliner.   My opinion, not gospel.

Bryant

TCA 18-73717

Do you know the item number? Originally MTH side frames were attached at the top which required disassembly to change tires, later ones have the screws going in from the underside. A quick look at yours will show you which type.  IIRC the MTH Burlington Zephyr had snap in skirts.


BobbyD posted:

Do you know the item number? Originally MTH side frames were attached at the top which required disassembly to change tires, later ones have the screws going in from the underside. A quick look at yours will show you which type.  IIRC the MTH Burlington Zephyr had snap in skirts.

I'd have to check MTH's product locator for the item number since the set was bought without boxes. It is the PS 3.0 Union Pacific City of Las Vegas version which I recall as being released in either 2015, '16, or '17.

ogaugeguy

LCCA


 




They screw onto the top of the existing sideframes.  There are four flat head screws that should come with them to attach them (two for each side).  I put a set on one of mine, but it hits the shell, so they'll have to be "adjusted" before they can be used.

You don't have to take the trucks off, just swivel them out and plop the skirts on and screw them down.

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They screw onto the top of the existing sideframes.  There are four flat head screws that should come with them to attach them (two for each side).  I put a set on one of mine, but it hits the shell, so they'll have to be "adjusted" before they can be used.

You don't have to take the trucks off, just swivel them out and plop the skirts on and screw them down.

Thank you for the reply. John. As always, you are spot on.

I checked the truck for the holes to mount the truck skirts. They are there and line up perfectly with the skirts I ordered. Unfortunately there aren't screws already in those holes so, until I can get those four necessary flathead screws I can't mount the skirts.

I just called Midge W. at MTH parts and service to inquire about these needed screws. My call went to voicemail so I left a message explaining my dilemma.

Hopefully Midge will call with a solution to my predicament so I "won't be screwed".

ogaugeguy

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gunrunnerjohn posted:

Let me look in my parts box, I may have the right sized screws.  Obviously, I don't want to send the ones that go with my skirts!

Thank you, John.

By cross referencing the Aero train parts list you so generously provided earlier with MTH's online product locator I tracked down the screw's item number, cost, description, and photo if it.

It's a 4/40 × 6.0mm  flathead screw costing 25 cents with the item number IA- 0000038

Btw, I recall the MTH invoice that packed with the skirts I ordered has the part numbers you'd asked about earlier. I'll check it and  mtf pm you those numbers.

Again, GRJ, thanks for all you contribute to us O gauge hobbyists on the various forums you belong to. Your sharing is so very helpful and greatly appreciated! 

ogaugeguy

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gunrunnerjohn posted:

Hmm...  The screws I have are most certainly not 4-40 screws, they're metric 2.6mm.  That's what the sideframes on the early PS/3 version have, I have to dig out the earlier PS/2 one to see if it's different.

John, thanks for checking. The good news is Midge just returned my call, appologized for the screw mixup / omission and said she'd be sending me those 4 screws.

Such a quick response by Midge. From my perspective, how she's resolved my situation has solidly reinforced my positive opinion of MTH. 

ogaugeguy

LCCA


 




So Bryant, have you had an opportunity to unbox and run your new Aero train set yet? If you so, has it met your expectations so far?

Btw, did you also get extra coaches to run with it?  I'm asking because I'm curious whether MTH addressed the concerns voiced by numerous owners of previous Aero train versions regarding the engine's difficulty pulling more than four coaches and made modifications and changes improving this new version so it effortlessly pulls proto typically long consists of six or more coaches.

Have fun running it and if you have the time please share your impressions of your set and possibly post a review or video of it. 

ogaugeguy

LCCA


 





gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'll be amazed if they did anything but re-release the PS/3 version.  I can't see them investing in new designs at this stage of the game.

Most definitely not new design tooling, John. but by modification I was thinking about MTH adding heft to the engine with a weighted yoke inside the shell like some HO and N gauge engines have. (You and some others have mentioned adding weight to your engines improved the draw bar pull.)

Also, something else I forgot to ask Bryan, but I hope he reads this post and chimes in, is what type of lighting the new coaches have. Product description just mentions "interior lighting" but I'm curious if MTH has switched from incandescent to led lighting for this new batch of coaches. I'm thinking they haven't or it would be listed for the set.

ogaugeguy

LCCA


 




ogaugeguy posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'll be amazed if they did anything but re-release the PS/3 version.  I can't see them investing in new designs at this stage of the game.

Most definitely not new design tooling, John. but by modification I was thinking about MTH adding heft to the engine with a weighted yoke inside the shell like some HO and N gauge engines have. (You and some others have mentioned adding weight to your engines improved the draw bar pull.)

Also, something else I forgot to ask Bryan, but I hope he reads this post and chimes in, is what type of lighting the new coaches have. Product description just mentions "interior lighting" but I'm curious if MTH has switched from incadescent to led lighting for this new batch of coaches. I'm thinking they haven't or it would be listed for the set.

 

 

 

 

Incandescent for sure.  Engine is light In weight as anything.  Might pull 4 cars as is.  Definitely needs weight.  I purchased the set plus 3 add-ons.  No numbers on the add-one from last run.  That was good.  I will look at Johns topic on weight.

Also, if you take shell off the last car (to add people), good luck clearing the taillights when reassembling.  Take your time and fiddle with it.  Takes about 1/2 hour of patience.

Skirts went on well, after loosening the truck a bit.  Not much, but the screw doesn’t quite line up to go in straight.  No need to loosen all the way.  Just about 5-6 turns.

