Missouri Pacific Lines Let’s see them.

Rusty

How about Missouri Pacific Passenger Cars ? Williams Set..

@lee drennen posted:

Born and raised in Missouri and living for years just feet from a Missouri Pacific branch line

Hey, me too!

@trainnerd posted:

How about Missouri Pacific Passenger Cars ? Williams Set..

Not Williams but Lionel passenger cars...

Standard Gauge

Sunset/3rd Rail E6 AB with MTH 20-65108 passenger cars

@trainnerd posted:

How about Missouri Pacific Passenger Cars ? Williams Set..

Most definitely

Nice pics Mike! Thanks for sharing. What part of Missouri are you from?

Here’s a old MPC/ Lionel GP7 I Custom built back in 2015 when my O scale layout was first started.  I regret selling it.

Bad joke on my part.  On a serious note, I do have MOPAC cylindrical hoppers by Atlas in 2 rail.  I just don't have photos of them yet.

i have the Williams Madison Style Passenger Set...Brand New..for sale.

Well I thought this car has the MOPAC logo on it.  I was wrong!

@GG1 4877 posted:

Well I thought this car has the MOPAC logo on it.  I was wrong!

Hey it counts reporting marks are still Missouri Pacific glad you posted it.

USRA Mike #1310 leads a through freight around the curve out of Notch Junction and around the curve heading toward the deck girder bridges over North Indian Creek:

IGN Berkshire #1125 (modified MPC-era Mike) in the same place:

M.P. Caboose #922 (Modified K-Line) fresh from the paintshop passing the farm heading into Notch Junction:

@palallin posted:

USRA Mike #1310 leads a through freight around the curve out of Notch Junction and around the curve heading toward the deck girder bridges over North Indian Creek:

IGN Berkshire #1125 (modified MPC-era Mike) in the same place:

M.P. Caboose #922 (Modified K-Line) fresh from the paintshop passing the farm heading into Notch Junction:

Nice custom caboose. Thanks for posting. Is that Indian Creek outside of Potosi, Mo. I use to haul ore out of the mines near Indian Creek on hwy 185.

Thank you!

No, the North Indian Creek here is one of tributaries of the White River, now partly underneath the waters of Table Rock Lake.  There is an extensive backstory to my layout founded in my own personal and family history in addition to my serious interest in the Ozarks and their history.

I do have an interest in the old Lead Belt area, too, actually, and a previous layout of mine was meant to represent the Iron Mountain.  I am in the midst of a project kitbashing an ex-Iron Mountain 4-8-0--well, it has lain fallow for over a year now for various reasons, but I *will* finish it someday.

Emd F-7

@palallin posted:

Thank you!

No, the North Indian Creek here is one of tributaries of the White River, now partly underneath the waters of Table Rock Lake.  There is an extensive backstory to my layout founded in my own personal and family history in addition to my serious interest in the Ozarks and their history.

I do have an interest in the old Lead Belt area, too, actually, and a previous layout of mine was meant to represent the Iron Mountain.  I am in the midst of a project kitbashing an ex-Iron Mountain 4-8-0--well, it has lain fallow for over a year now for various reasons, but I *will* finish it someday.

Your welcome hope to see you get going on the Iron Mountain RR I’ve lived in the Lead Belt area all my life. I also have fished in the Indian Creek outside of Branson beautiful country

Am a fan of the MoPac, due to its striking early covered wagons (E units) and tremendous variety of cabooses, especially side doors, drovers, etc.  Have run around in Mo. photoing its water mills, including a  beautiful site visited, Falling Spring. 

Recent Lionel Legacy AA acquisition with some older passengers cars converted to Kadees and LED lighting.......

A rare newish Diesel for me a Lionel 6-8562, GP 20 with repainted Missouri Pacific SP style Caboose in background

Charlie

I grew up in St. Louis in the 1930s, 40s, and early 50s.  The MP was one of my favorites. Attached are photos of the real MP together with a couple from my layout. Enjoy.

@lewrail posted:

I grew up in St. Louis in the 1930s, 40s, and early 50s.  The MP was one of my favorites. Attached are photos of the real MP together with a couple from my layout. Enjoy.

