like to buy.Prr Turbine.

If you go to Ebay and query Sunset Models 3rd rail there is an auction for a brass Pennsy turbine.  Most don't have sound but can be upgraded.  You can also find Lionel's first ever O scale steam engine, 6-18010 steam turbine.  It is not as detailed as the brass versions and the sound effects are primitive by today's standards.  It does have 4 individual smoke generators.  If interested I will sell you mine.  You would be the 3rd owner.  Let me know. 

I have a New Old Stock never on tracks Lionel 6-8404 PRR S-2 Turbine 6-8-2 with box and paperwork $249.00 plus shipping from 44087. 

Thanks, Nick

Allegheny48 posted:

If you go to Ebay and query Sunset Models 3rd rail there is an auction for a brass Pennsy turbine.  Most don't have sound but can be upgraded.  You can also find Lionel's first ever O scale steam engine, 6-18010 steam turbine.  It is not as detailed as the brass versions and the sound effects are primitive by today's standards.  It does have 4 individual smoke generators.  If interested I will sell you mine.  You would be the 3rd owner.  Let me know. 

Thank you Mr.Allegheny48.

I will go to the query auction and take a look, I have seen the sunset models before and I do like them.

I also already own two of the 6-180 series one reading and one NYC and you are wright they don't compare

to the third rail. Thank you for your help. Mike.

bum posted:

I have a New Old Stock never on tracks Lionel 6-8404 PRR S-2 Turbine 6-8-2 with box and paperwork $249.00 plus shipping from 44087. 

Thanks, Nick

Thank you very much Mr. Nick but that's not what I need.

          Again Thank you. Mike.

I have there Sunset / 3rd rail version that I am planning do sell.

Email is in my profile is you are interested.

Thanks,

Don

Hello Mr. Jones

How much are you asking for it?

And also how would you grade it? And if you can send me a picture or two and let me see it.

          Thank you very much. Mike.

Send me an email and I will send you pictures and answer questions.

Thanks,

Don

The Sunset one is very nice.  If I ever see a 2 rail one for a reasonable price I will pick it up.

I know "PRR doesn't sell well any more" but it would be nice to see a (more) modern release with sound and all of the bells and whistles.

I will be in touch.

Thank you Mike.

DGJONES posted:

Send me an email and I will send you pictures and answer questions.

 

Thanks,

Don

Letter is on it's way

          Mike.

Rule292 posted:

The Sunset one is very nice.  If I ever see a 2 rail one for a reasonable price I will pick it up.

I know "PRR doesn't sell well any more" but it would be nice to see a (more) modern release with sound and all of the bells and whistles.

I like your profile, and I also would like to see a better turbine.

Thank you for your interest.   Mike.

I would deal with Don Jones.  I recently sold that same engine and it is a looker and runner with the monster Pittman motor.  That scale Turbine is great.

It may not be what you want,  as it is certainly not scale, but a new version of the postwar Lionel edition, if you are interested, I have a boxed and opened only for inspection,  Lionel Century Club Edition Turbine.  It is new as it has never been used and in box and mailing box.  I think it has TMCC and has extras like a scale drawing and case included.  

Please feel free to email me and I will send pictures.

I have a sunset 1 st run brass scale turbine, its got a lot more detail then the the last run of either the 2 or the 3 rail. that Sunset did.   Its a 2 rail model with original boxes.  Never been run and a very scarce   model. 

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

I would deal with Don Jones.  I recently sold that same engine and it is a looker and runner with the monster Pittman motor.  That scale Turbine is great.

Thank you Marty.

I am going to shop around a bit and hold off for now.

          Thank you Mike.

Franky-Ogee posted:

I have a sunset 1 st run brass scale turbine, its got a lot more detail then the the last run of either the 2 or the 3 rail. that Sunset did.   Its a 2 rail model with original boxes.  Never been run and a very scarce   model. 

Thank you Franky.

I am going to shop a bit and I have seen the 2rails they are nice.

          Thank you. Mike.

