Hi, I'm interested in buying one of these cars. Thanks, Dave
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rthomps posted:For someone who "doesn't care" and is sarcastic about and is hyper-critical of Lionel for this offering, I would think that the - what?? - dozen posts you've made on this subject would have come at some great personal angst.
Time to let "to each his own" be the dictum of this hobby.
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LOL!!! Never read more into a post than what's there. 
All we're doing is suggesting some of us have been down this road before, and the fun of the chase will vary from person to person... just as it should. That's what makes the world go 'round. But if you find your first ever "never to be produced again Lionel York boxcar" is worth $20 in a few years, you won't need to think too hard when you ask yourself, "Where have I heard that before?". 
And if you don't care what it's worth down the road, that's probably the healthiest outlook you could have. Just enjoy it for what it is... and forget about the money. If nothing else, my Lionel 5712 woodside reefer is still a good conversation piece. So I suspect the 50 "lucky enthusiasts" who got this boxcar will have fun stories to tell as well for years to come. 
David
I find it a bit bizarre that those who bought the car haven't mentioned its collector value (or lack thereof), or what it might or might not be worth 20 years from now. And those are critical of the car being offered are obsessed with the projected lack of collector value. Jeremiah much, anyone? 
Pretty much anyone who has been in the hobby a while knows that except for vintage mint antique trains of some types, there is little or no investment value in toy trains. That said, you usually can get some of your money back, unlike greens fees, movie and theatre tickets, trips to Bali and one's childrens' wedding costs.
ed h posted:The first one I've seen listed on the auction site went for $500 last night.
Ed,
A 2nd one when via Buy It Now this morning for $470.
Stu
And now there is a third car for auction, which is actually the first one sold.
Scotty!!!!!!
Quick!!!
BEAM ME UP!!!!!
THERE'S NO INTELLIGENT LIFE ON THIS THREAD!!!
Richard
Not all that surprising. I remember when the initial Lionel's Century Club boxcar was going for $500 or so for a time, until the market was saturated. This car was made in much smaller quantity, but I'm guessing eventually it will come down in price. But who knows . Certainly enjoy the irritation this must be causing those who were critical of the whole venture, and sympathetic to those who really, really wanted one but couldn't get one. If the goal was to raise the profile of Lionel and the collecting instinct in the hobby for a time, it seems to have worked.
Not all that surprising. I remember when the initial Lionel's Century Club boxcar was going for $500 or so for a time, until the market was saturated.
Put another way, the demand was satiated. There were only so many people who were willing to pay $500. Then the price dropped to whatever the highest dollar the next person would pay. Louis Hertz wrote about this in the book: Toy Collector. Its still a good read.
There has been one of those boxcars at the last few shows I've attended. No box, but it is in excellent condition. No interest at $25.00.
As for this 2017 York boxcar: I am not surprised that the first few are selling in the $500 range. We'll see how quickly the price drops.
If the goal was to raise the profile of Lionel and the collecting instinct in the hobby for a time, it seems to have worked.
I predict that we are going to see a lot more super limited production. Nassau Hobby has announced some uncataloged cars. Will they be limited? Only time will tell.
This business practice certainly has raised the profile of Lionel. Over time we'll learn whether it was in a positive or a negative way.
Richard Gonzales posted:Scotty!!!!!!
Quick!!!
BEAM ME UP!!!!!
THERE'S NO INTELLIGENT LIFE ON THIS THREAD!!!
Richard
Yet you continue to feel the need to comment.... on a thread for which you supposedly have no interest in the product nor cognizance of how anybody could actually desire one of these cars.
Do you go to the Natty Boh thread and ask how anyone could ever consider paying even a small premium for "just another" beer reefer?
I thought not.
Landsteiner posted:... Certainly enjoy the irritation this must be causing those who were critical of the whole venture, and sympathetic to those who really, really wanted one but couldn't get one. If the goal was to raise the profile of Lionel and the collecting instinct in the hobby for a time, it seems to have worked.
