I found a great battery to fit in small engines for BPRC

That's certainly cheap for two of them with the charger!

Can you share your harness setup and were you put your charger plug?

@Bill Grafmiller posted:

Can you share your harness setup and were you put your charger plug?

Didn't get that far yet bill.  Still not sure if I will mount stuff on the frame or in the shell.

However the on/off switch and charge plus will be accessible here.

Ron

Very interested in this battery. I have 2 switchers that I would love to do the same. Ron would this battery be good candidate for a 44 toner ? It looks like the charging jack is going to be hard to disguise unless you can put it along side switch.

Also some times price scares me. Do you have any information on quality? 

@Bill Grafmiller posted:

Very interested in this battery. I have 2 switchers that I would love to do the same. Ron would this battery be good candidate for a 44 toner ? It looks like the charging jack is going to be hard to disguise unless you can put it along side switch.

Bill,

I have not looked into use on the 44 toner, but since I have 2, I might.  I agree the bulky charge cable could be an issue.

@Bill Grafmiller posted:

Also some times price scares me. Do you have any information on quality?

No more information than the reviews on Amazon.  80% of the reviews are 4/5 Stars.

A few of the 1 stars had some failure issues.  Bad battery?  Incompatible with product?  Misuse?  I don't know.  I can tell you that I have used it twice and charged it twice.  I treat it like a LiPo and only charge when I'm present.

After almost 2 hours of run time the battery was cool to the touch.  Not even warm.  Same after a charge session.

But you have to make the best decision for you and be comfortable with it.

Ron

I text MTO batteries to see if they can make the same size to install in smaller diesel engines.  Gave them information on size from the Amazon web sight you provided. They said they can build in house any size. I also mentioned that I felt there were folks in deadrail / Battery powered  that would be interested in this size. Of course price is a issue. Waiting for their reply.

I text MTO on making a battery to fit smaller engines . Gave them the Amazon details. They said they went to the Amazon site and that is a LiPro battery and they do not make that type , but if I could give them the dimensions of what would be a good fit they could build it ,  turn time is  5 to 7 days. I was wondering if you out there who are deadrail / Battery  power would give me some dimensions that would work for your smaller diesel.  Remember your system boards and wiring needs also for a. Good fit. I will collect the info and send them the information. I will see if they would build and have in there product line up.

It would be interesting to understand how someone can look at a picture and description of a battery that clearly says Li-Ion and determine the chemistry is Li-Po.

I'm not a battery expert, but the LiPos I'm used to seeing are rectangular, not round.

Ron

I don't  know that's what they text me. I think it also says Li-PO on the description .

Now that I went back and looked it said lithium. Not sure where they got Li-Po . I will text them and see what they say.

Just received  a reply from MTO batteries on difference in lithium.

Lithium is a very generic phrase and can encompass many different variants of lithium batteries.  The ones on Amazon  are definitely Lithium polymer. We know this based on their physical size as it is not a standard size for Lithium ion cylindrical cells  like we would use. Lithium polymer is cheaper to manufacture and does not have as long of lifespan.

Still not believing Bill... Sorry.

@Ron045 posted:

Didn't get that far yet bill.  Still not sure if I will mount stuff on the frame or in the shell.

However the on/off switch and charge plus will be accessible here.

Ron

Ron did you complete conversion? Like to see final outcome.

Yes and no.  I actually did finish the install of lights, switch and charge port.  Then disaster hit and I had to repaint.

In this 1st pic, you will see the "Y" in Company came off.  It happened I guess while handing installing the lights and switch.  This was strange because I clear coated the model with Tru Color Clear.

So, I added another Y and decided to give the engine a generous coat of clear using Krylon Colormaxx Clear.

WARNING!!! DO NOT EVER USE KRYLON COLORMAX CLEAR ON DECALS.  For myself, I will never use anything but model paints from now on.

The Krylon went through the clear coat and ate the decals.

I ruined the paint trying to remove the decals.  So, I gave it an alcohol bath and started over.

So now this is where I'm at.  Primer and a thin coat of silver for the stripe.  At least I'll get the stripe correct the first time.  Those following a different thread on the subject will recall my stripe dilemma.

When will I learn, short cuts are never short.

Ron

@Ron045 posted:

…When will I learn, short cuts are never short.

The same could be said when adding photos to a post

@Ron045 posted:

Ahhh.... What?  My post and your reply have pictures.  Maybe clear your cache or something.

That’s because the images reside on your system (including the one in my reply). You probably dragged and dropped the images or used some other method (shortcut) besides the one that Rich Melvin has outlined in his post linked in my previous reply. I’ll bet no one else who views your post can see those images, either.

@Training Wheels posted:

That’s because the images reside on your system (including the one in my reply). You probably dragged and dropped the images or used some other method (shortcut) besides the one that Rich Melvin has outlined in his post linked in my previous reply. I’ll bet no one else who views your post can see those images, either.

Fixed... Where were you when I had the Kyrlon in my hand?

@Bill Grafmiller posted:

Very interested in this battery. I have 2 switchers that I would love to do the same. Ron would this battery be good candidate for a 44 toner ? It looks like the charging jack is going to be hard to disguise unless you can put it along side switch.

I had to open up my 44 tonner to replace a light.  There is no way this battery is going in the MTH 44 tonner.

I went into the website of your friend at GSI it's a new website. Looks to me he has a few new batteries.  I might be wrong on that. I emailed him to see if he had any information that I could transfer a battery from my tender into the NW2 legacy switcher. I think I could do it with my NW2 lionchief I never put a railpro module in it so I would like to also strip it out and see if the battery and module would fit. I was hoping that your new battery would work in a 44 tonner.

@Bill Grafmiller posted:

Ron did you complete conversion? Like to see final outcome.

Ron . Did you get the conversion done? Like to see some pictures.

@Bill Grafmiller posted:

Ron . Did you get the conversion done? Like to see some pictures.

Sure did... Making a video now.  Here are two photos for a sneak peek.  I tried to put the Blunami in the cab which is plastic.  I could not get the shell to sit right on the frame.  So I had to move it to the hood which is metal.  So far no operating or connectivity concerns on my 15' x 33' layout

The 2200 is mounted to a piece of styrene to keep off the metal hood.  I made my speaker and power wires detachable so I could remove the hood from the frame for maintenance.

The battery is in the hood also.  Charge port and on/off switch are accessible through a removable smokestack hatch.

vr
Ron

Ron . Pictures didn't print. Just a square stating image not found.

They came up @Ron045 I think they were slow to appear once you posted.

Great job of getting things to fit in there. Kind of makes me want to try converting my conventional 0-6-0T's.

Ron . Yup the pictures are there. Must have been delayed reaction

Looks like a winner. I will be looking forward to see your video.

Those batteries you purchased on Amazon any concerns ? Looking to try them on my switcher.

So far, I like it.   May not be the strongest puller, but it's a switcher.

Hey @Ron045, if I wire the two airsoft batteries in parallel, will I get roughly 2X the run time? That would be decent for 2 motor GPs locos, I think.  Also, do you (or anyone here) know if a pair of these wired in parallel can be charged together via one charger?  And will the usb based charger included work for this?

Thanks in advance!

i've been bit by the deadrail bug... enough to play around at least!

Wiring rechargeable batteries in parallel is not a good practice.