Would love a LC+ 2.0 version of the Lionel F40PH with prior wiring issues corrected.
@RixTrack posted:Yes it is. That’s the point I was attempting to make. The MTH acquisitions ARE lower than many Lionel products in the same category. But, can one compare it to a steam locomotive? No, we should not as steam locomotives are more costly due to both materials and detail.
As a comparison, here are LC+ diesel prices from the last several catalogs. Note that 2018 are LC+, everything newer is LC+ 2.0.
2021 Volume 2 - LC+ 2.0 Genesis $449.99
2021 Big Book - LC+ 2.0 RS3 $374.99, and LC 2.0 GP7 $374.99
2020 Volume 2 - LC+ 2.0 GP7 $374.99
2020 Big Book - LC+ 2.0 F3AA set $699.99 (one powered, one unpowered)
2019 Volume 2 - LC+ 2.0 Lionmaster SD80MAC $449.99, LC+ 2.0 GG1 $499.99, LC+ 2.0 FT Unit AA set $549.99, powered LC+ 2.0 FT B Unit $299.99
2019 Big Book - LC+ 2.0 FT Unit AA set $549.99, powered LC+ 2.0 FT B Unit $299.99, LC+ 2.0 ET44AC $399.99
2018 Volume 2 - LC+ NW2 $319.99, LC+ FA AA set $499.99, LC+ GP7 $329.99, LC+ GP38 $349.99, LC+ $349.99
Got a couple of the catalogs in the mail this week and have had a chance to give them another run through. I may pull the trigger on the new Lion Chief Plus 2.0 Genesis. I'm a LC+ 2.0 fan and I own exactly zero Amtrak items so this would be a good way to get my feet wet. And Ro has an attractive pre-order price. 
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Don't hold your breath for new tooling!
I'd be happy to see whoever had the MTH Premier Genesis tooling making another run.
I think Atlas were the ones who acquired the scale Genesis tooling from MTH.
If Atlas makes the scale Genesis, hopefully they won't alter the tooling to make it a PITA to work on like other Atlas engines! 
I would love to get a Lionel Amtrak engine but I dont like non scale engines.
@RixTrack posted:If you look at the proportions in the real word it’s not that far off. LionChief Plus 2.0 locomotives run like legacy except for the sounds.
Here is a side-by-side comparison of a scale P42 and the Railking (now Lionel LC+2.0). There is actually a huge difference in proportions. Personally, as someone who prefers the PFA sequence on the MTH engines, $400 is not worth it for one of these LC2 models and I am happily waiting for Atlas to release some.
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Not that hard to spot the differences in size! 
@RJ I posted:Here is a side-by-side comparison of a scale P42 and the Railking (now Lionel LC+2.0). There is actually a huge difference in proportions. Personally, as someone who prefers the PFA sequence on the MTH engines, $400 is not worth it for one of these LC2 models and I am happily waiting for Atlas to release some.
Thanks for this image. I’m definitely getting the LCP 2.0. My layout is small and this will work for me.
@RJ I posted:Here is a side-by-side comparison of a scale P42 and the Railking (now Lionel LC+2.0). There is actually a huge difference in proportions. Personally, as someone who prefers the PFA sequence on the MTH engines, $400 is not worth it for one of these LC2 models and I am happily waiting for Atlas to release some.
That’s a heck of a difference. The imperial sd70/es44 are fairly close, so I expected the genesis would be as well. With that said this is still an upgrade from most of the lc+ engines.
