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I wonder if Lionel will be doing any more legacy subways like they did with the R16, R27, and R30. They were awesome sets that they need to do again just maybe this time with something more modern, I'd love to see them try a R38 or R44/R46. It's such a shame Lionel overlooked the 115th Anniversary of the subway, that would have been a great PR promotional idea especially since they have the MTA license.

@SubwayLover posted:

I wonder if Lionel will be doing any more legacy subways like they did with the R16, R27, and R30. They were awesome sets that they need to do again just maybe this time with something more modern, I'd love to see them try a R38 or R44/R46. It's such a shame Lionel overlooked the 115th Anniversary of the subway, that would have been a great PR promotional idea especially since they have the MTA license.

Last I heard they were working on reengineering the subways. I hope they'll be rerun soon. I ran my R27 set today, I love it. I hope we get sound/motor at each end, sparking shoes and people/ads in the interiors. 

@Landsteiner posted:

folks who like ... NYC should be particularly pleased in terms of newer products.

It would be nice to see Lionel update their L3 Mohawk tooling, like they did with the Reading T1s.

A J1e Hudson would also be a classic, and is a significant piece of Lionel history that would make sense to honor in a big anniversary year celebration like Lionel is having this year. 2019v2 saw the 4-6-6T that were former K-Line tooling, maybe they will do the same and rerun the K-Line scale J1e. If not, the 700e would work just fine for me.

 

One last thought. Pacific brass hybrid. While the Hudsons are certainly more well known, especially in O gauge, I've always liked the look of the NYC Pacifics with the really big headlights. It would represent an earlier stage on NYC history.

No idea as to what will be in this catalog, but as I mentioned above it would be nice to see some more AFT cars as promised many years ago.

And something to go with those AFT cars they are making:  A SD40-2 in Burlington Northern Bicentennial scheme with cab #1876.  BN SD40-2 #1876 and BN U30c #1776 (Lionel made this engine already)  were the only diesels to pull the AFT without one of the steamers.  For Lionel to make BN #1876 to go with their BN #1776 to pull their AFT cars would be awesome.

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It will be interesting to see what comes out in the "July" catalog if they are indeed on schedule to what Ryan was saying in the TrainWorld video. As to what exactly that will be a hard thing to pin down. Ryan has said before in other hints given almost the same thing, "Some Pennsy fans", "Some NYC fans" in what he has said. This is really a broad stroke and could mean anything from engines to rolling stock or even a billboard sign.

So, we can speculated what we think may be coming, or even hope is coming. Either way we won't know until it is here, and we may even get lucky.

There are some great things out there that we still have not seen in OScale that really should be made. I know that I only know of a few things that others know those that get snubbed everytime any of the manufacturers release new offerings(some may actually have already released one like the K5 Pacific's that was discussed on a prior topic year or so ago).

Regardless of all that, hopefully we get something that we are asking for. I think subway sets would be a good thing too, not that I have an interest, more for seeing some diversity in what some other manufacturers may have cornered the market on already.

See what comes, here's hoping.

Something that Lionel would bring back is the Santa Fe 2-10-10-2. I missed out on the 2009-2010 version and it would be nice to get one that is updated with Bluetooth. Sorry Pennsy and NYC fans, I live in Texas so Santa Fe all the way!

It would be really cool if Lionel did to their 2-10-10-2 what the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe did to their's; cut it in half and make Class 3020 or 3290 Santa Fe's 2-10-2's out of it. Such a locomotive would have a locomotive wheelbase of only 35' 10' (or just shy of 9 inches in O scale) and be overall shorter than a postwar 726/736 Berkshire. They already have the tender to boot. 

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@WBC posted:

It would be really cool if Lionel did to their 2-10-10-2 what the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe did to their's; cut it in half and make Class 3020 or 3290 Santa Fe's 2-10-2's out of it. Such a locomotive would have a locomotive wheelbase of only 35' 10' (or just shy of 9 inches in O scale) and be overall shorter than a postwar 726/736 Berkshire. They already have the tender to boot. 

Yes, that would be something cool to see. I guess you can say it is part 2 to the 2-10-10-2 saga. Something else that would be interesting to see would be a rendition of Santa Fe's 2-6-6-2. Another interesting locomotive that is, surprisingly, one of their successful strange locomotives. Oh well, we can only dream.

