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The Lionel 2015 Volume 2 catalog is here at long last, after long wait.  Its been a interesting week with the catalog leaks, trying to see what is in it. Actually, I appreciate the catalog leaks. I like the layout of this book and lots of offerings.  I didn't expect a big book. I'm not disappointed at all.

 

The Milwaukee Road E-7's jumped at me.  I'm glad they are not painted in the UP Yellow.

 

I'm sure everyone has thoughts to share.  Are you pleased?  Disappointed?  

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I like the little buildings that make noise. I know its not a new idea, but its still good to see them re-appear. Hopefully the sound quality is good enough that it sounds like more than just garbled junk.

The note about the UP business train in the next catalog is a big plus.

Not sure I like the way they worded the explanation of tooling for the SD60E. It reads as if its going to be a new shell on the existing SD60 TMCC underframe with the shallow fuel tank. I really hope they clarify what they're going to do with this thing.

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I was very disappointed in the catalog just a lot of remakes of items already done if you are going to charge what you are asking for then let it be something different I love scale both diesel and steam and I have mostly legacy and it was a real letdown I have the first FEF and I love it I have SD40 GP9 E8 the SD60E were nice looking but I will wait and pick them up at York when they are looking to sell as for the locos that are weathered they look good but not for me so I hope people can find something but the prices are to high and the selection is low   

Originally Posted by Robbie:

was very disappointed with the Design Your Own Boxcar winning design,

 

Interesting Jerry-  because I must say, the runner up designs would make nice offerings.

 

The logging shanty with sounds is a neat offering,  Nice addition to a layout.

 

 

I like the 2nd place car I would have purchased that one

Some nice stuff in there, but the prices are really getting up there. 650 for a diesel?  Yes, I know 550 or so street price, but still - and you have no idea what it will look like compared to the catalog picture.   The rolling stock prices, as others have said - $80 for a 9700 style boxcar ( even figure 65 for street price)  is insane. 

 

As much as I'd like a 60E, not sure I can get myself to pay that for a diesel. 

 

Some nice stuff in there, but the prices are really getting up there. 650 for a diesel?  Yes, I know 550 or so street price, but still - and you have no idea what it will look like compared to the catalog picture.   The rolling stock prices, as others have said - $80 for a 9700 style boxcar ( even figure 65 for street price)  is insane. 

 

As much as I'd like a 60E, not sure I can get myself to pay that for a diesel. 

Agree, I ran the First Responder past my wife this morning.  It didn't go well.  Something about children....college.....food....etc.  LOL.  I need it to be LC in the $250 range for her to give the green light.

There's nothing I really need, but maybe for later on.

 

I won't say it's a bad offering though.

 

What I do like:

  • The non-train Lionel products like the clock, shirts and flags. I'll likely get one or more of those on a rainy day.
  • The new SD60E's look really cool, especially the First Responders and Veteran versions - they're a nice thanks to those they're commemorating.
  • The other diesels are nice. I do like the scale SD-38's in particular.
  • The UP FEF-3 class coming back - the #8444 version with white walls and white running board is my favorite since I vividly remember it from Shining Time Station.
  • The Heisler Climax type steamers and wood carrying rolling stock
  • The new Milk cars - I will likely pick up a couple later.
  • The new LionChief Mikados - the #4501 should be a pretty popular one.
  • The postwar inspired space and military products - always ones for me to admire.
  • The Smithsonian boxcar looks REALLY cool.
  • The work houses with sounds are a pretty neat idea, and are priced right.

What I don't like:

  • The Consolidations in the Southern and Western Maryland markings don't look anything like their popular prototypes - looks like the West Coast fans lucked out there...
  • No J3A Hudson with Legacy...okay that's my opinion...
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I always like the "buzz"of a new catalog but that's tempered by the fact that I already know there's not going to be much for me. And that's fine. I run a PW-style toy train layout -- and some tinplate -- so the last several years of Lionel catalogs (basically since they dropped the Conventional Classics) have been slim pickings. No interest at all in Legacy or other high-priced stuff.

 

I have picked up some of the LC+ locos including a few from this year's Vol. 1, and may add to that line.