EML posted:

It may not be what you want,  as it is certainly not scale, but a new version of the postwar Lionel edition, if you are interested, I have a boxed and opened only for inspection,  Lionel Century Club Edition Turbine.  It is new as it has never been used and in box and mailing box.  I think it has TMCC and has extras like a scale drawing and case included.  

Please feel free to email me and I will send pictures.

 

No thank you Mr.EML I like Lionel even have some on my layout but I am going to shop around.

          Thank you Mike.

If its any help this is the original Sunset Models brass PRR S2 turbine (1st run version). Its an all brass scale 2-rail model, and as previously said has outstanding detail. This one is from my personal collection and is definitely not for sale. 

nyccollector1 posted:

If its any help this is the original Sunset Models brass PRR S2 turbine (1st run version). Its an all brass scale 2-rail model, and as previously said has outstanding detail. This one is from my personal collection and is definitely not for sale. 

 

Beautiful.

Thank you Mike.

Mike,

Obviously its your call but I would hold out for the original (1st version) Sunset Models PRR S2 Turbine. It has considerably more detail than any of the later versions manufactured by Lionel, MTH,  or whomever else imported it. I honestly can't remember whether or not it was imported as both a 3-rail and 2-rail model. And no it doesn't have any of the latest electronic goodies which can be added later but it is scale length and most if not all of the small details are there - i.e. the backhead is a real work of art and not something you'll see very often on many brass models. One last thing - its a large locomotive so it looks best on layouts with large track radii!

Good hunting...........

Thanks againNYCCOLLECTOR1

I will hold out until the right one comes along.

Buy the way, did Max Grey make any of these?

          Mike.

Mike,

Unfortunately I can't answer your question.

Not to good when it comes to Max Grey or US Hobbies historical stuff.

Perhaps someone else on the forum knows whether or not Max Grey made any.

Good luck

Thank you very much.

          Mike.

I had a 1st run Sunset Models S-2 two rail Penn turbine. Bought it new from a dealer in Middletown, Ohio. As I recall it required 60 inch radius curves. Exquisite detail but extremely delicate. A resistance soldering station will be helpful to maintain it. I sold mine in late 80's, early 90's.

I have a couple of Max Grey catalogs & there is not an S-2 in them.

Dave Drake posted:

I had a 1st run Sunset Models S-2 two rail Penn turbine. Bought it new from a dealer in Middletown, Ohio. As I recall it required 60 inch radius curves. Exquisite detail but extremely delicate. A resistance soldering station will be helpful to maintain it. I sold mine in late 80's, early 90's.

I have a couple of Max Grey catalogs & there is not an S-2 in them.

This is an excellent thread...  I love the early Sunset S-2 but it's not what I am looking at for my sleepy little P:48 Redstone Branch branchline. 

We're also going to do outdoor 2 rail garden railroading and an S-2 is a graceful and powerful looking loco.

Thus it would be great if Sunset would do a current version for the operators amongst us.  NOTHING beats the current Sunset products for performance even they don't have the level of detail that the earlier versions that were geared to two rail had.

Rule292 posted:

Dave Drake posted:

I had a 1st run Sunset Models S-2 two rail Penn turbine. Bought it new from a dealer in Middletown, Ohio. As I recall it required 60 inch radius curves. Exquisite detail but extremely delicate. A resistance soldering station will be helpful to maintain it. I sold mine in late 80's, early 90's.

I have a couple of Max Grey catalogs & there is not an S-2 in them.

This is an excellent thread...  I love the early Sunset S-2 but it's not what I am looking at for my sleepy little P:48 Redstone Branch branchline. 

We're also going to do outdoor 2 rail garden railroading and an S-2 is a graceful and powerful looking loco.

Thus it would be great if Sunset would do a current version for the operators amongst us.  NOTHING beats the current Sunset products for performance even they don't have the level of detail that the earlier versions that were geared to two rail had.

Thank you rule 292 for the Max Grey Information, I have been looking on the web for one and like you I cannot find it, The only sunset I have

ever owned was a camelback Central of New Jersey 2 rail beautiful locomotive but I sold it a long time ago. Any ways good luck with your

Garden railroading and hopefully in the future someone will come out with a well detailed 3-rail turbine.   Mike.