Lew thanks for posting very nice pics of the real thing and your layout. The first pic is that along Hwy 40 near downtown looks familiar. I work in St Louis driving a tractor trailer pulling  rail containers and I love working in the city.

B unit to go with Richie C's Alcos

Surprisingly, the Ozark Midland & Southern Railway  headquartered in Springfield, Missouri only has two Missouri Pacific locomotives a Lionel Alco FA-FB-FA Set and this:

Some of my Missouri Pacific power with some MKT mixed in.

Atlas GP15 and GP35

Atlas GP35, GP15, GP35

Atlas MP Canary SD40's and MTH SD40-2

Atlas GP35, U23, MP15

Atlas U23, Weaver GP40, MTH GP38-2

Atlas SD40 Canaries, MTH SD40-2's

Atlas U23, Weaver GP40

Atlas Canary SD40, MTH SD40-2's, MTH U30C, MTH SD50, Atlas Caboose

Atlas Canary SD40's, MTH SD40-2's

Atlas U23, Weaver GP40, MTH GP38-2, MTH 2 Bay ACF Hoppers

MTH SD40-2

Texas Eagle 77  Nice roster of MOPAC power.  Very cool indeed!

Bill B.

MTH F3's and MTH Streamlined Passenger Cars on my Club's Layout

Only one MoPac item l have,  yet, was  model of gas electric #651 built, in three rail, from an American Standard Car Co. Kit . Will find photos or reshoot and post .  Would love to have some models of the wild variety of MoPac cabooses, and some smaller steam power.  Front view of #651 , MoPac gas electric (far left) was found. Other include steam coach, in middle, and bashed K-Line MU, far right .

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My contribution to Missouri Pacific

Took this yesterday in DeSoto Missouri. These were once Screaming Eagles. Engine 802 was MoPac 2302 and Engine 828 was MoPac 2328.

Thanks for your comment Lee.  The photo I took of the Baldwin Baby Face is pretty rare. I think the MoPac had only 2 3 unit sets of those brutes.  Anyone interested in my other MP photos can find them in lewrail.rrpicturearchives.net. Let me double check and see if the link works. Lew

MTH SD-50 and MTH Offset Hoppers on Club Layout

Lee - always willing to help but I don't have much in the way of MP rolling stock or loco's.  Here are some pictures... I apologize after all these beautiful "scale" pictures, but Marx makes up a lot of my collection and so that is what I can share.

Here is a local switch job, caboose hop.

Here is an actual Marx set (except that the Marx truck is my add, the original had two tractors) and it was called..."The Eagle"

I do have a MoPac Cattle car that is reasonably realistic, but I don't have a picture at the moment.  I will make one and post it later.

Best Wishes

Don

@Don McErlean posted:

Lee - always willing to help but I don't have much in the way of MP rolling stock or loco's.  Here are some pictures... I apologize after all these beautiful "scale" pictures, but Marx makes up a lot of my collection and so that is what I can share.

Here is a local switch job, caboose hop.

Here is an actual Marx set (except that the Marx truck is my add, the original had two tractors) and it was called..."The Eagle"

I do have a MoPac Cattle car that is reasonably realistic, but I don't have a picture at the moment.  I will make one and post it later.

Best Wishes

Don

Don don’t apologize your rolling stock and power looks great I’m glad you posted it. Thanks for stopping by.

@Kevin1 posted:

That’s a cool looking boxcar. Thanks for posting

great box car, not glamorous but I like the look.

@lewrail posted:

I grew up in St. Louis in the 1930s, 40s, and early 50s.  The MP was one of my favorites. Attached are photos of the real MP together with a couple from my layout. Enjoy.

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As a fellow St. Louis area guy, I was trying to place those first pictures posed by lewrail.  The one I include above looks to be just south of the St. Louis Union Station.  You can see the "Y" track structure that leads into the train shed in the top right quadrant of the picture.   

Below I took a screen shot of a Google streetview on S. 18th street.  You can see the red brick building that was in the center of the "Y" is still there.  You can also see a hint of the top of the train shed, and the clock tower of the majestic Union Station in the background.