 

EDIT: Forgot about some of the 115th anniversary items. The box car looks cool and will be nice to have. And that neon clock for the train room is calling my name!  

 

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Why are you saying the prices are too high?

 

Do you have a 100' x 40' sized track layout and you have to fill it with 200 freight cars in six months? If that was the case, then the prices would be too high.

 

If you were only going to buy 4 or 5 freight cars in the next year, then the prices would not be too huge.

 

The prices are high because these are all limited quantities now and there are not very many train stores remaining that sell Lionel.

 

 

Andrew

My quick thoughts:

 

My O gauge buying is winding down as I now pretty much have most of what I want and the escalating pricing of the new stuff quickly tempers any temptation to buy or upgrade the existing roster.

 

The 2-8-0 WM is a generic rehash of the 2001 2-8-0 and looks nothing like the prototype. Thus, I have little faith that one of the last things on my "wish list" -  a super-detailed, all-new Legacy PRR H-9 or H-10 will happen anytime soon.

 

The Legacy GP-9's look nice. 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by falconservice:
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If you were only going to buy 4 or 5 freight cars in the next year, then the prices would not be too huge.

 

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That statement supports something I've been saying for a few years now.  Namely, the days are pretty much gone where all but the most financially blessed toy train enthusiast can buy everything they like in a given catalog.  So instead of one person buying 20 freight cars, Lionel is OK with 5 people buying 4 freight cars... or even 10 people buying 2 cars.  But is the market growing sufficiently to support that kind of thinking in the long run???   

 

I keep hearing O-Gauge is flat, and market demographics would suggest that the folks with really deep pockets are a shrinking slice of the pie.  But you'd never know that with the price-creep of the newly catalog'd products over the past few years.

 

David

 

 

I made a few pricing observations on the "start your clocks" thread. 

 

Overall, I thought it was a great catalog... lots of product across a broad spectrum of interests.  Lots to be happy about.

 

The only other comment I'll make regarding pricing is this...  For some items like the SD60E's special paint-schemes, folks (and I include myself in this group) will likely pre-order the models they really want to purchase. 

 

For everything else, I think the newer items are now priced at a point where an increasing number of folks will just sit out the pre-order commitment and wait for the 15%-20% sales when dealers have product (i.e., "extra" BTO items) already sitting in inventory.  If that means some items don't get produced because of low pre-order volumes, then so be it.  None of this stuff falls into the "must have" category.  None of it.  And the new prices for items like the E7 AA sets, Heislers, and FEF's are perfect examples of items priced above any reasonable sense of "value" -- especially when compared to the price discounts dealers need to offer in an effort to move product out of their existing inventory.

 

David

Well there is allot to go through this catalog. I applaud the new cabeese with and w/o smoke. 

The FEF's are a fine addition but I'm not on the market, have the old release.

What I will be getting is some of the scale wig wags crossing signals and maybe a caboose. 

I fell off my chair on the E7 pricing... 1000.00 for a diesel, pffffft. No thanks.

I feel there are still allot of centipedes out there that need a home for that price.

Geese, that's half a Vision Line Big Boy, which are still available.

 

I am still confused about the 18 in Aluminum cars available in the catalog. They are still making them? Or is everything going to 21 inch?

 

But in all honesty the Bang for the buck is this beauty right here

 

 

 

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Although I found quite a bit of rolling stock that interested me, the thing that struck me most was that the presentation of the catalog seems to have significantly improved. I particularly liked the "World of".. themed pages towards the center that brought together related products for a closeup rather than overloading with paint scheme variants - brought home the thought of modeling far more than the other pages.

Originally Posted by Rocky Mountaineer:

...I think the newer items are now priced at a point where an increasing number of folks will just sit out the pre-order commitment and wait for the 15%-20% sales when dealers have product (i.e., "extra" BTO items) already sitting in inventory.  

David

I absolutely agree.  There is nothing in this catalog I can't live without;  there will be no pre-orders for me.  I'm not a high rail/scale guy.  There are a few traditional boxcars I like, but I will wait and get them down the road...if ever.  I am finding more and more that I get a lot more enjoyment from my hobby dollars if they are spent on hobbies/interests other than trains.  To paraphrase a great president...I am not leaving the hobby, the hobby is leaving me.