As is so typical, you read much more into other people's posts than they EVER intended 
, and you state it in such a way as if you know what's in their mind as they post. You really need to restrain yourself from jumping to such inaccurate conclusions.
The last thread on "Lionel's booth" was deleted... most likely because of the frivolous back-and-forth gibberish you got into with another forum member at the end of the thread. So let's at least give this thread some chance of surviving a few days. At the very least, it'll be entertaining to watch history repeat itself despite the cautionary posts that predicted this type of nonsense would occur within a few weeks of April York.
On a positive note, $500 for this boxcar will make $600+ for the VisionLine Tankers 3-pack w/FreightSounds (on the secondary market) look like a bargain!!! 
And we certainly can't have any of that.
David
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I'm just adding a little tongue and cheek hummer to a thread that is a tale told by an ...(I'll be nice) full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
I also fell for something like this back during the madness surrounding the first run of the Lionel Hoods milk car. I had to have one because it was"RARE" , so I shelled out $100 for one! I'm not sure if I could get $25 for that Hoods milk car today. But I wouldn't sale it because it's a good looking car and I like it.
But gee guys, six pages??????
Thanks,
Richard
ed h posted:The first one I've seen listed on the auction site went for $500 last night.
WOW! I sold out way too cheap at 250.00!
But it paid for my gas and meals!
I hope they offer another in October.
"As is so typical, you read much more into other people's posts than they EVER intended , and you state it in such a way as if you know what's in their mind as they post. You really need to restrain yourself from jumping to such inaccurate conclusions.
Perceptions are interesting. Mine differ from yours. Perhaps you don't realize the degree to which you come across as caustically critical of others and their tastes. As for restraint, you might want to practice what you preach. You evidently are unaware of how boring and annoying your "Lionel is screwing us" posts have gotten. The same old same, same old for years now. You may not think you come across as irritated or angry, but you do. To me and a fair number of others I'm absolutely certain. The fact that you don't feel irritated or angry is pretty much irrelevant. You are a killjoy in your present mode of commentary. That's how you come across at least some of the time.
Landsteiner posted:"As is so typical, you read much more into other people's posts than they EVER intended
Perceptions are interesting. Mine differ from yours. Perhaps you don't realize the degree to which you come across as caustically critical of others and their tastes. As for restraint, you might want to practice what you preach. You evidently are unaware of how boring and annoying your "Lionel is screwing us" posts have gotten. The same old same, same old for years now. You may not think you come across as irritated or angry, but you do. To me and a fair number of others I'm absolutely certain. The fact that you don't feel irritated or angry is pretty much irrelevant. You are a killjoy in your present mode of commentary. That's how you come across at least some of the time.
Well, there you go again... This is exactly the kind of BS that got the "Lionel booth" thread deleted. God help us if you chime in on enough threads, the entire forum will disappear into a black hole. 
David
A $25 Car sold for $500 eh! As I stated in a earlier post, too many suckers with too much money.
I don't blame the sellers I blame the buyers with more money then brains.
I am the seller of the $470 boxcar. Initially I was going to keep this car because of my acquaintance with Sarah at Lionel (she designed this car). But I had the opportunity to purchase a 1650 postwar set in excellent condition with all the individual boxes and paperwork + a Lionel 6-18607 UP grey steam engine with box for $350. I am an easy mark when it comes to Lionel postwar military sets, as if I needed another set. Without sounding too selfish, it worked out for me.
das boot posted:I am the seller of the $470 boxcar. ... Without sounding too selfish, it worked out for me.
You owe nobody here any apologies! You do what you gotta do in life. And if the market is willing to pay top dollar (at a given point in time) for something you have, then consider yourself lucky you were able to get that top dollar now -- especially if it can be leveraged for another purchase you wanted.
Most of us here are big boys and girls, so we know how the game is played. And contrary to how some folks choose to misrepresent our posts, there are no naysayers or killjoys here. All we're saying is be careful of the "price curves" for these kinds of toys, since we never really know when the bottom will fall out. And notice I said WHEN and not IF -- because the bottom WILL fall out at one point or another.