You know, that would really be a great idea @Trainmaster04. There are probably a lot of Santa Fe engines that just don't get there due. I know the most recent run they had the steam hit, but that is only one of many steamers that they had. Diesel I'm sure would definitely be a ton more. Hopefully they get something Santa Fe coming including the 2-10-10-2 you missed.

You know, that would really be a great idea @Trainmaster04. There are probably a lot of Santa Fe engines that just don't get there due. I know the most recent run they had the steam hit, but that is only one of many steamers that they had. Diesel I'm sure would definitely be a ton more. Hopefully they get something Santa Fe coming including the 2-10-10-2 you missed.

Yes, it would be nice! One last thought, maybe Lionel should also produce a Santa Fe 5000 (Madam Queen) as a brass hybrid? 

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Yes, it would be nice! One last thought, maybe Lionel should also produce a Santa Fe 5000 (Madam Queen) as a brass hybrid? 

Hmm, has Lionel ever done the 5000 or any SF 2-10-4? Interesting on 5000, it has all black boiler front and grey in some recent pictures. Which is right I wonder? Hopefully if they did it, they would put it in a messed up paint scheme.

Hmm, has Lionel ever done the 5000 or any SF 2-10-4? Interesting on 5000, it has all black boiler front and grey in some recent pictures. Which is right I wonder? Hopefully if they did it, they would put it in a messed up paint scheme.

No, Lionel has not made any 5000 class locomotive. The only manufacture that I can think of is MTH. MTH has made multiple variations of 5001 class but has not made the prototype 5000. 

Hmm, has Lionel ever done the 5000 or any SF 2-10-4? Interesting on 5000, it has all black boiler front and grey in some recent pictures. Which is right I wonder? Hopefully if they did it, they would put it in a messed up paint scheme.

Both Tarpon gray on the smokebox front or black are correct, depending on when.  Tarpon gray would weather down to a dark grey or near black in service.  I recall reading that toward the end of steam (ending in August 1957) on the Santa Fe, black was generally applied to the smokebox fronts.

Rusty

I would be interested in a post war K4 with the short tender, can we squeeze a swinging bell in? Also the NYC Mohawk. The Mohawks are long overdue for a re-issue with whistle steam & maybe one extra feature like the force coupler. A pacemaker box car set with a sound car would be incredible!

how about a PRR vision S1 duplex, and something with all new tooling. A 2-10-0 was mentioned above. That would be awesome, with the short & long tenders. How about a PRR/ LIRR G5?  That’s another one that would have my order. 

I would be interested in a post war K4 with the short tender, can we squeeze a swinging bell in? Also the NYC Mohawk. The Mohawks are long overdue for a re-issue with whistle steam & maybe one extra feature like the force coupler. A pacemaker box car set with a sound car would be incredible!

how about a PRR vision S1 duplex, and something with all new tooling. A 2-10-0 was mentioned above. That would be awesome, with the short & long tenders. How about a PRR/ LIRR G5?  That’s another one that would have my order. 

I agree with you. It has been way overdue for Lionel to produce a Mohawk. Especially the L-3 A variation with the smoke deflectors. That is definitely something that I would try to bend the rules to get. Also, it would also be nice to see a Lionel decapod since the MTH ones are nice but, to me, are lacking in something.

I would LOVE to see the 20th Century Limited with matching passenger cars.  The last time they offered it was in like 2008 and it was never made (which is a shame since they would have been in aluminum).  I’d like the cars with the blue stripe ( can’t remember if they were the 1938 or 1941 version...  I think those were the two years). Here’s hoping!

Something I have just thought is that maybe why Lionel has not reproduced, or produce, some of these products could be that MTH has done them. Think about it. MTH has produced both a G5 and multiple types of decapods. Also, in the time span since Lionel last produced a 20th Century Limited MTH made a whole set. Just thinking out of the box but maybe I am wrong. 

As far as everyone has heard the 15th of this month. No idea if dealers have or when will they have copies available. The typical good scenario is they have them about a week before the date and may or may not give them out depending on what dealer you have. I know I can inquire about what's there maybe a few days before(catalog or what's in it), but I usually just wait like most people do.

I would like to see more New Haven steam locomotives, especially the I-4 Pacific. Lionel could use their existing tooling for the USRA pacific, in particular the chasis and running gear, and make a new boiler (die cast or a brass hybrid). They should also consider offering it in a passenger set like the Merchants Limited or Yankee Clipper. 