 

Jeff Davis 

I'm probably in for the Great Northern E7 A-A set.  Where are the passenger cars?

 

Notes to Lionel:

1. The nose GN logo (round "Rocky" herald) is missing.

2. Please get the colors right. The GP7s and GP9s had too much red in the orange. I can get you help from GNRHS if you need it.

3. Please get steam generator roof details right. Catalog correctly shows two steam generator intakes and exhausts. As built, my CB&Q E9 has only one, which was wrong.

 

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Originally Posted by Rocky Mountaineer:
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For everything else, I think the newer items are now priced at a point where an increasing number of folks will just sit out the pre-order commitment and wait for the 15%-20% sales when dealers have product (i.e., "extra" BTO items) already sitting in inventory.  If that means some items don't get produced because of low pre-order volumes, then so be it.  None of this stuff falls into the "must have" category.  None of it.  And the new prices for items like the E7 AA sets, Heislers, and FEF's are perfect examples of items priced above any reasonable sense of "value" -- especially when compared to the price discounts dealers need to offer in an effort to move product out of their existing inventory.

 

David

Wait, wait.... there are "Extra" BTO items to be had!?!?!  That's not how it was supposed to work!  We had to pre-order it to make sure we got it (assuming it got made). 

 

As to prices in general, it's a long path that got us here. Over the last 20 years or so it started with some steamers breaking the $1k mark, then the JLC steamers at $1800, then the most recent Vision Line Big Boy ($2700 list?, ~ $2k street).

 

At each of these points, the opportunity for the community as a whole to say "no" existed.  But none of these items were cancelled.  Each time an item that is priced higher sells, it gives the OK for the next items (even lower in the product hierarchy) to have higher prices.

 

The diesels are not a new thing either.  In 1996-97 or so there were the GE and SP (non-scale) Dash-9 engines(18226 and 18228).  List price on these things was I think $600.  Also the Soo Lines SD-60 (18232, I think) was in this $700 range.

 

Back to the original topic. 

I like:

  • the 8 door Hi cubes.
  • the NYC Milk Car (assuming it's a new number I can add to my CCII Milk set)
  • the Crane sounds building
  • The logging camp building with sounds
  • the log cars that match the Heislers to fill in some gaps in my... oh wait, never mind ... there are no sets of log cars listed to go with the Heislers?

That's the things that stuck in my mind after the first pass through Charlie's list.  (At the moment, I refuse to go to that disaster the Lionel site became last week)

 

-Dave

 

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It's an impressive catalog, for sure.  The Chessie GP9 looks beautiful and would be an instant purchase if it were conventional and half the price.  Would like to get the eight-door Chessie box and the Chessie autorack, but both the curve radius and cost are prohibitive.

 

Sure would like to see some new O27 offerings, but their absence tells me they must not be good sellers these days.  Menards and eBay will be getting my train dollars again, but from the looks of it, there's a lot of options for others--and that's good.

Originally Posted by J Daddy:
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I am still confused about the 18 in Aluminum cars available in the catalog. They are still making them? Or is everything going to 21 inch?

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Lionel certainly hasn't helped any.  The latest shipping schedule still has some of the CANCELLED 18" aluminum cars listed for delivery in early 2016!!!    So even Lionel doesn't know exactly what they're getting from China either.  Lots of mis-information out there. 

 

SUPPOSEDLY... a bunch of the 18" aluminum cars were cancelled when Lionel announced the new 21" ABS passenger cars.  I had the Texas Special 18" aluminum cars on order with Charlie Ro, and Charlie sent a memo in the mail (USPS mail) indicating Lionel had cancelled those, and gave me the option to order the new Texas Special 21" cars.  There were a half dozen or so 18" roadnames that were CANCELLED at the same time.

 

BUT Lionel did keep 4 roadnames as the last of their 18" aluminum production runs.  Those were catalog'd in 2015 Vol 1 and also reappear in Vol 2 as well.  Word on the street is these will be the last of Lionel's 18" aluminum passenger cars... and perhaps the last of Lionel aluminum production of all sizes period.  Whether or not we'll ever see them is anyone's best guess. 

