Is On3 dead

I would say very unlikely, very very unlikely.

ON3 was very wide spread as a common carrier in the late 1870s.     Think of all the colarodo narrow gauge most famous were D&RGW and RGS.   Also the East Broad Top and the Ohio River and Western in Ohio were quite established and long running.    ON2 was only used in Maine as far as I know on a few small railroads that were common carriers.    ON2 was used a lot in industry I think. 

ON30 (2 1/2 feet) was used in industrial applications in the US, but not as a common carrier as far as I know.   I think ON30 or 750MM or 760MM (both used in Germany) were more often used as common carrier gauges in other countries including south American.

So to sum up, if you want to model a narrow gauge RR in the USA, there is much much more to choose from in ON3 than anything else.

Most On30 can be re-gauged  to On3, for cheaper rolling stock and engines.

On3 Brass still gets high prices on Ebay.

I try to buy any On3 brass under $200 I find at swap meets.

DCC electronics , can motors and sound can be added to older models.

Bachmann On30 likely saved On3 from early death.

As a 49 year old, I have been in On3 for 21 years, along with 2 rail O, On30 is a "different" scale IMO.
It offers nothing to me, all plastic, out of gauge, wrong tie spacing, if I was on a tight budget or if it was
used as part of a background scene for me I would definitely consider it, since thats not my case, it 
does not offer me any thing. I also love the fact that with scales like S, Sn3, On3 and others require
"real" modeling, not RTR or "shake" a box skills, so like nice cars and art, you learn to really appreciate
what modelers have done on their On3 layouts. ncng

Modeling Southern Pacific and Nevada County Narrow Gauge
Era 1937-1957 in 2 rail O Scale and On3. 

That's why there's room for both On3 and On30, NCNG...and both gauges together can create a bigger total market for narrow gauge related product in O scale.

As far as craftsmanship goes, that can be found in every scale/gauge  medium if you look for it.

 

Jeff C

ON30 is not a different scale.   It is a different gauge.    It is still O scale, just runs on 30 (actually 32) inch gauge  track.     I understand that Peco makes track and switches with more accurate tie spacing for 1/4 inch scale ON30 as opposed to using HO gauge track.

leikec posted:

That's why there's room for both On3 and On30, NCNG...and both gauges together can create a bigger total market for narrow gauge related product in O scale.

As far as craftsmanship goes, that can be found in every scale/gauge  medium if you look for it.

 

Jeff C

Jeff C,

Very good point and I agree, it does increase the market size for O scale narrow gauge, I have a good friend in On2,
we our both on the same page in regards to On30, and since we both love the "craftsman" side on modeling, plastic
On30 taste's like bad Whiskey! I am obviously for growing the narrow gauge market too.

Happy Easter!

ncng

Modeling Southern Pacific and Nevada County Narrow Gauge
Era 1937-1957 in 2 rail O Scale and On3. 

prrjim posted:

ON30 is not a different scale.   It is a different gauge.    It is still O scale, just runs on 30 (actually 32) inch gauge  track.     I understand that Peco makes track and switches with more accurate tie spacing for 1/4 inch scale ON30 as opposed to using HO gauge track.

Thank you my friend, I realize its all 1/4" scale, I also love the point that Jeff C made above about increasing the size of the narrow gauge market size, On30 just taste's like bad Whiskey to me.

Happy Easter!

ncng

Modeling Southern Pacific and Nevada County Narrow Gauge
Era 1937-1957 in 2 rail O Scale and On3. 

prrjim posted:

ON30 is not a different scale.   It is a different gauge.    It is still O scale, just runs on 30 (actually 32) inch gauge  track.     I understand that Peco makes track and switches with more accurate tie spacing for 1/4 inch scale ON30 as opposed to using HO gauge track.

Micro-Engineering also makes On30 track:

G&MP 4-4-0 11 05

Rusty

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I had a beautiful D&RG On3 'Mikado' with the green boiler that I intended to use on my 'regular' O gauge layout. It had so much fine detail and I must assume it was a smooth runner. I traded a 726 Berkshire + some $$ with Mike Pierce who passed away a year or two ago...