A USRA heavy mikado decorated as a J-2 would be nice to see as well and Lionel already has the tooling.

New Haven 1359

NYNH&H mikado 3100

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@Bob posted:

"Several F3 sets were listed in the 2020 Vol. 1 catalog, but not in Tuscan for PRR fans."

PRR fans should know that PRR never had any tuscan F-3's.  They were all dark green locomotive enamel and all had a single stipe.  None had 5 stripes.

If anyone cares...

 

I'm glad you pointed that out.  Also, I do not believe any F7s were painted Tuscan Red (the FP7 was w/5-stripes because it was able to do passenger duty, although it very seldom did).

@RickO posted:

Hmmmmm. Light Mikados for the umpteenth time? Lionel makes those about every 2 catalogs. If we're lucky they will either lose, or wear out the tooling

@RickO posted:

Hmmmmm. Light Mikados for the umpteenth time? Lionel makes those about every 2 catalogs. If we're lucky they will either lose, or wear out the tooling.

Perhaps we could see a new USRA steam locomotive in the new catalog, I'm thinking the USRA light 2-10-2. It would be a viable locomotive to tool up and the reason is how many road names can be put on them and hasn't been done in O scale while in HO it seems to have done well. USRA light 2-10-2

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@Bob posted:

"Several F3 sets were listed in the 2020 Vol. 1 catalog, but not in Tuscan for PRR fans."

PRR fans should know that PRR never had any tuscan F-3's.  They were all dark green locomotive enamel and all had a single stipe.  None had 5 stripes.

 

@CAPPilot posted:

I'm glad you pointed that out.  Also, I do not believe any F7s were painted Tuscan Red (the FP7 was w/5-stripes because it was able to do passenger duty, although it very seldom did).

The first two PRR FP7 ABA sets (9832A-9832B-9833A and 9834A-9834B-9835A) were painted in the passenger scheme of Tuscan Red with five Buff stripes. (FP7s were F7s with a four foot stretch to accomodate additional water.)

Given the basic resemblance between the F3, F7 and FP7, I suppose if Lionel produced a tuscan PRR F7, or even a F3 , it would be close enough to satisfy many folks.

@Terrance posted:

The only hints/teasers are NYC and Pennsylvania ?

Well, yeah. That is basically like saying there is a chance of sun or rain during the spring season. You're going to have both most likely. As for what, it's anyone's guess since there is a wide variety of motive power as well as rolling stock. So, either way if they don't release an engine but so release a car or two, their bases are covered.

I would really like to see something that hasn't made the light of day. Of course that is vague, but there have been a lot of great suggestions with each catalog approaching. See what comes out.

@breezinup posted:

The first two PRR FP7 ABA sets (9832A-9832B-9833A and 9834A-9834B-9835A) were painted in the passenger scheme of Tuscan Red with five Buff stripes. (FP7s were F7s with a four foot stretch to accomodate additional water.)

Given the basic resemblance between the F3, F7 and FP7, I suppose if Lionel produced a tuscan PRR F7, or even a F3 , it would be close enough to satisfy many folks.

It would be great if Lionel extended their F unit frame a scale 4 ft and made a Fp7 body tool. I think the FL9’s were the same length. I hope they will consider properly tooling both FP7’s & FL9’s in Legacy.

Ill take a PRR FP7 Tuscan 5 stripe ABA (Superbass B)

& a New Haven FL9 AA set with matching 21” cars!

@Terrance posted:

The only hints/teasers are NYC and Pennsylvania ?

Ryan did give us a "preview" in the virtual york event. I linked the video at the slide in his presentation. Essentially its just small portions of the products where you can't really see what they are. However, it looks like the pictures tease PRR cars in the Fleet of Modernism scheme and NYC cars in the pacemaker(?) scheme. Hopefully there is more PRR stuff than just that. 

Later in the presentation, Ryan says to expect Strasburg road name products in both traditional-O and scale lines in the not-so-distant future. By the sound of it, we're not going to see scale Strasburg products in this catalog. I started a thread to discuss this a while back if anyone wants to get more detailed on this. 