 

David

 

 

Originally Posted by Christopher2035:

Some nice stuff in there, but the prices are really getting up there. 650 for a diesel?  Yes, I know 550 or so street price, but still - and you have no idea what it will look like compared to the catalog picture.   The rolling stock prices, as others have said - $80 for a 9700 style boxcar ( even figure 65 for street price)  is insane..... 

This is getting be a real "rich man's sport." Not hard to understand why fewer and fewer people are entering O gauge. I was also looking at prices on the baby Madison cars for a Holiday layout - works out to $90 per car! Hard to believe.

 

I agree that $650 for a diesel is hitting the stratosphere, and the statement that "you have no idea what it will look like compared to the catalog picture" hit home. I might be interested in the Rio Grande GP-9, but after Lionel's extremely disappointing fiasco (to me) with their RG GP35s, where the catalog picture showed the correct orange paint and the production models had a grossly wrong dark red-orange, this GP-9 is a definite wait-and-see. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by breezinup:
... and the statement that "you have no idea what it will look like compared to the catalog picture" hit home. ...

Isn't it interesting that many of the BTO items in this latest catalog have next to no detail descriptions listed???    A picture or two... a small blurb about "new tooling"... and maybe a spec for overall length and minimum radius.  That's it!!! 

 

I guess we just gotta believe!!! 

 

David

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Originally Posted by TrainWizard5972:

I found the new TOFC cars to be interesting because it seems that some more Weaver tooling has found a new owner.

 

These Lionel versions would have been planned long before Weaver's demise. I suspect the catalog even went to the printer well before Weaver's announcement. 

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Those are 3rd rail prices. They make much prettier trains. Lionel has priced themselves right out of my market. Im just not interested in spending that kind of money for their products. I know I sound like a cheapskate and anybody who knows me knows I am not but holy smokes their products are just getting sooooo expensive I don't find them worth it.

Originally Posted by baltimoretrainworks:

Haven't really looked thru it yet but was very disappointed with the Design Your Own Boxcar winning design, rather plain and boring, no real imagination or thought put into it. Brian Morans was much more vibrant and looked old school Lionel.

Jerry

Agree. Most people will look at that winning car, with virtually nothing on it but those two "L"s, and have no idea what it means. It may be interesting as an abstract design, perhaps, but as a commemorative car it reveals nothing about what it is that's being celebrated.

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There are some fine items in this catalog. The Double Door Boxcars are very cool.

 

One item I am interested in but missed the mark is the Gantry Crane. Since Lionel has the technology with the crane cars, why make this accessory Manually operated to raise and lower the boom operations?

 

I'll wait for a version that is completely Legacy or DCS controlled for all functions.

 

Otherwise I think this catalog has something for everyone.

 

Paul

While I wouldn't say that Lionel has priced themselves out of my market, I would say that unlike my spending habits in the past, because of the prices it would have to be a locomotive that I really really really want for me to preorder and spend that kind of money. Since there is no unstreamlined Legacy NYC J3a, my wallet is safe this time.

"I thought I read an alternative for the Powerhouse 180 was coming. I am a little disappointed to see nothing about it in the catalog. "

 

The Powerhouse had to be redesigned from scratch and is expected in 2016 according to Mike Reagan on Notch 6.  The previous manufacturer went out of business and took the designs with them, apparently.

 

I think the Universal Lion Chief remote that can command control 3 locos at <$40 street price is going to be a big hit.  The milk cars are reasonably priced for one thing.  Lion Chief locos are reasonably priced for command equivalent locos that include a remote.  Mike Reagan also stated the accessories have been redesigned for greater reliability and lower amperage.

Well after perusing the catalog I really didn't see anything that I really liked, actually I did but it's apparently not going to be for sale. I seriously doubt that many of those who "voted" for the winning design either will buy one at $85 or even have trains. It was a social media ballot and many times those are loaded simply with friends and coworkers who really don't care other than helping a friend win, which is a shame because it might taint the waters for another design your own contest in the future.

As a design for the 115 anniversary it lacks anything that says...

115TH ANNIVERSARY !!!

No prominent dates, no Lionel Trains other than the L and a small emblem on the door, lackluster graphics, boring same old, same old color scheme and the same look on both sides.