@lewrail posted:

Thanks for your comment Lee.  The photo I took of the Baldwin Baby Face is pretty rare. I think the MoPac had only 2 3 unit sets of those brutes.  Anyone interested in my other MP photos can find them in lewrail.rrpicturearchives.net. Let me double check and see if the link works. Lew

Lewis, you have a wonderful collection of photos on your site you list above.  I just starting looking through them, thanks for sharing!

A few more of my MP roster.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

A few more of my MP roster.

Very nice thanks for posting more pics.

Bought this old Lionel/ MPC GP7 last week along with some MoPac Hoppers

Eagle Merchandise Cars

The mention of the lead mining area of Missouri might be of interest here. My Dad's older brother died of a rail road incident at Herculaneum, MO., in Nov. 1915. His foot was caught in a frog and the train passed over him. Here is a history of that area which includes mention of the Mississippi River & Bonne Terre Railway, which eventually became part of MoPac.

Herculaneum, Missouri - Wikipedia

Mississippi River and Bonne Terre Railway - Wikipedia

Here is an associated link to another railroad which contains vintage pictures including a two axel caboose.

http://www.mopac.org/store/boo...ri-illinois-railroad

Fantasy MP scheme (silver trucks) based on the handsome Gilbert American Flyer MP Alco PA's with Williams aluminum cars repainted to match the F3s. Lionel 2353's painted by Steve Latta - Nostalgia Train Works 25+ years ago! He also did the 2343's on the lower track. They were particularly nice with the thin red stripes separating the yellow and dark blue.

I miss my layout!

@c.sam posted:

Fantasy MP scheme (silver trucks) based on the handsome Gilbert American Flyer MP Alco PA's with Williams aluminum cars repainted to match the F3s. Lionel 2353's painted by Steve Latta - Nostalgia Train Works 25+ years ago! He also did the 2343's on the lower track. They were particularly nice with the thin red stripes separating the yellow and dark blue.

I miss my layout!

Fantasy or not, those are just beautiful!!

Not to steal the thread but this N&W / MoPac car has had me puzzled. Looks like an N&W car, right? But look closely at the upper right and the second picture. For the MoPac experts, what was the relationship between N&W and MoPac for moving refrigerated items? Or is this an imaginary car?

BTW, the K-Line box calls it:

A short sequence of a MoPac local under the charge of USRA Mike #1310 rounding the curve at Notch Junction (aka Bethlehem).  In tow are MP boxcar #45112, Frisco boxcars #128528 & #17826, T&P flatcar #9828 & stock car #24042, MoPac stock car #52428, and MoPac caboose #922.

I have a set of Brand New Williams M.P. Passenger Car Set for sale...if anyone is interested.

Patrick. This is the 3rd time you've mentioned these cars - Why don't you post a photo or two?

Williams BL2 at the engine house ...

Well my offerings for MoPac are very humble indeed, but I will post them here just for the fun of seeing them with all your beautiful scale items.

Here is the Marx #54099  MoPac operating cattle car from 1956-57.  There is a mechanical trip under the car which when activated opens the door and pushes a cow partially out the exit.

Here is the Marx #800 GE 70 ton switcher and the matching Marx #1231 MoPac caboose.

Well that's about it for my MoPac equipment.  Best wishes for a great new year!

Don

@palallin posted:

M.P. Caboose #922 (Modified K-Line) fresh from the paintshop passing the farm heading into Notch Junction:

Nice! What paint did you use?

Thank you!

Honestly, I don't remember:  I did this car years ago.  I *think* it was a Krylon color.  If I can find it, I will post again; sorry that I don't have it at my fingertips.

@hokie71 posted:

Not to steal the thread but this N&W / MoPac car has had me puzzled. Looks like an N&W car, right? But look closely at the upper right and the second picture. For the MoPac experts, what was the relationship between N&W and MoPac for moving refrigerated items? Or is this an imaginary car?

BTW, the K-Line box calls it:

I am not an expert, but I will try to address the question. American Refrigerator Transit was a long time joint venture between the Wabash and Missouri Pacific railroads. A some point in the nineteen-sixties the Wabash was merged into the Norfolk & Western. This car represents the post merger period with N&W acting as as a successor to Wabash under the agreement. Hence the reason for N&W signage on this car.  Models of the ART cars usually have Wabash markings rather than N&W.  Pat B.

