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I spend all my time converting, working on, and fixing stuff. It wrecks the hobby for me lately. I'm just running out of energy. I spent a lot of time converting an older 3rd rail car to 2 rail. I upgrade the lights inside to LED while I'm in there. I get the thing together and there's a dead short? I tested it on my bench before and it was fine. On the track it's a dead short and I got mad at it now. So back to the bench to find out what's wrong. Well I'll be darned!

 One wheel set has no insulator at all! Don't know how I missed that? I bought these wheels direct from 3rd rail. They have pointed axles and only one wheel is insulated....well is supposed to be. I actually need blunt end axles and I'm mad at myself for trying to use these anyways. With all the time and energy spent, there's always more needed!

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I was going to give changing the 3rail axles on my CSX GP38-2 over to 2 rail,but don't think I got the patience & am sure I don't have the no how to do it.

Nice layout you have what I can see in the photos,though,nice twin stacks too.

I've found you just have to walk away from things when it gets too frustrating,been there many times.

Take care,

Al Hummel

I'm just glad U guys didn't hear me! I have some deep latin blood thing....

I hate tearing something back apart that was a bugger to do in the first place.

2 cars down (well roughly) and 6 more on deck.

Plus the rest of the Atlas pass car's lighting, plus the Weaver pass cars, plus twelve or so O scale engines, plus the grandkids stuff, plus the G scale conversions, plus the.... urrggg.

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This evening I put some air lines on a Challenger.  Under them a pole goes from the cab to the power reverser, so I rigged up the Dremel to drill a hole in the cab bulkhead.  I forgot and started the Dremel at high speed.  It could have done a great deal more damage - I got a superficial cut, a missing drill bit, and a bent pin vise.  Took a 30 minute break, then went back and finished the evening's project.

I need another Challenger about the same way I need another box car - not at all - but it is the satisfaction of creating something that does it for me.

Changing out a defective wheel set cannot be as difficult as pouring peroxide on a cut leg.

I just returned to a project I walked away from last October!  I got to the point all I did was waste time and frustrate myself- it wasn't fun anymore.

The projects can quickly overwhelm a guy.  I need more of me (workers).

I hear you about doing the same thing multiple times.  I've given up on making rods until I get better and have the proper skillset/tools.  After 5 sets that bind, I'm over it.  The old ones went back on and they'll be good enough.  I doubt anyone will notice anyhow...

Yeap! Agreed. I just had to vent here. I've already walked away from this project for several long periods so that I would be fresh on each. I figured that these cars are expensive and should get my full talent. I just have too much to do and at times, it takes away the fun.

I installed a poly fuse in the + line from the truck with the bad wheel. I can only guess that the fuse was tripped, and didn't provide a dead short when tested on the bench. As soon as the car was put onto the track, the shorted axle killed my whole layout. I took it back to the bench and this time before applying power, I used my meter to check for shorts. There was a dead short between both wheels. How did it work when tested then? Something's touching somewhere and I figured that some wire must have created a short inside while assembling the car. By blind luck, I just had the car sitting perfectly to observe that two axles on the one truck had black insulators, and one did not. But I checked the axles direction as I assembled it?

 I must have seen that the wheels on the frame wiring side didn't have insulators and must have concluded that it was installed the correct way. I didn't inspect the other side of the axles until there was this track problem. I just can't take stuff for granted and I keep failing this test.

 I do get satisfaction when I run my trains. I hate to do stuff halfway. I wanted roller bearings at each axle's ends. I wanted LED lights that don't flicker, don't draw too much, and don't get hot. I wanted cars that look and perform good. Have you ever run a train or two for company and it seems like everything goes wrong at once? I strive to make the trains dependable.

I feel your pain, Joe.

I have to have many projects on the go at once because it takes so long to get stuff.

Before you say anything - deliveries from the US are typically 10 days maximum.  It's deliveries from Sydney and Perth that take the time.  I'm still waiting for couplers I ordered from Melbourne weeks ago.

Then when you open it up, one out of ten will be wrong/broken/missing bits. 

I like to think of it as "Character Building."

I still have some bricks missing.  

Cheers

Engineer Joe,

Thanks for this post. I understand completely.

Not only do I get tired and frustrated with these projects ,I make a huge mess everywhere in the train room when I've got projects going on. I get so upset that to calm down I have to walk away for the day and have a stiff drink or two, or three.

I'm glad others share the same frustrations, I thought I was just dumb and incompetent.