SPLASH(Mike),

Be very careful of the term "Detail" and "More Detail" bantered around here.

In the first place the PRR S2 did NOT have a lot of external detail as compared to a reciprocating  piston steam engine.

In the second place the S2 that was scrapped had more piping and "stuff" then the original as shopped out engine.

A few year-ago "Classic Train" published an edition which featured the S2.  Lot of info there.

Now I know of a toy train shop (really not that far from you) that has a "Lionel" 6-18010 priced at $500.00 (conventional).  I say "Lionel" because this was actually made by Mike Wolf for Lionel under contract directly between Mike and Dick Kughn.  This engine is as actually first shopped.

This shop also Lionel Legacy model 6-11416 priced at $900.00.  This version has the added piping and "stuff" as modified by the PRR through the years.

I personally have 6-38028.  It compares very well to the pictures as modified.

IF you are interested drop me an eMail, address in my OGR profile.

Ron

Some interesting comments by Ron.  Some years back I won an Ebay auction for an original multi-page brochure given out by Baldwin and Westinghouse upon the completion of PRR 6200.  It shows in great detail how the engine looked when turned over to the Pennsy.  I have scanned this as a PDF which I will attempt to attach here.  I remember the Classic Trains article from a few years back.  I believe it was written that the engine was originally designed to have been a 4-8-4 until its weight brought about the 6 wheeled engine and trailing trucks.  I believe you should be able to download this file once you have opened it.   If not, my email address is in my profile.  I can send you a copy. 

ALLEGHENY48, fantastic brochure!  Thanks for posting PDF.  Opened with no trouble.

Ron

Allegheny48 posted:

Some interesting comments by Ron.  Some years back I won an Ebay auction for an original multi-page brochure given out by Baldwin and Westinghouse upon the completion of PRR 6200.  It shows in great detail how the engine looked when turned over to the Pennsy.  I have scanned this as a PDF which I will attempt to attach here.  I remember the Classic Trains article from a few years back.  I believe it was written that the engine was originally designed to have been a 4-8-4 until its weight brought about the 6 wheeled engine and trailing trucks.  I believe you should be able to download this file once you have opened it.   If not, my email address is in my profile.  I can send you a copy. 

Thanks again the brochure was easy no problem, the locomotive is beautiful and the brochure has it broke down

into the inside. Thank you for sending it. Mike.

PRRronbh posted:

SPLASH(Mike),

Be very careful of the term "Detail" and "More Detail" bantered around here.

In the first place the PRR S2 did NOT have a lot of external detail as compared to a reciprocating  piston steam engine.

In the second place the S2 that was scrapped had more piping and "stuff" then the original as shopped out engine.

A few year-ago "Classic Train" published an edition which featured the S2.  Lot of info there.

Now I know of a toy train shop (really not that far from you) that has a "Lionel" 6-18010 priced at $500.00 (conventional).  I say "Lionel" because this was actually made by Mike Wolf for Lionel under contract directly between Mike and Dick Kughn.  This engine is as actually first shopped.

This shop also Lionel Legacy model 6-11416 priced at $900.00.  This version has the added piping and "stuff" as modified by the PRR through the years.

I personally have 6-38028.  It compares very well to the pictures as modified.

IF you are interested drop me an eMail, address in my OGR profile.

Ron

Thank you Ron.

Right now I own two of the early o modern locomotives by mike wolf and I keep them mostly shelved afraid really of

running them not quite what I like. The 6-380 series are nice locomotives to run. When I get ready buy I will email you

for the information, that you have on the train store. Thank you again for your help. Mike.

ALLEGHENY48,

The brochure is a mini time machine to a time when advertisers explained products and their pros and cons.  The brochures does not hide the fact that the coal consumption is greater when it is starting out is openly stated and explained that it is offset by the lower depletion while at speed.  I don't recall advertising we see today manufacturers or insurers or other salesmen explaining any limitation of their product.  Maybe if we heard more about the beer being  less watery than others but still not a bad taste would be good for everyone. 

