I put a Lionel LCRU and later a Electric RR TMCC unit inside the belly of an F3 with horizontal motors. I used a piece of K&S brass to make a plate to hold the unit and the Run/Program switch. The plate screwed into the holes for the horn relay assembly. You open the battery door to get at the switch. Then I installed an LCRX (probably a Mini-Commander could take its place) to handle the highlight and coil coupler in the dummy, and set both to the same address. I added a second set of rollers to the rear powered truck. I think the engine started as a 2333 with single motor, but I added a second one. Do not drop it on your toes.
The TMCC solution still works in conventional mode too. Not sure if the Electric RR unit has a way to open the coil coupler in conventional mode.
Nope, only command mode.quote:Originally posted by illinoiscentral:
Not sure if the Electric RR unit has a way to open the coil coupler in conventional mode.
Mark, Did you complete this mod and how is it running?
I looked at some Williams boards and the Full Wave Bridge is a 6 amp unit, but the complementary power transistors were rated at 10amps (D44H11 and D45H11).
It would be an easy swap to replace the FWBR with an 8 amp unit if needed. Most of the Lio/MTH units have them, and they are avail at Radio Shack. The wiring was a good gauge and would handle it. You would want to add a heat sink to the Brige if you went this route. G
I looked at some Williams boards and the Full Wave Bridge is a 6 amp unit, but the complementary power transistors were rated at 10amps (D44H11 and D45H11).
It would be an easy swap to replace the FWBR with an 8 amp unit if needed. Most of the Lio/MTH units have them, and they are avail at Radio Shack. The wiring was a good gauge and would handle it. You would want to add a heat sink to the Brige if you went this route. G
quote:Originally posted by Mark B:
What are the (2) 2-pin connectors for on each side of the motor connectors? What's the voltage on them?
The image is faded enough that I can't read the writing (or my eyesight is just lousy).
quote:Originally posted by GGG:
Dale, Is only stating a method to run an AC motor on DC, not whether the board can handle it.
If the board is rated at 4 amps, sounds like they are using the similiar TIP transitors as on the Lionel 103 E-unit. Notorious for burning up when DC cans drew too much current.
Dale, I converted some AC Alco using the Rectifier method and a Lionel 103 E-unit meant for DC motors. It works, but it is not more efficient, and you do loose top end speed from the voltage drop.
Worth doing to replace a 2 position e-unit and more children friendly. G
GGG
You can use a Lionel 105-1 electronic E-unit to replace a 2 pos. 101 e-unit on AC motors. And you don't have to add anything.
quote:Originally posted by Bob Delbridge:quote:Originally posted by Mark B:
What are the (2) 2-pin connectors for on each side of the motor connectors? What's the voltage on them?
The image is faded enough that I can't read the writing (or my eyesight is just lousy).
Bob the bottom is the AC jumper for a horn/whst board.
Not sure about the top one. G
quote:Originally posted by Lionel Parts:
GGG
You can use a Lionel 105-1 electronic E-unit to replace a 2 pos. 101 e-unit on AC motors. And you don't have to add anything.
That shows no longer available, so was it a modern AC Reverse unit? CAn you post a picture? G
GGG
The Lionel number is 6400105001 . It was used for the early AF MPC engines with AC dual motors.
It works good on the double wound field pul-more motors.
John
The Lionel number is 6400105001 . It was used for the early AF MPC engines with AC dual motors.
It works good on the double wound field pul-more motors.
John
G,
I found my installation instructions, had them in the bag with the spare traction tires.
The top plug is for slave motors if someone wants to power a dummy unit, bottom plug is for sound board.
I found my installation instructions, had them in the bag with the spare traction tires.
The top plug is for slave motors if someone wants to power a dummy unit, bottom plug is for sound board.
quote:Originally posted by Lionel Parts:
GGG
The Lionel number is 6400105001 . It was used for the early AF MPC engines with AC dual motors.
It works good on the double wound field pul-more motors.
John
This is not still in production and for sale is it?
John, Thank you for the picture. I will have to look up the wiring schematic for that one.
Where in Philly are you? I grew up in NE.
EJN, The Lio web says discontinued. They don't even show a picture. Looking at it, this is very old/early board. G
Where in Philly are you? I grew up in NE.
EJN, The Lio web says discontinued. They don't even show a picture. Looking at it, this is very old/early board. G
quote:Originally posted by Bob Delbridge:
G,
I found my installation instructions, had them in the bag with the spare traction tires.
The top plug is for slave motors if someone wants to power a dummy unit, bottom plug is for sound board.
Bob, Thanks. Do you know if it is power for the motors or just the signals for a slave board? G
From what I've read is power to the motors, but I haven't put a meter on it to see what the amount of voltage is.
Mark, any chance of getting a higher resolution scan of that board? I have one of these reverse units in my parts box, it would be nice to have instructions for it.quote:Originally posted by Mark B:
Hi guys....thnaks for all the posts! I'm attaching a picture of the Williams Reverse Board #00247. It is a 6 amp unit.