Whether it's a 5712 reefer; or a 6464 Edition One 3-pack of re-issues; or a Southern Pacific Black Widow FM; or an 8407 Southern Pacific GS-4 steamer; or one of several separate-sale aluminum vista dome cars or dining cars; or even some F3 B-units produced in notably small numbers -- just to name several well-known Lionel MPC/LTI-era jewels that once fetched nose-bleed premium prices and would now barely even garner a second glance from today's buyers -- history has a pretty good way of giving us a strong hint at what will happen with this Lionel York boxcar too after the initial frenzy to own one dies down.
It's certainly not the finer side of this hobby when a buyer needs to pay 10X the original price of a plastic boxcar in less than one month's time. But nobody's holding a gun to the buyer's head either to pay that premium price. The folks who really "lose out" are the enthusiasts who REALLY wanted one because they truly liked it... and could easily have owned one at the original price if Lionel would have decided to take orders for the car rather than create an artificial shortage overnight and play enthusiasts like an orchestra.
Whatever... it's all water under the bridge now. We did say this was all predictable though, right?
David
I am the seller of the $470 boxcar. Initially I was going to keep this car because of my acquaintance with Sarah at Lionel (she designed this car). But I had the opportunity to purchase a 1650 postwar set in excellent condition with all the individual boxes and paperwork + a Lionel 6-18607 UP grey steam engine with box for $350. I am an easy mark when it comes to Lionel postwar military sets, as if I needed another set. Without sounding too selfish, it worked out for me.
Good for you!
The price hit a point where you decided the car wasn't interesting enough to keep when the money could be used elsewhere.
While there are some things that I wouldn't sell at any price, there are things I've sold because the money I received was better spent elsewhere.
You got $470? That's awesome. Don't apologize for anything. You got the cash and the buyer got a car he wanted. Everyone is happy. So many people want to rain on somebody's parade anymore. I swear folks go through these threads to see how they can try to ruin someone's moment of zen. We get it you don't like the car, you wouldn't buy the car, it's too expensive for you, whatever but folks obviously do. Das Boot made someone happy because they got a car and he got a train.
People really love to tell folks how to spend their money.
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People really love to tell folks how to spend their money." Ain't it the truth. Isn't there a Constitutional amendment protecting this?
Telling people how to spend their money is almost as popular as people telling Lionel and MTH how to run their companies .
And slightly more popular than self-appointed forum moderator posts. This includes forum scolds and Solomonic pronouncement specialists.
Perhaps there should be ratings or badges?
Nah.
Perhaps every time one says something critical of another person's way of doing things, there would be a compulsory $1.00 donation to the Lionel food drive?
Perhaps every time one says something critical of another person's way of doing things, there would be a compulsory $1.00 donation to the Lionel food drive?
LOL, and $5.00 for correcting spelling, grammar or punctuation.
It appears that Charlie Ro got the first three cars. Here is the EBay listing for the first car.
ed h posted:And now there is a third car for auction, which is actually the first one sold.
And notice that then one advertised as 1st one sold is being sold by a dealer from the Orange Hall. If Lionel does this again they have to rethink a way to keep this from happening.
david1 posted:A $25 Car sold for $500 eh! As I stated in a earlier post, too many suckers with too much money.
I don't blame the sellers I blame the buyers with more money then brains.
Thanks for your insight. We're all better off from knowing the true nature of the buyers even though I'm sure you haven't met one and have no idea why they wanted the car. SAD!
C W Burfle posted:It appears that Charlie Ro got the first three cars. Here is the EBay listing for the first car.
How about we just say it's item 222514720518?
We know actual links to ebay make threads go away. I deleted the link from my quote.
-Dave
We know ebay links make threads go away. I deleted the link from my quote.
Not in my experience.
Threads with EBay references go away when people start belittling the seller, the bidders, or the lot itself.
And folks are not allowed to shill for items they are selling.