Please excuse the ignorant (ignorant?) question but whats the delivery timeline like for Lionel? I.e. Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

@Prr7688 posted:

Please excuse the ignorant (ignorant?) question but whats the delivery timeline like for Lionel? I.e. Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

 

That’s like expecting the cable company to show up on time. You can never predict when Lionel (or really any manufacturer) will ship your product. I ordered the Lionel 2031230 back in October and it still hasn’t arrived. The expected date was originally June but now it’s sometime this month. 

@Prr7688 posted:

Please excuse the ignorant (ignorant?) question but whats the delivery timeline like for Lionel? I.e. Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

This could also depend on your local train store and how they get things as well. Mine doesn't get direct from Lionel as some others do, so whenever I hear so and so has gotten a delivery, it may be a few weeks after that or even a month. Whatever the delivery schedule says, add a month or to that, and if you don't hear the shops that get theirs direct from Lionel, sounds like there are shipping problems.

@Prr7688 posted:

Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

A major factor is something Lionel has limited control over, which is the schedules of the manufacturers in the Far East. Their production is limited, so not everything is made at once. Some things get made, and when those are completed, then the next batch of things enters the production cycle, and so on.

Even beyond that, these manufacturers themselves have other factors to deal with, over which they have limited control, such as material supplies and labor consideratons. The bottom line is that the manufacturing process for model trains does not usually go like clockwork, and scheduling variations are inevitable. I'm sure Lionel would like nothing better than to get their products into customer hands as soon as possible, and have the money coming in, but much of that is outside of their control.

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@breezinup posted:

A major factor is something Lionel has limited control over, which is the schedules of the manufacturers in the Far East. Their production is limited, so not everything is made at once. Some things get made, and when those are completed, then the next batch of things enters the production cycle, and so on.

Even beyond that, these manufacturers themselves have other factors to deal with, over which they have limited control, such as material supplies and labor consideratons. The bottom line is that the manufacturing process for model trains does not usually go like clockwork, and scheduling variations are inevitable. I'm sure Lionel would like nothing better than to get their products into customer hands as soon as possible, and have the money coming in, but much of that is outside of their control.

Don't forget any potential hangups at the originating port, destination port and customs.

Rusty

Was checking out Nassau Hobby after July 4th sale when I noticed several new CNW items: WiFi Theater Car, NE-5 caboose and roof hatch boxcars.  All are listed as new for pre-order.  Did a quick search for PRR and there were 21 inch South Wind passenger cars and shark nose diesels.  There are roof hatch boxcars for Central of Georgia, Monon, UP and Southern.  Looks like Nassau might have the volume 2 items listed.

I put "pre-order" in the search function at Nassau Hobbies and found 37 pages of stuff.  I assume the items without pictures are from the new catalog as they looked unfamiliar.  One thing I noticed was a fair number of LionChief +2.0 locos with MSRP a few hundred dollars below typical Legacy locos.  Another was the continued proliferation of freight cars with Nassau Hobby prices of not much more than $33.  These prices are certainly more affordable than the higher end Lionel products.  Even a steam loco for under $200 (LionChief, probably no speed control), which is pretty much unheard of until recently.  

 After hounding them for years for a Rutland 4-6-0 featured in a set with unique milk cars. They are offering at least the engine. I have already sacrificed 3 Northern Pacifics with relettering jobs. I already have done #79. But will probably purchase one and renumber the one I have. Hopefully all the white striping on the running boards and wheels will be present on it.

Reading through all the posts, I thought about what I would really buy if Lionel produced it.  So, Lionel, I will buy these if in the catalog.

Already available tooling;

-Legacy PRR E6s 4-4-2 in post WWII paint scheme.

-Legacy PRR S2 6-8-6 with smoke deflectors

-Legacy PA-1 ABA in as built green scheme (DGLE w/5-stripes).  All powered with sound.

-X-31a boxcar with correct color.

-Legacy Southern Railway E6 AA/AB/ABA in pre-1949 paint scheme (green/white with double bands)

          OR

-Legacy Southern Railway E7 AA/AB/ABA in pre-1949 paint scheme (green/white with double bands)

New tooling (yes, we will never see these)

-Legacy PRR N2sa 2-10-2

-Legacy FA-1 AB (will take ABA).  All powered with sound.

I would consider these if nothing else was in the catalog.  New Tooling (again, we will never see these):

-Legacy PRR T1 4-4-4-4, late appearance.

Legacy PRR K5 4-6-2.

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