The second place one has many of the themes that make it special enough for an anniversary car and while at priced $85 a pop, for a one time car like this is not too outrageous. The third place winner while very patriotic really doesn't say anniversary either, it would make a great Independence Day car tho. I think it relied to much on the Go Team USA effect and missed the mark as an anniversary offering too.

 

win1

 

win2

 

I don't mean to sound harsh or too critical I think the ball got dropped on this one for an item that could have really been a stand out car. Lionel if you do revisit this idea please don't use social media, it's way too easy to stuff the ballot box, I know, I have been guilty of doing the same but for a much more noble endeavor and it lost out for pretty much the same reasons and our side came up short against an at best questionable opponent.

Well, that's my opinion on the subject, a little long but at least I didn't complain about a door placement or wrong style of headlight or a road name that never had one of those whatever it might be.

 

Jerry

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After the first pass through the catalog, very little in my chosen road name (BNSF). The couple of BNSF items they did have are too big for my layout (O-54 & O-63) so no trains this time around. Some of the smaller steamers were interesting, but above my pay grade.

 

However, I am very happy to have a second chance at some of the accessories from the last catalog. Couldn't afford all that was on the wish list last time around.   I will also be ordering the command control building with sound that goes with the gantry crane I ordered from the last catalog.

Overall a very good catalog especially for a Volume II. I already posted my picks on another thread about "what are you ordering" so I will not repeat myself.

 

Unlike others I do think Lionel will sell plenty of the Southern 630 Consolidations, with the whistle steam effect you will forget about the not correct tender or even attempt to modify it to look like the actual tender (remember we are modelers). By the way someone was hoping now that Atlas who has bought the Weaver modes that they would produce a more accurate 630. Well all I can say is in the last ten years Atlas made one scale steam engine......one....1.......uno....don't hold your breath.

 

JohnB

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Honestly???

 

IT SUCKS! along with their new website!

 

What's one of the most popular Lionel items of all time? If not the most popular?

 

A Santa Fe Warbonnet!

 

Lionel who does your marketing research? EVERYTHING Santa Fe sells out...so where is it? Not 1 engine in the catalog that interests me the least bit...not even a re-run of the FEF! 

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I love the FEF but the price is just ridiculous. I paid less for much nicer locomotives from other manufacturers. Whistle steam is just a novelty, I cant see it from more than 2 feet away. Laid off sick is right, where is the Santa Fe? Lionel has really lost its luster with me. With the Lion Chief starter sets being of the quality they are and them dropping the lowest price scout set their product line has lost its appeal

Robbie , that would be great if Lionel eventually used the ideas somewhere down the road. I do realize it wasn't an anniversary car per se but it just seems no one out there has any real imagination anymore or worse, they know what the public wants which is boring or cookie cutter and they market down to it. We see it here, not many are excited over the offerings, nothing seems to stand out. Might be because a lot of it is computer drawn and rings flat and unrealistic or that it's against a white or a poorly rendered background but it's rare that a catalog of anyone comes out and you'll say"I gotta get one of those" or "Man that's cool, have to figure out a way to get it.". Maybe we're just jaded and have so much to pick and choose from or have that something really needs to pop to get our attention.

 

Jerry

I like the Union Pacific FEF-3.  While FEF tenders were similar to those on Big Boys and Challengers, there are some subtle differences.  MTH appears to use the same tender for Big Boys, Challengers and FEF-3s while Lionel has a separate tender body for the FEF that is particularly suited to that locomotive.  MTH has used the same tender body design for their Pennsylvania Q2 and J1a locomotives even though the tenders on those locomotives were not identical.

Originally Posted by baltimoretrainworks:

Well after perusing the catalog I really didn't see anything that I really liked, actually I did but it's apparently not going to be for sale. I seriously doubt that many of those who "voted" for the winning design either will buy one at $85 or even have trains. It was a social media ballot and many times those are loaded simply with friends and coworkers who really don't care other than helping a friend win, which is a shame because it might taint the waters for another design your own contest in the future.

As a design for the 115 anniversary it lacks anything that says...

115TH ANNIVERSARY !!!

No prominent dates, no Lionel Trains other than the L and a small emblem on the door, lackluster graphics, boring same old, same old color scheme and the same look on both sides.

