Lionel 5 Star General Before & After

Brewman1973 posted:

In doing some additional research,  there were two versions of the general.   The 1872 was the more substantial version with a three position e-unit and Magnetraction.  In set form, it came with Super O track  and the cars had lights, etc.  It also has the gold bands.  This is the picture from Tandem.

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This next version is the 027 version No 1862, no Magnetraction and a two position e-unit.  It has less detail  and no gold bands.  

 

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So, this really does not answer the question why Lionel produced a new Five Star General with a No 1872, but gave us the 027 version with no gold bands.  Maybe they did not have any Super O track to include?  You Know,  Topps randomly includes vintage baseball cards in new packs.  They are usually stamped with a gold emblem.  The acquire the old cards on the open market. 

Lastly, I was able to find some old articles in CTT on the Lionel General.  Its relatively easy to do in their DVD set.  I wonder if there were any articles in OGR. 

 

Dave, The bands are there, they just painted them grey and left the domes and bell molded bright yellow. They did a nice job on the Western Union General with the brass bands, gold  stripes and lettering,  I don't know why they ruined the Five Star set.

Pat

 

 

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NYC Fan posted:
rtraincollector posted:
C W Burfle posted:

There is a third Postwar general: the 1882. See Tandem Associates for details.

That's the halloween 

Uncataloged set made for Gifts Galore in 1960.

 

The CTT issue from July 2006 has a picture of the General on the cover and a four page article on the sets.  It has a nice picture of the Gifts Galore set.  Interesting that American Flyer also came out with there own old time engine, "the Frontiersman" in 1959. Same concept from two fierce rivals.  Still wondering if OGR had any articles on the Generals.  

Pat's fixes are terrific and I want to do that to my engine. 

Dave B, from Tacoma, WA, TCA #14-70330

 

Hi Pat,

Phase 1 is complete! I was able to remove the paint from the bands.  I used a screw driver as you suggested, and it worked great.  I probably used a bit too much pressure to begin with, and I had some light scratches, but I got the hang of it.  

I will try painting the domes and bell next.  

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Its such an improvement!

Dave B, from Tacoma, WA, TCA #14-70330

 

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Brewman1973 posted:

Hi Pat,

Phase 1 is complete! I was able to remove the paint from the bands.  I used a screw driver as you suggested, and it worked great.  I probably used a bit too much pressure to begin with, and I had some light scratches, but I got the hang of it.  

I will try painting the domes and bell next.  

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Its such an improvement!

Hi Dave:

Just the gold striping is an improvement!  Even I can do that!

I've been hesitating about this set because the Mickey Christmas set I have, it's fast or off as far as speed goes. Haven't changed the settings yet on the transformer.

Can anyone with this set please take a video? I can't find a preview of it anywhere. I'd really appreciate that.

Thom from PDX

Here are some pictures and a video.  

First,  I am using the Bluetooth app on the I Phone. It works nicely on a layout of my size (12x12).   The android version is not usable, however Dave Olsen has states on the forum that they are working on an updated version that should improve its functionality.  Also, the hand held remote that is provided with the set was very touchy and launches the engine forward and in reverse. 

Here is what the app looks like.

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In the tools section, you can adjust the speed limit.  I have it at "L" for low.  

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Here it is.  I have it pulling two Sheriff and outlaw cars, the horse car, the two W&A passenger cars and the  three green passenger cars from the Alco set that just came out. 

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The horses are a bit nervous about flying off the layout over the ledge.   

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This is a MTH z1000 transformer.  I set the throttle fairly low, that has helped smooth out the General's operation.  

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Here is a short video.  It can pull a ton. 

Lastly, the product page has the sound clips. The sound is clear and loud Really fun stuff!  

http://www.lionel.com/products...t-wbluetooth-6-82442

 

 

 

Dave B, from Tacoma, WA, TCA #14-70330

 

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With a screen grab of Dave B’s settings on the bluetooth app, I think if he were to change the momentum setting to medium or high with a button press, he could smooth out the starts and stops a little. The max speed limit is controlled by the slider back and forth.  Certainly worth a try.

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TedW posted:

With a screen grab of Dave B’s settings on the bluetooth app, I think if he were to change the momentum setting to medium or high with a button press, he could smooth out the starts and stops a little. The max speed limit is controlled by the slider back and forth.  Certainly worth a try.

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Hi Ted,  thanks so much for the suggestion!  Actually, I did not know what the Momentum setting did.  

So, I played around with the settings and lowered the throttle on the transformer a bit more. 20171229_081917

On the Bluetooth, The "M" setting on Momentum worked the best, I also increased the speed setting, given that the transformer was at a lower level.   

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The short video below shows some starts and stops.  ITs a much smother operation! 

Thanks Ted, for the suggestion! 

Dave B, from Tacoma, WA, TCA #14-70330

 

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I decided to pull the trigger on this set after seeing this thread.  I could not be happier with it!  It is my favorite running loco to this date!  I was worried about how well the General Loco would operate after having the Mickeys Christmas set.  But they made a huge improvement!  The 5 Star runs smooth, quiet, plenty of traction, and with the Lionchief App, you have a whole other level of control that makes this set that much more fun.  My 4 year old son and I are loving it.  Specially with its bell and air whistle tone control.  Best feature ever!!!

 Enjoy the pictures of the General running around our current Christmas Layout dubbed "Carpetland"

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pdxtrains posted:

John, that's great to see! I have the Mickey set as well, and have stayed away from this because of the jerkiness of that loco! Thanks for the update!