Thank you, that makes sense and connects the dots. I don't think I would have figured that out.

Here my MPC Lionel GP7 making a  short run I really like this Engine

Love the Mop. It's one of my "Foundational Four" (+1) that I used to guide my "Kansas City & Gulf" freelanced theme.

The Mop's blue and gray was classic. I really like the way some of the blue/gray engines weathered. I also liked the Jenks Blue. LOVED the way it faded/weathered so fast.

(I like weathering.)

From my folders:

Andre

@laming posted:

Love the Mop. It's one of my "Foundational Four" (+1) that I used to guide my "Kansas City & Gulf" freelanced theme.

Andre

MoPac, Frisco, ATSF and UP?

MPC operating MoPac boxcar on top row to the left is all I have in MoPac livery.....

Peter

@laming posted:

Love the Mop. It's one of my "Foundational Four" (+1) that I used to guide my "Kansas City & Gulf" freelanced theme.

The Mop's blue and gray was classic. I really like the way some of the blue/gray engines weathered. I also liked the Jenks Blue. LOVED the way it faded/weathered so fast.

(I like weathering.)

From my folders:

Andre

Andre, I have three words for your pics: Grimy! Grungy! Gorgeous!  Pat B.

@Putnam Division posted:

MPC operating MoPac boxcar on top row to the left is all I have in MoPac livery.....

Peter

Peter, Your Eagle LCL Boxcar needs to be on the rails on the "Put" earning revenue.  BTW your new train room is looking great.  Pat B.

@lpb007 posted:

Peter, Your Eagle LCL Boxcar needs to be on the rails on the "Put" earning revenue.  BTW your new train room is looking great.  Pat B.

Pat......Thank you!

A regret from York Oct 2021 was a O scale 50' Lionel MoPac boxcar in the same livery.....$20....when I went back, it was gone.....

Peter

This just popped up on my radar so I’ll drop a couple of contributions.

Atlas On left. Remaining are 3rd Rail.  NDM on right is for Aztec Eagle - Mexico continuation of Texas EAGLE  MTH U30s

Rusty

Here's a few more shots of my MoPac fleet.

Here is some MoPac equipment I see our on the real line around Austin. Lot's steel coal hoppers out there still.

Oh, I wish I could find the few snapshots I took back in the 1960s of MoPac passenger trains in Austin. Failing that - same location as many of Texas Eagle 77's pix, when I took the Texas Eagle in 2013.

I have an Atlas GP7 MoPac on order. Should arrive in the next month or so.

David

Well I’ll throw in a modest twist. Here’s a nice pic of Missouri Pacific subsidiary Texas & Pacific. Orange is Atlas GP7 and blue is 3rd Rail GP9. I really like the two paired together.

Atlas did a decent job with Swamp Holly Orange.

@palallin posted:

Atlas did a decent job with Swamp Holly Orange.

It’s Very Nice and the color IS Correct.
I wish I would have been able to get an unpowered unit too. I Almost missed the powered unit. I found a Last one in stock and had to pay full MSRP for it. That was a burn but I was Pleased to score one !!!

Third shelf up from the floor left hand side there is a A-A set of American Flyer Missouri Pacific diesels.

I repainted and decaled a panel-side gondola for subsidiary Missouri-Illinois over the winter. Nice feature of the thin sheet metal sides of this model is you can prototypically dent them.

~Chris

I’ll expand this thread just a bit and include MPs subsidiary T&P. I do this as I Finally after Many Years scored a Nice MTH T&P caboose. So Pleased !!!!!  The hunt continues for a MP caboose 🤔                             Nice MP and T&P cabooses are              SO  Scarce !!!

Wow! Totally forgot about this thread until it got bumped back up onto the radar!

I see I missed some replies/question, so let me make like frog and hop to it...

jacobpaul81:

Concerning my comment about my "Foundational Four" railroads I used to guide my decisions about my proto/free lanced "Kansas City & Gulf" theme, you asked this:

"MoPac, Frisco, ATSF and UP?"