  

 

You mean something like this ?

 

boxcar_design

 

As much as I would have liked to see my entry win, there were some very nice other entries. I particularly liked Brian Moran's entry.  I thought for sure that one would be the winner.

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Interesting. Ro has his preorder pricing notices out and up. If memory serves, he's usually as much as a week, or more, after others. Nice to see as he's one of my go-to Lionel dealers.

 

Btw -- agree with the others comments on the design-your-own 115th anniversary box car. Pass.   I do like the other version with JLC on it.

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A wide variety of products at various price points.  The FEF is the only engine that interests me.  I feel that the product descriptions were weak, sometimes down right absent.  I feel that BTO product's features should be clearly spelled out in order for me to commit to the purchase.

 

The web site descriptions are also weak with many errors.  Smoking whistle is not listed as a feature for the 2-8-0s.  I am sure over time Lionel will dial the web page in, but right now it needs a lot of work.

Originally Posted by johnstrains:

Interesting. Ro has his preorder pricing notices out and up. If memory serves, he's usually as much as a week, or more, after others. Nice to see as he's one of my go-to Lionel dealers.

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I am SO glad to see Charlie Ro's prices out with everyone else's -- for no other reason to reinforce the message that he's still a viable source for Lionel pre-order items, and he recognizes that the world of pre-ordering BTO items has changed the dealer landscape SIGNIFICANTLY.  I know Charlie is a stand-up dealer, and many folks who've been around for years know it too.  But the younger audience these days is all about instant-gratification, where dealers ship product before the online website order is completed.     So when they don't see price guides up the same hour the website catalog goes live, they tend to not even know a dealer exists.  

 

Frankly, it never bothered me all that much that Charlie Ro's pricelists have typically come out a week or so after catalogs went online.  NONE of this stuff is ever available immediately anyway.  So what's an extra week or so... when you're ordering from a dealer as reputable as Charlie Ro?   I think what's different this time is Lionel has set a dealer pre-order deadline (at least for BTO items) of just over a month from the catalog's release date.  So that's really motivating dealers to scramble for pre-order business.

 

Nonetheless, I'm glad to see Charlie continuing to adapt these days.  He's seen a tremendous amount of retail change over recent years, along with lots of Lionel management changes.  And I'm sure it hasn't all been easy.  He's certainly earned a tremendous amount of business from me over the years... and I continue to order from Charlie to this day.  Yes... I do spread my toy train orders among multiple dealers these days, but Charlie still gets the lion's share (no pun intended) of my Lionel O-Gauge items.

 

David

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I appreciate the era-specific paint jobs on the FEFs. They look beautiful, but they're well beyond my price range as a college student. (The VLBB has done me in for the foreseeable future.) If anything, I may preorder the NYC GP9. 

 

I'll also say that, while I don't see myself purchasing any, I do appreciate the wide variety of accessories introduced/reintroduced this time around.

 

Still hoping for a Legacy Niagara and VL Santa Fe F-3s in the future, but I suppose we'll see. Beyond that, the biggest item on my wishlist is DIY fixed pilots a-la-Atlas O; they make such a difference. I also noticed Lionel giving more scale-coupler-ready options, which is great; I hope to see more of that as well.

 

Here's to my wishes being granted in 2016!

Originally Posted by Rocky Mountaineer:
Originally Posted by johnstrains:

Interesting. Ro has his preorder pricing notices out and up. If memory serves, he's usually as much as a week, or more, after others. Nice to see as he's one of my go-to Lionel dealers.

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I am SO glad to see Charlie Ro's prices out with everyone else's -- for no other reason to reinforce the message that he's still a viable source for Lionel pre-order items, and he recognizes that the world of pre-ordering BTO items has changed the dealer landscape SIGNIFICANTLY.  I know Charlie is a stand-up dealer, and many folks who've been around for years know it too.  But the younger audience these days is all about instant-gratification, where dealers ship product before the online website order is completed.     So when they don't see price guides up the same hour the website catalog goes live, they tend to not even know a dealer exists.  