Great PFA compared to others.  Lots of dialog.

Bryant

TCA 18-73717

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
ogaugeguy posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'll be amazed if they did anything but re-release the PS/3 version.  I can't see them investing in new designs at this stage of the game.

Most definitely not new design tooling, John. but by modification I was thinking about MTH adding heft to the engine with a weighted yoke inside the shell like some HO and N gauge engines have. (You and some others have mentioned adding weight to your engines improved the draw bar pull.)

Also, something else I forgot to ask Bryan, but I hope he reads this post and chimes in, is what type of lighting the new coaches have. Product description just mentions "interior lighting" but I'm curious if MTH has switched from incadescent to led lighting for this new batch of coaches. I'm thinking they haven't or it would be listed for the set.

 

 

 

 

Incandescent for sure.  Engine is light In weight as anything.  Might pull 4 cars as is.  Definitely needs weight.  I purchased the set plus 3 add-ons.  No numbers on the add-one from last run.  That was good.  I will look at Johns topic on weight.

Also, if you take shell off the last car (to add people), good luck clearing the taillights when reassembling.  Take your time and fiddle with it.  Takes about 1/2 hour of patience.

Skirts went on well, after loosening the truck a bit.  Not much, but the screw doesn’t quite line up to go in straight.  No need to loosen all the way.  Just about 5-6 turns.

Great PFA compared to others.  Lots of dialog.

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:
ogaugeguy posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'll be amazed if they did anything but re-release the PS/3 version.  I can't see them investing in new designs at this stage of the game.

Most definitely not new design tooling, John. but by modification I was thinking about MTH adding heft to the engine with a weighted yoke inside the shell like some HO and N gauge engines have. (You and some others have mentioned adding weight to your engines improved the draw bar pull.)

Also, something else I forgot to ask Bryan, but I hope he reads this post and chimes in, is what type of lighting the new coaches have. Product description just mentions "interior lighting" but I'm curious if MTH has switched from incadescent to led lighting for this new batch of coaches. I'm thinking they haven't or it would be listed for the set.

 

 

 

 

Incandescent for sure.  Engine is light In weight as anything.  Might pull 4 cars as is.  Definitely needs weight.  I purchased the set plus 3 add-ons.  No numbers on the add-one from last run.  That was good.  I will look at Johns topic on weight.

Also, if you take shell off the last car (to add people), good luck clearing the taillights when reassembling.  Take your time and fiddle with it.  Takes about 1/2 hour of patience.

Skirts went on well, after loosening the truck a bit.  Not much, but the screw doesn’t quite line up to go in straight.  No need to loosen all the way.  Just about 5-6 turns.

Great PFA compared to others.  Lots of dialog.

Good to hear you had no major obstacles mounting the truck skirts Bryant. How did you go about loosening the trucks to get to that one screw? Did you have to remove engine shell?

Also any tip on finessing the shell of the last car back into place because of the tail lights? Was there difficulty removing it?

It's regrettable MTH didn't react to the lack of weight concerns many of us have and in some way add weight to the engine.

Oh well, it is what it is, Bryant. Enjoy your Aero train and please keep us updated how you added weight to the engine and how well it then worked for you.

Btw, have you added passengers to all the cars? What company's figures did you use and was trimming needed to make them fit properly? I'm asking because video and photos I've seen of some populated coaches  have figures whose tops of heads are ABOVE the top of the coach windows. Attached are photos of Aero train coach interiors showing how high passengers actually sat in those coach cars. 

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Bottom of the truck has 1 screw.  If you loose it, it will start to separate the motor from the truck.  The gap created will allow you to tighten the skirt screw.  If you loosen the screw too much, you will have to reattach the motor/truck.  Goes without saying, the shell would need to come off.  

Lionel figures for 21” cars are perfect.  Don’t have item number handy.  No cutting.  Heads are in a good spot.

The rear lights hurt the clearance to easily remove and install last car shell/chassis.  A butter knife worked for me to tweak the clearance.  Just requires time and make sure the lights stay snug in the holes.

Weights go in Friday.  Will advise.

Bryant

TCA 18-73717

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

Bottom of the truck has 1 screw.  If you loose it, it will start to separate the motor from the truck.  The gap created will allow you to tighten the skirt screw.  If you loosen the screw too much, you will have to reattach the motor/truck.  Goes without saying, the shell would need to come off.  

Lionel figures for 21” cars are perfect.  Don’t have item number handy.  No cutting.  Heads are in a good spot.

The rear lights hurt the clearance to easily remove and install last car shell/chassis.  A butter knife worked for me to tweak the clearance.  Just requires time and make sure the lights stay snug in the holes.

Weights go in Friday.  Will advise.

Yeah. I like those Lionel figures too! Btw, Bryant, when you opened the coaches to install the passengers, did you convert the coaches from incandescent to LED lighting?

Since I have the same weights you're going to use, I'll be waiting to hear and see where you put them and how they improve the engine's pulling performance. (Having purchased five extra coaches for my set, I hope the pulling power improves.)

ogaugeguy

LCCA


 




Midge from MTH's parts left a phone message Thursday that she'd located four screws for the skirts,, tried them on an AeroTrain and that they fit perfectly and would mail them yesterday. Looking forward to their arrival so I can finally affix wheel skirts and move on to adding weight to engine to improve it's anemic draw bar pull.

ogaugeguy

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