One item I found interesting in the brochure was the round plate someone at the factory fabricated with the initials "BW" and mounted this on the smokebox in place of the Pennsy keystone number plate.  It is visible in a few of the pictures.  Switching that out for the keystone required loosening 12 staybolts to open the smokebox door as well as the mounting hardware for each plate.   Also, being that the 6200 did not have the usual cylinders and piston rods the drivers did not produce any dynamic augment and therefore may have been one pf the smoothest running steam locomotives ever built.

EML posted:

ALLEGHENY48,

The brochure is a mini time machine to a time when advertisers explained products and their pros and cons.  The brochures does not hide the fact that the coal consumption is greater when it is starting out is openly stated and explained that it is offset by the lower depletion while at speed.  I don't recall advertising we see today manufacturers or insurers or other salesmen explaining any limitation of their product.  Maybe if we heard more about the beer being  less watery than others but still not a bad taste would be good for everyone. 

Don't you wish we could go back in time and enjoy what our late forefathers had built for us, but as a friend of mine would

always say the paint brush of time got it also!

          Mike.

Allegheny48 posted:

One item I found interesting in the brochure was the round plate someone at the factory fabricated with the initials "BW" and mounted this on the smokebox in place of the Pennsy keystone number plate.  It is visible in a few of the pictures.  Switching that out for the keystone required loosening 12 staybolts to open the smokebox door as well as the mounting hardware for each plate.   Also, being that the 6200 did not have the usual cylinders and piston rods the drivers did not produce any dynamic augment and therefore may have been one pf the smoothest running steam locomotives ever built.

From the pictures and film that I have seen over the years, the turbine and the NYC Hudson were probably

the best running locomotives ever built, even though only 11 turbines were ever built and never giving a chance!

          Mike.

Hi Mike:  I often wish I could turn back time to an era when most everything we bought and used was made in America and things were a bit simpler.  I guess every generation has had the same thoughts at one time or another. Growing up in northeast Ohio on Lake Erie in the 1950's I got to see NKP steam, ore boats and the Huletts that unloaded them.  The NYC and the B&LE also ran near by.  Life was good. 

I have one of the Lionel 6-18010 Turbines and even though it weighs in at 16 lbs. it still has a difficult time starting a decent sized train without slipping the drivers.  It's 4 smoke generators can fill the room with smoke pretty quickly.  

Found my copies of the "Classic Trains" in question.  It is the Spring 2012 edition.  At least at that time they had some downloadable PDFs.

Here is some pics of my Lionel 6-38028.  You can see and compare the differences between as shop depicted pics in brochure and details on my loco.  As example the steam line to the Main Forward Turbine was moved from behind the exhaust line to out side it.

You can also see the added small piping.  The class lights are moved.  This model has the second generation smoke lifters, etc. .

Allegheny48 posted:

Hi Mike:  I often wish I could turn back time to an era when most everything we bought and used was made in America and things were a bit simpler.  I guess every generation has had the same thoughts at one time or another. Growing up in northeast Ohio on Lake Erie in the 1950's I got to see NKP steam, ore boats and the Huletts that unloaded them.  The NYC and the B&LE also ran near by.  Life was good. 

I have one of the Lionel 6-18010 Turbines and even though it weighs in at 16 lbs. it still has a difficult time starting a decent sized train without slipping the drivers.  It's 4 smoke generators can fill the room with smoke pretty quickly.  

 

So you got the chance to see the good railroads run? And i thank you for sharing that with me even though I am

62 years old, I came in on the early diesels. And did get a chance to see some steam in the south.  Mike.

PRRronbh posted:

Found my copies of the "Classic Trains" in question.  It is the Spring 2012 edition.  At least at that time they had some downloadable PDFs.

Here is some pics of my Lionel 6-38028.  You can see and compare the differences between as shop depicted pics in brochure and details on my loco.  As example the steam line to the Main Forward Turbine was moved from behind the exhaust line to out side it.

You can also see the added small piping.  The class lights are moved.  This model has the second generation smoke lifters, etc. .

That's a good looking turbine now is it for sale?

          Mike.