 

Frankly, it never bothered me all that much that Charlie Ro's pricelists have typically come out a week or so after catalogs went online.  NONE of this stuff is ever available immediately anyway.  So what's an extra week or so... when you're ordering from a dealer as reputable as Charlie Ro?   I think what's different this time is Lionel has set a dealer pre-order deadline (at least for BTO items) of just over a month from the catalog's release date.  So that's really motivating dealers to scramble for pre-order business.

 

Nonetheless, I'm glad to see Charlie continuing to adapt these days.  He's seen a tremendous amount of retail change over recent years, along with lots of Lionel management changes.  And I'm sure it hasn't all been easy.  He's certainly earned a tremendous amount of business from me over the years... and I continue to order from Charlie to this day.  Yes... I do spread my toy train orders among multiple dealers these days, but Charlie still gets the lion's share (no pun intended) of my Lionel O-Gauge items.

 

David

Totally agree. I usually don't place preorders right away and it seems like Ro's pricing hits just about the time I've made some buying decisions. Nonetheless, was a pleasant surprise to see his email in the in-box when I got home this evening. 

Guess I'm one of the happy few 

 

FEFs-What's not to be excited about?  Road number specific Sellers or Worthington feed water heaters!  Whistle steam! Numbers other than 844!

 

UP 'Business train' announcement!   I'm excited about THAT!  Can hardly wait!

 

Weathered locomotives-H-7.  I want.  I'll make my other Legacy H7 a 'shopped' late UP version & change cab number.

 

By the way, I own all of the past FEFs and an H7.  

 

Those compaining about the FEF price: Did you really expect a re-release for the price 6 yrs ago?  

 

Originally Posted by Laidoffsick:

IT SUCKS! along with their new website!

 

What's one of the most popular Lionel items of all time? If not the most popular?

 

A Santa Fe Warbonnet! 

I won't say the catalog sucks, but that new website does indeed. It's the most confusing thing imaginable. Can't find anything. Incidentally, where did they hide the older catalogs?

 

STILL waiting for the Legacy Warbonnet F-3/7. Has to be coming soon. More folks will be heading to Atlas O for theirs. Atlas O prices are starting to look competitive! 

Originally Posted by John Knapp:

I like how, on page 68 N5/N5B cabooses, Lionel points out "DEFECTS."

 

Where are the proofreaders?

 

John Knapp

Erie, not Eerie

That got a laugh out of me, too, especially given the context in which it occurred: "Multiple Road/Road number defects include:

- Truck side frames

- End railings

- Steps

- Smoke stack position"

 

At least we know where to look for the "defects."  Defects, details, no big difference.

 

Errors aside, I do like the new N5's and N5B's, notably the PRR-Railway Express Agency Assigned to Passenger Service N5B (finally a caboose/cabin car for passenger trains) and the PRR N5 with the original end railings. 

 

BTW, the proofreaders (if they exist) also missed the misspelling of "included" on the oval on page 69, which reads "SMOKE!  INLCUDED IN N5B CABOOSES ON PAGE 69"

Last edited by PGentieu

I think the NS SD60E's are great.....Lionel obviously heard many of us who were asking for them.  I just ordered the Veterans and First Responders versions.

 

I think the Smithsonian box car is great.  I hope they will issue a series of these.

 

The 115th Anniversary stuff isn't all that exciting, but I did order a T-shirt.

 

I am truly baffled at the winning box car in the Design A Box Car competition. 

 

I am disappointed that the LCS STM2 module was not listed.  It is still listed as a future product on the LCS page, but I was under the impression it would be available by the end of 2015.

 

I'm not a big fan of steam....only have a few of them, so I can't really comment on the locomotives in the catalog.

 

Lots of BIG rolling stock.

 

It looks like Lionel is heavily invested in LC+....an increasing number of choices.  And, as another example of Lionel listening to its customers, they are bringing out the LC+ remote to control 3 trains....way to go.

 

I tried to save some money for the MTH catalog....maybe I can buy a box car.

My next biggest interest after trains is space flight so I'll be ordering the Smithsonian boxcar and it'll sit on my shelf for 11 months a year and spend one month going around the christmas layout being pull by a Postwar 2046 Hudson which will forever be my favorite engine. As for my basement layout nothing interested me which means I'll have just that much more money to spend when the next MTH catalog comes out

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