You got half of it right!

Actually, it was four lines that were regional to the area I have lived in since moving from KC MO in January of '69: The Arklahoma region of western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. Specifically, the Ozark and Ouachita mountains that lays over the AR/OK border. (I've lived in the eastern OK portion since May of '90.)

Those lines are: The Frisco, the Missouri Pacific, the Rock Island, and the Kansas City Southern.

I also take a look at how the Missouri-Kansas-Texas (the "Katy") did things, for they run along side my region, too. However, the "Foundataional Four" are the ones that determine "go-no go" on whether I incorporate an idea into my KC&G theme.

Pat B said:

"Andre, I have three words for your pics: Grimy! Grungy! Gorgeous!"

As I said, I loved the way the blue and gray of the Mop weathered. (The Jenks Blue scheme did, too.)

With the Mop being part of my "Foundational Four" that I use to guide my decisions concerning my proto/free lanced HO scale KC&G theme, I chose colors that are very close to what the Mop used for their blue and gray scheme. However, I did lighten the blue and the gray to better suit typical layout lighting. Also, my paint schemes reflect the Mop (hood units) as we as the Frisco (cab units).

Here's a pic of tatty KC&G #255 idling alongside the small engine house at the mountain town of Ozarka, Arkansas. Does the paint scheme and colors remind you of the Mop? That was intentional!

Andre

Here’s a MP “local”.  

3rd Rail MP Alco PA, Atlas T&P Mail Storage, Golden Gate Depot T&P baggage, GGD MP heavyweight coach

Time for a bit more MP !!!!

L to R / 3rd Rail GP9 (actually T&P), Atlas GP7, Atlas F3

My only piece of MoPac in my collection is a FM publicity piece , showing  Train Master in MoPac colors ... that’d be a sharp looking piece and would cause a few questions , on a layout ...

i have no record in my FM files of the Train Masters demonstrating on the MoPac ...

Thought l had posted this MoPac gas electric, but see a lot of photos "blanked".  May have caboose to add...should have a lot, given this road's fantastic variety, but don't.

This engine and caboose are my only MPs.

Lionel 6-8562, GP 20 with repainted Missouri Pacific SP style Caboose in background.  The GP 20 works good on my 027 curves and 31 Marx 027, metal frog 1590 switches.

Charlie

Horrors!  I have two C&S cabooses, that l found trucks on a Mullet River side door had zinkpested, so l had to replace, but found l have no known MP cabooses (unless one of side doors l accumulated over years out of junk boxes) is a model of one.  Did Mullet River offer any MP kits?  Haven't seen an O MP brass caboose ...there is that once common Hallmark related T&P brass side door, but MP?C&S and Burlington used some of same cabooses; any chance T&P and related MP used that same side door?

"When all else fails, read the directions", so l went to the Michels MP caboose book.  Hundreds of cabooses in history of the MP, and its several affiliates. MP had connections in south, the C&El in eastern Illinois, and assorted other subsidiaries. A number of brass HO cabooses are shown, but none of the many side doors, combine cabooses, and drovers of the MP.  The list is so long, with photos of many similar side doors, that l can only guess which one might match the Hallmark T&P O scale version. An MP expert might know.

Have you tried to take your question directly to Michaels. He seems to be the doctor when it comes to MP cabeese.  Pat B.

Did anybody on the forum buy the Sunshine special engine and cars Lionel offered a few years back?   If so, I'd love to see pics (as opposed to the catalog guesstimations).

@palallin posted:

Did anybody on the forum buy the Sunshine special engine and cars Lionel offered a few years back?   If so, I'd love to see pics (as opposed to the catalog guesstimations).

I think @TrainBub has them.

Palallin, I bought the seven cars offered most recently: the set of 4, the set of 2, and the diner. I missed out on the earlier release of the Sunshine Special RPO and the Missouri Pacific Northern. I also have several Atlas MP and TP express refers that might look good in this train. I am out of town for another two weeks, but have hoped to post photos of that train and perhaps another one or two MP themed trains in this thread. The best I can do at this point to lead this train is a SP Northern 3751 (No Bueno) or a MP Mikado. If I had the MP Northern, I would try to run a second Section with the Mikado. In this thread I maybe able to run an E-6 Texas Eagle, a coal drag, or a mixed freight. But not for two weeks. Pat B.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

I think @TrainBub has them.