I certainly hope not as we have re-released The Russian River engine house an later this year we will be re-releasing the line of freight car. Here is a link to the engine house.

http://www.scalecitydesigns.co...ian-River_p_208.html

This was designed by the exceptional modeler Chris Comport.

http://www.scalecitydesigns.com

Formerly:  Keil-Line Products / Russian River

Scenery Details - Passenger/Freight/Diesel Details - Figures - Signals - Laser Cutting, & MUCH MORE!

wbg pete posted:

Is this layout On3 or On30?

 

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Blasphemy, Pure Blasphemy I tell ya. Pete how Dare you build such a Beautiful layout in ON30?, have you no Shame?

Doug

Yes, It IS a Choice, and one that no one else should be able to take away from you.

 

The Second Amendment protects your right to enjoy all the others

I started off in ON3 many years ago I finally switched to Standard gauge because I got sick of building everything except Locos I had no time to build a layout which annoyed me I finally did build a layout as the photos show but it took a while.

 

First photo is a mixture of everything all ON3 if you want a challenge try a Grandt Line Gondola (on right) I was only in my late 30's back then and had more patience and better sight (I think).

The second photo is ON30 (long before Bachmann) up the top with Grandt Line ore cars (another challenge) and ON3 under the ore bin.

That mine in the background was a beautiful wood kit and model, Coronado Scale models, I think lots of memories but no regrets.

Nowadays ON3 has many items that were never around 40 years ago I think you can even buy ready to run turnouts and limited Rolling Stock.

I don't think ON3 is dead.

Roo.

 

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Why did I post the photos of my layout?  

Well, if you look carefully at the photos you will see that locos and cars are a mix of "On3" and "On30" running on ME On30 track.  Why is a long story for another time.

All the On3 equipment (MMI, San Juan Car Co., AMS, etc.) has been regauged to On30

All the On30 equipment (Bachmann, BLI) has been modified with Kadee couplers at On3 height.  

Some Bachmann items look fine with On3; for example, the B'mann 2-8-0s, 4-6-0s, steel hoppers, and short 8 wheel cabooses.  In the earlier photo of the passenger train you can see the B'mann baggage car is slightly narrower, shorter, and lower than the AMS passenger cars.  The other locos and cars are too narrow and the box, stock, reefer, and watermelon cars ride too high on their trucks. Compare the height of the flat car and the two B'mann cars in the photo belowIMG_4070 [2)

A visitor looking at my layout cannot tell if the track is On3 or On30, the width difference is indiscernible to the eye. If they are familiar with On3 and On30, they will notice the mix of equipment.

Pete in Williamsburg, VA

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I still have a few pieces of On3 track in my attic. After my move I might get back in to it a little bit. I like the proportions of the car size to the track. For some years I subscribed to Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette.  Great magazine with lots of awesome layouts. On3 track seems a bit heavier than HO.

prrjim posted:

I would say very unlikely, very very unlikely.

ON3 was very wide spread as a common carrier in the late 1870s.     

I do not believe anyone was modeling On3 in 1870.....no small can motors for one thing. 

On3 is 1/4" to the foot, 1/48,  models of 1/1 scale trains running on track gauge of 3 feet. 

If there were model railroaders modeling On3, On30 or On2 in 1870 I'd love to see them!!!

 

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colorado hirailer posted:

Too bad Bachmann doesn't offer On3 versions....I would acquire some, and install an interchange. On30? Nyet!

They know their market. The whole ON30 line was started to sell with Department 56 buildings and went from there. It was only later that they realized others were buying it for other reasons and expanded the line. I never see them offering ON3 products and track.

Brian White

OK AMCDAve, you caught my mistake!     I guess  I confused everyone when I meant that 3ft gauge was common, not model gauge.      For those of you in addition to Dave who were confused by  this, I apologize.    And thanks to Dave for finding the error.

prrjim posted:

OK AMCDAve, you caught my mistake!     I guess  I confused everyone when I meant that 3ft gauge was common, not model gauge.      For those of you in addition to Dave who were confused by  this, I apologize.    And thanks to Dave for finding the error.

Wasn't trying to call you out...just trying to make it clear. 

Want real confusion explain 'G' scale and what the different sizes represent!!  Even Bachmann G is many different scales and gauges.  

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