Pdxtrains, glad to see another fellow Oregonian around these parts!  Reporting to you live from Bend

Got any good model railroad shops on your end of the Cascades you can recommend?  The 1 shop here in town is very, bleh....

Now I'm really curious to try the updated Mickey's Christmas train with Bluetooth to see if the recent updates, such as what they did to the Five Star, also helped the Mickey 4-4-0.  Luckily, you can find the updated Loco and tender for sale on eBay.  I enjoyed the Mickey 4-4-0 for Christmas very much, aside from its jerkyness and loud humming at low speeds.  So I decided to gut it and try to make it look closer to the #1 engine at Disneyland:  The C.K. Holliday IMG_20180106_183840IMG_20180106_203405IMG_20180103_203624

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John:

Whistle Stop and Hobby Smith are two great train stores here in PDX.

I have the newer Bluetooth version of Mickey and it's still either FAST or DEAD STOP.

I love your Disneyland buildings! Did you build them, or purchase? If you bought, may I ask where?

 

pdxtrains posted:

John:

Whistle Stop and Hobby Smith are two great train stores here in PDX.

I have the newer Bluetooth version of Mickey and it's still either FAST or DEAD STOP.

I love your Disneyland buildings! Did you build them, or purchase? If you bought, may I ask where?

 

Bummer about the newer Mickey Train.  Might be time to crack open the 5* General and look for differences in motors/gears.  I can't imagine its electronics.  But anything is possible I guess. 

I follow the Whistle Stop on FB.  They have great customer service over the phone.  Just wish they had an online store to make things easier to shop for here in our state.

"Carpetlands" buildings consist of different Christmas Village buildings and Disneyland toy sets.  The Main St. station is the old HO sized Disney World plastic model you can still find on eBay.  The Castle is a playset still available through Disney online.  Main St. is made up of various exclusive buildings sold at the parks or now eBay.  Some of them being Department 56 items.  And the mountain you see pictures was my first attempt at the Matterhorn which is scratch built.  Here's a link to Carpetlands youtube videos.  Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/channe...w?view_as=subscriber

Nobody has any info for the gunfighter car? Pulling that many cars I also have to ask, is the Generals shell cast metal. Even with the power and weight of a heavy Pulmore, my Generals dont have the traction to pull that many cars.

"Still trying to not shoot my eye out"

 

"Nursing insomnia one railcar at a time"

My aroma therapy? Smoke Pellets.

 





Adriatic posted:
Nobody has any info for the gunfighter car? Pulling that many cars I also have to ask, is the Generals shell cast metal. Even with the power and weight of a heavy Pulmore, my Generals dont have the traction to pull that many cars.

Hi,

The Sheriff and Outlaw cars that I have are from 2008.  Trainz has them once and a while.   This was their description for the one I won:

This is a Lionel 36856 Western and Atlantic Sheriff and Outlaw Operating Car from 2008. Features include die-cast metal trucks and operating couplers, two figures alternately bob up and down through the roof openings as the car rolls down the track nicely simulating a gunfight. It also has a metal frame. It measures 9 inches long and the minimum curve radius is O-27.

Manufacturer: Lionel
Model Number: 6-36856
Years Manufactured: 2008 - 2008
Road Name: W&ARR
Original MSRP: $74.99

I won it for $35, after ten bids! shipping was about $11 and there is that buyers premium.  I won a few other items that week, so my actual unit shipping cost was lower.   

I also have the Outlaw car from the 2017 catalog, its red and still in the box. 

Dave B, from Tacoma, WA, TCA #14-70330

 

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Thank you Brewman.

  The post war gunfighter car is one of my 2 favorites. I always liked the W&A yellow though, and one of my two Generals kinda needs a gunfight to be "right" in my eyes.

  The later Gunfighter cars I had seen got remade with a simple teeter-totter mech vs a cam and gearing. The floating action wasn't nearly as nice as the cam action. Watching the video, I was surprised to see what looked like cam action gearing where the desperado ducks with a firm "clack" that I always perceived as our sheriff's gun firing   Can you say if the mech is the same as PW. I'd love to have some extra parts too. Just in case of course, because mine has never had an issue in 50+ years of regular use.

Are these 5-Star engine's cast metal shells?

   I just can't get over all the cars it is managing. Mine have the power, but not the traction. I cut off the cow catcher at the pilot beam on one and added a coupler to the front truck to double head two in order to get more than just 5-6 cars moving without slipping.

   If you need more passenger cars for the era, MTH has made some W&A cars too fyi. Different look, colors, etc., but still the right look for the era.

"Still trying to not shoot my eye out"

 

"Nursing insomnia one railcar at a time"

My aroma therapy? Smoke Pellets.

 





It must be the traction tires. I have run every General up till the James Gang version and always thought magnetraction would have done them all a world of good. I never understood why it was never redone with it. I cant think of any engine it was more effective on, so the tires must help tons. Any idea on exact weight? The MPC Pulmor R.I.&P. General weighs in at 1.5 lbs on the nose.

"Still trying to not shoot my eye out"

 

"Nursing insomnia one railcar at a time"

My aroma therapy? Smoke Pellets.

 





Adriatic posted:
It must be the traction tires. I have run every General up till the James Gang version and always thought magnetraction would have done them all a world of good. I never understood why it was never redone with it. I cant think of any engine it was more effective on, so the tires must help tons. Any idea on exact weight? The MPC Pulmor R.I.&P. General weighs in at 1.5 lbs on the nose.

No idea on the weight.  But if I can track down a scale, i'll see what it weighs in at.

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