I wish I did but I missed those. ☹️
MikeH does though. Let’s see if we can get him to post some pix.

OOPS !!!! I just scrolled back and he DID post a few pix of the Sunshine Special !!!

@MikeH posted:

Hey, me too!

Not Williams but Lionel passenger cars...

Nice train. Just noticed the dark green windows, does Lionel install them now in everything? Or can you get clear ones? Thx.

@BobbyD posted:

Nice train. Just noticed the dark green windows, does Lionel install them now in everything? Or can you get clear ones? Thx.

I'm not sure if they install them on everything but they do install them quite a bit.  Swapping them for some clear plastic would be easy.  It doesn't bother me so I'm keeping them as-is.

@MikeH posted:

I'm not sure if they install them on everything but they do install them quite a bit.  Swapping them for some clear plastic would be easy.  It doesn't bother me so I'm keeping them as-is.

Wouldn't change them out if I had that set either, was just thinking our older set has clear windows and wondering how they would look mixed together.

@colorado hirailer can you post pictures of the one you think might be MP?

Was recently in Kansas City, MO for school, picked up this Vision Line boxcar as a souvenir. Sorry for the bad pic I have it packed away in my suitcase and don’t really want to take it out.

I’ve posted this in the “Midwest Monday” thread - so in case you missed it  - here’s what I call a nice “portrait”.

3rd Rail MP E6 “A” / Run 1

I believe there were only about 10 of these (3 rail and 2 rail combined) in Run 1, even less “B” units.  3rd Rail E5, 6  Run 2 is currently being executed and hopefully could be finished near end of this year(?). MP is again being done in this paint scheme And Also in Jenks Blue. A side-by-side “family portrait” will be presented then. Great Fun !!!

Cheers 😜

Texas Eagle:. I can't find quickly my Hallmark brass T&P "muley" caboose, but found an ATSF brass side door that l doubt has an MP twin.

I have finally completed my MPC MoPac/T&P cataloged offerings train:

Great thread!  I grew up not far from DeSoto and had friends and relatives that worked at the Mopac car shops.  Years ago I'd chase trains over at Dupo, IL and around the St Louis metro area.  I'm slowly building up an O scale roster for retirement (most of my collection is N scale).  Here are a few pics of some things I have.  A modified Weaver GP38-2, a kit-bashed short bay window caboose, a rural depot in MP trim, and one of my Atlas GP15-1s.

@Tim Mc posted:

Great thread!  I grew up not far from DeSoto and had friends and relatives that worked at the Mopac car shops.  Years ago I'd chase trains over at Dupo, IL and around the St Louis metro area.  I'm slowly building up an O scale roster for retirement (most of my collection is N scale).  Here are a few pics of some things I have.  A modified Weaver GP38-2, a kit-bashed short bay window caboose, a rural depot in MP trim, and one of my Atlas GP15-1s.

Welcome to the MP blog Tim !!!  Nice contribution.  It would be cool to tell us how you kit-bashed the Very Nice caboose. It’s Regrettable No One Does these.        You have made something quite unique for MP. 👍👍👍

Some older glimpses of MoPac action on the Austin Tinplate Trackers layout.

Ricky, What model is the caboose in your third picture? Pat B.

A few more pics of my 2-Rail MP rolling stock.  I added some notes in case someone is trying to find one of them.

Atlas 45' trailers on an Atlas 89' flat car:

Atlas 60' excess height boxcar:

Atlas cylindrical hopper:

Weaver quad hopper:

Weaver reefer (w/sound):

Weaver hopper with PRB brass bottom:

Atlas wide-vision caboose modified & painted for Mopac (Atlas special edition caboose in MP in the background):

Shot of office loop with Atlas GP15-1s & MP15DC under a 3M Scotchlite Mopac cab logo:

Here's a link to one of my Mopac short bay window cabooses, based on an Atlas frame, trucks and wiring:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...7#151069472785394557