Always a fan of these threads with so many differing opinions. What I wish is that some of these buyers who seem to pay an outrageous price for an item could contribute to the forum and 'tell their story' as to why a certain item was worth it to them. Reliving a childhood memory? Completing a one of a kind collection? Completing a set(box mentioned in another thread)? A 1 of 50 car to a die hard Lionel collector might very well be worth $500, but of course there may be only five folks who really desire the car and are willing to pay. When the sixth car shows up on eBay, it may very well sit there at $25 and never sell. It will be interesting at the next York - 'Second in the York series of Lionel collectable boxcars. Only 50 made! Missed out on the first car? Check on eBay - maybe you can get one for $500:>). Stampeding through the doors; fist fights breaking out - next day on eBay - Lionel York collectable boxcars nos ONE and TWO. Starting bid - your first born child!
In this day and age, I'd say spending $500 for a boxcar is one of the more innocent and most harmless ways that a person can make himself happy with that kind of money.
And if a dealer managed to score a good profit, more power to him. I don't begrudge any dealer who serves our market whatever profit they can make however they can make it. Selling model trains, especially O scale, is far from the easy road to riches. We are lucky that, for the most part, we have great dealers serving our hobby. I want them to do well.
C W Burfle posted:It appears that Charlie Ro got the first three cars.
Well, thats only fair.
RadioRon wrote: Well, thats only fair.
At least they had to wait in line.
From the EBay listing:
The staff of Charles Ro Supply Co were 1st in line at the York TCA show.
We picked up the 1st three boxcars sold at the show. We are currently listing the 1st one purchased at the show and will include a letter stating that this is the 1st one ever sold.
I didn't read six pages but the bottom line here is greed. And the Ro staff had no business being in line ahead of the members. Buying the car just to resell deprived some of getting something they really wanted to keep.
This thread only convinced me to sell my car and that's what I just did. Now I did not sell it crazy but I did sell it for more than I paid for it. I was on the fence to keep it anyway I rather it go to someone who collect it then sit on my shelf never to be run
RadioRon posted:C W Burfle posted:It appears that Charlie Ro got the first three cars.
Well, thats only fair.
Sarcasm, no doubt. At least I hope so. 
Chris Lord posted:david1 posted:A $25 Car sold for $500 eh! As I stated in a earlier post, too many suckers with too much money.
I don't blame the sellers I blame the buyers with more money then brains.
Thanks for your insight. We'll all better off from knowing the true nature of the buyers even though I'm sure you haven't met one and have no idea why they wanted the car. SAD!
We continue to get those that are "wiser" telling the masses of unfortunate boobs how to spend money in this hobby. It's not unlike a certain poster that posts a continual barrage (and usually lengthy at that) of obvious toy train "market" conditions while maintaining that the posts are for our enlightenment.
As for me & as stated before ... I did get in line and buy one of the box cars. I'm not selling however. 
rthomps posted:It's not unlike a certain poster that posts a continual barrage (and usually lengthy at that) of obvious toy train "market" conditions while maintaining that the posts are for our enlightenment.
LOL! Wonder who that is? I doubt anyone needs more than one guess!
Should be getting close to seven pages. As I predicted - correctly - way back on page whatever, Lionel's getting their money's worth on this thread.
Wow yes seven pages!!!!
Seems like some people aren't happy unless they are b****ing about something, and those people are happy all the time.
It's just a boxcar. Get over it.
Perhaps Lionel can now produce small quantity runs for the train clubs? Currently they need 300 or more for a run.
Small volume runs for S guage club cars?
DOC posted:Creating a collectors item. No thanks. Lionel has been good at doing that for years . Some of them collector item you can't give away now. Just like most convention cars.
Good point. I know a guy who had a bunch of G scale event cars he'd take to shows and nobody would even pick them up.
I also know of a HO modeler who has an entire long train of boxcars that are all re-painted show cars that he picked up for pennies on the dollar.
PHILA posted:Perhaps Lionel can now produce small quantity runs for the train clubs? Currently they need 300 or more for a run.
Small volume runs for S guage club cars?
100 minimum for LionScale.
