Hello all 

Today we have a JAD   City of Portland polishing the rails ..think Lionel 752 set on steroids .....first produced in 1980  to help use up some of the unsold Hiawatha coaches .    Nose and tail sections  was designed by Jerry Brown ( builder of his own stream-liners including an up scale version of the M10000) .    The nose and tail sections are made of  Alumilite...( epoxy / plastic stuff) ...  same material John Daniels later used for casting his GG1's .  Bodies of the train are stamped metal ... all a bit of the "light " side in my opinion .   Powered by  a McCoy "super" ? motor ...not so super in my book ... the set arrived as new as could be hoped for a few weeks ago ... motor was locked up solid ..add some oil and more oil and work the wheels back and forth and rolling / running has been attained .  Motor is still far from super ...perhaps just needs more breaking in time.    Visually the set is stunning  (assuming you like the look of the M10000 and having admired the Lionel O gauge 752 set ..but wanted one in standard gauge) .  Construction on the JAD pieces  is a bit "basic " ..... works but not the quality of a Lionel  752 set . 

I believe Arno mentioned that about 25 of the M10000 sets were made by JAD .....the contractor who made the sets for JAD  went rogue  after  the initial contract and cranked out a few extra sets independently till being stopped ..so total number of these sets out there ? 

 

Please see TCA Western Division excellent website for more information at 

http://www.tcawestern.org/jad.htm

 

Last photo from Arno Baars' collection to compare the JAD  M10000 bottom shelf  ( much more toy like ) to Jerry Brown's  M10000 ..standard issue middle shelf and close to scale ( assumed 3/8" ) top shelf ...... top shelf is a very good term for Jerry Brown's work. 

 

Cheers Carey ...

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Carey,

Nice m10000!  Have fun with it.  My JAD Hiawatha (same McCoy motor, I think) was pretty stubborn/stiff when I first got it -- Arno advised me to lubricate it and run under zero load for about an hour in each direction to break it in.  I just placed in a service cradle and ran it upside down for a while. It was much more "super" after that!  

How well are the vestibules staying together on the cars?  My Hiawatha only makes a few revolutions before consistently coming apart at one section. I think the spring that holds the vestibule latch needs to exert more force. I might try stretching or replacing it -- something to tweak before running the Hiawatha again.

Rob Shaubach

Hello everyone ....  Thank you for your kind words ... how does one replace the springs ..it looks as if you need to pop rivets ?????

The springs are flimsy at best .... however I'm blessed that they have had together the times that I've run the JAD trains....Rob this motor I think is different ( smaller ) than the Hiawatha ....it is held in place buy a sliding hook ...if not secured your motor drops out .... oh the power of gravity .  

 

I'll grease her up and flip her upside down turn on the juice and walk away for awhile .

Last night got some shelves up for the stream-liners... walls are not long enough !!! 

I prefer the JAD Hiawatha with the aluminium body ......on the wall once you see a Jerry Brown  set ... the JAD COP looks like a toy ... oh that's right they are all toys...

 

Video link to the   Hiawatha chasing it's tail ... straights are coming in the next layout ...

Cheers Carey 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jTS6YKRxkIMG_6848

 

 

 

 

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Hello all....the motor may not be super ... as it is smaller ( shorter wheel base ) than what is found  in the Hiawatha ...please see photos....also a few shots of the clip on the top ..and the view of the inside showing where  the motor swings from ....note construction of nose ..a cast resin type ... nice detail ..but it's  a resin  type mixture ...IMG_6853IMG_6855IMG_6854

Cheers Carey 

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Hello everyone ....  Thank you for your kind words ... how does one replace the springs ..it looks as if you need to pop rivets ?????

The springs are flimsy at best .... however I'm blessed that they have had together the times that I've run the JAD trains....Rob this motor I think is different ( smaller ) than the Hiawatha ....it is held in place buy a sliding hook ...if not secured your motor drops out .... oh the power of gravity .  

 

I'll grease her up and flip her upside down turn on the juice and walk away for awhile .

Last night got some shelves up for the stream-liners... walls are not long enough !!! 

I prefer the JAD Hiawatha with the aluminium body ......on the wall once you see a Jerry Brown  set ... the JAD COP looks like a toy ... oh that's right they are all toys...

 

Video link to the   Hiawatha chasing it's tail ... straights are coming in the next layout ...

Cheers Carey 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jTS6YKRxkIMG_6848

 

 

 

 

Replacement of the vestibule springs is a relatively quick and easy fix, and there's no need to pop any rivets. Pretty much all you need for tools are a pair of needle-nose pliers and a small screwdriver. Here are the steps:

1: Use the screwdriver to compress the spring down and away from the "C" clip. While compressing the spring, use the pliers to remove the upper "C" clip.

 

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2: Using the pliers, remove the lower "C" clip. Once these clips are off, you can then remove the pin, spring and sliver (for lack of a better word) "dish" by sliding the pin up through the vestibule's roof. 

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3: Repeat these steps in reverse with a stronger spring. Once you put in a stronger spring, you'll see how weak the OEM springs really are. After I replaced the springs, there has been no unwanted uncoupling.  Below is a photo of all the parts after it's been taken apart. 

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Hope this helps. 

 

John

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Carey Williams posted:

Hello everyone ....  Thank you for your kind words ... how does one replace the springs ..it looks as if you need to pop rivets ?????

The springs are flimsy at best .... however I'm blessed that they have had together the times that I've run the JAD trains....Rob this motor I think is different ( smaller ) than the Hiawatha ....it is held in place buy a sliding hook ...if not secured your motor drops out .... oh the power of gravity .  

 

I'll grease her up and flip her upside down turn on the juice and walk away for awhile .

Last night got some shelves up for the stream-liners... walls are not long enough !!! 

I prefer the JAD Hiawatha with the aluminium body ......on the wall once you see a Jerry Brown  set ... the JAD COP looks like a toy ... oh that's right they are all toys...

 

Video link to the   Hiawatha chasing it's tail ... straights are coming in the next layout ...

Cheers Carey 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jTS6YKRxkIMG_6848

 

 WOW, what a great display!!!  I am Sean, the son of Richard ‘Dick’ Battaglia who was the D in JAD.

i wanted to let you know as well as others that they can contact me for any questions or just to say Hi  I was  about 7 years old when JAD was rocking and rolling and have some great memories of going to all the shows and meets back then  

I’ll put my phone number below but will spell it out so the bots won’t be able to pick it up and as I get way too many sales calls as is.  If any JAD enthusiast out there wants to contact me feel free to text me if possible prior to calling As I don’t answer unknown numbers but if you can’t text then just leave a voicemail .  Thanks again for sharing your awesome photos!

sean

area code three one zero - four eight nine - five two two five

 

 

 

 

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