Now, thanks to ya'll we know we are all quite normal.

Best Regards,

Ron 

Alan Hummel posted:

Mike G,

No all that needs to be done is replace the axles. But like the problem Joe's having,they have insulators at just certain areas that I don't see according to the pic's on the internet. But thank you for wanting to help,that's much appreciated.

Al Hummel

Hi Al, Where did you find the pic's on the axles replacement? I have been looking and everything I found just shows swapping the whole truck. I am in the same boat, but going from 2 rail to 3 rail.

Hobbies are supposed to be relaxing and fun. If it becomes like a job then its time to change the schedule and step back. My secret is to work on the layout until I tire of it. Sometimes this means a few days or a week off before I get back to the projects again. As my layout nears completion, I look back at the 1000's of hours put into it and appreciate the fun of building it all. Now that most of the work has been completed and building goals have been accomplished,  it often feels like a letdown but maintenance, repair, modifications, additions and wiring still keep me busy. Heck, you've got to have something to keep busy with on those cold snowy winter days.

Joe,

   Just remember buddy this is suppose to be fun, take your time, use your Brain Power and accomplish a little at at time.  I have to remind myself that these are toys and not everything comes perfect, right out of the box.  I do understand how frustrating it can be to get something brand new, and it's not made correctly.  Got to say I liked it a lot better when everything was American made, by tradesmen who had a lot of pride in their work.  

PCRR/Dave

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Mike g:

Mike it was on the Internet somewhere,wish I could help with where. I threw in on the address bar, MTH 3 rail to 2 rail axle replacements many times & after much garbage,came up with a great picture&explanation. I think to get it right,I may see if Mr. Muffins trains have the replacements in stock & ship my diesel to him as he'll do that as he did it on my SD40-2.

Hope this helps.

Al Hummel

 

Some days are worth no more than putting a fire into the fireplace, sitting in the recliner, reading a book, and watching the snow fall.

Knowing which those are vs. pounding your head against a wall will come with age and experience.

BTW, safety tip for the day: Always bend your knees when pounding your head against the wall.

Clem K:

I'm trying to convert a 3rail to 2rail&Mike's going 2-3rail. I'm looking at doing an MTH GP38-2.

 AGRA Matt had a video out there for me in 2015,but I couldn't upload it. I'm thinking it was  this gentleman,can see his face but can't find his name for which I ask his forgiveness for wrong spelling as I feel I misspelled.

Al Hummel

Mike G:

Was just thinking. Since you're going 3 rail & I'm converting 3 rail items to 2 rail,much like Joe,only I'm looking to change out 100 ton wheelsets & couplers in 3 rail & replace them with 2rail,could you use any of my 3rail 100 ton wheelsets w/couplers? I'd be willing for trades or would sell them to you at a discounted price depending on age & use. maybe you have all you need,but thought we might be able to help each other out.

Thank you,

Al Hummel

mwb posted:

Some days are worth no more than putting a fire into the fireplace, sitting in the recliner, reading a book, and watching the snow fall.

Knowing which those are vs. pounding your head against a wall will come with age and experience.

BTW, safety tip for the day: Always bend your knees when pounding your head against the wall.

Truer words have never been spoken; personally, that's what I like about beating my head on the wall: it feels so  #$%^&*(!  good when I stop.

Engineer Joe, I know how you feel. Between doing MTH and postwar Lionel and American Flyer repairs, I am often reminded of a mechanic/owner of a Sunoco station repair shop, when things were being like what you described he would say, "I don't mind trying, but I hate when things try me!" I repeat this so often that my wife goes downstairs when I start. 

It's easy to see a post and say that a shorted axle is no big deal. It's tougher to realize what the person went thru just to get the car back together after upgrading the lighting, power pick-ups, converting to 2 rail with axles and couplers, etc.

 You can't touch the inside of the windows or for the rest of the car's life you'll see the finger prints! You glue some people inside with the tables but after flipping the car and wrestling with the trucks, you hear that dreaded rattling inside the car. After several attempts of the car coming apart, you notice your wires are now visible in the side windows. So do U take it apart again?

Yes, if it bothers me.  My Seaboard Mountain got three boilers before I got the correct contour.  Ditto with my second Harriman ten-wheeler.   The semi-scratch Challenger I started on this forum got its firebox replaced three times.  Just could not get it right. 

There is plenty of ready-to-run 2-rail stuff on the market, for those who hate to rework stuff.

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