GGD Missouri Pacific EAGLES. (MP T&P passenger trains)

E5, E6 now up for reservations !!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to step up for the MP E6. I believe only 10 A and 7 B Total (3 and 2 rail combined)  in Run 1.  No Jenks Blue option yet. 😖☹️😑.  Email Scott if you was a Jenks option !!!! Never done before !!!!  

PS Scott’s posted all the production pix to see. 👍👍👍 Nice.

YAY !!!!!! 👍😛😜🙂🙃👍  
Jenks Blue E6 just offered up for reservations. I’ve now just placed my reservation for a Jenk AB. It will be cool to have this to go with my MP E6 run1 AB !!!!!!  I hope the numbers needed for this beauty to fly are achieved. Never done in “O”.
Thanks Scott !!!!!!!

So my reservation for the 8-car set is in! I ordered the MoPac AB E6 diesels as well plus one Jenks blue A unit. I also ordered some extra run through cars. I would also love to see some Jenks blue add on cars offered, maybe a coach, dome, 10-6 & 14-4 sleepers.

If ordering an original E6 AB consist and Jenks, order specific road numbers to avoid “running “ the same train.
Numberings for the two AB
Initially 7002, 7002B  / later 11, 11B
Initially 7003, 7003B  / later 12, 12B  
I have  7003, 7003B.  I’ve now reserved Jenks 11, 11B.
They were renumbered when repainted later in Jenks blue.  
Reference  
“Missouri Pacific Diesel Power” by Kevin EuDaly. Page 27.
When you take delivery, check your boxes to make sure you have matched pair    But !!!!! … take both units out of box !!! to make Really sure one has a matched    pair !!!!  Always be cautious. Mixups can happen.
Cheers !!!!

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

So my reservation for the 8-car set is in! I ordered the MoPac AB E6 diesels as well plus one Jenks blue A unit. I also ordered some extra run through cars. I would also love to see some Jenks blue add on cars offered, maybe a coach, dome, 10-6 & 14-4 sleepers.

Thanks for “joining” with your EAGLE reservation !!!! A Double Thanks for your Jenks reservation !!!!!!  It will be Cool to have the Jenks E6 - Never done in “O” !!!!!  Email Scott that you want Jenks cars too.
Cheers 🙂🙂🙂

Its great that the E6 is now offered in Jenks. I’m sure interested in some Jenks extras too !!!!  Email Scott if you also want Jenks extras !!!  
Just to “split some hairs” - I think the photos of the two earlier Jenks models are a bit on the dark side - - a bit tending to blackish. I don’t know if the models are Really that dark or if the photography drove it that way. See my two MP Jenks images here. One is a MTH Premier model and the other is an Atlas Trainman model.  The colors are definitely lighter than the earlier posted models. I think these two images nicely represent Jenks Blue. IMO.  Lighting makes a difference.
Cheers

@TrainBub posted:

E5, E6 now up for reservations !!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to step up for the MP E6. I believe only 10 A and 7 B Total (3 and 2 rail combined)  in Run 1.  No Jenks Blue option yet. 😖☹️😑.  Email Scott if you was a Jenks option !!!! Never done before !!!!  

PS Scott’s posted all the production pix to see. 👍👍👍 Nice.

Give me a link to see the pictures and update reservation list.

thanks

bob

@Bob Harris posted:

Give me a link to see the pictures and update reservation list.

thanks

bob

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Here is just a copy of 3rd Rail web page showing offerings. (Hmmm. Doesn’t copy very nice. Sorry)  
Both MP Eagle  and Jenks paint schemes Now offered !!!!!!!!!!!!!          
Go to web page to see “real deal” with link to reservation page.  There are 2 MP options for both A and B - Eagle colors and Jenks Blue.   The GGD webpage for the EAGLE passenger cars shows that the E6 is available for reservations but there is no link to the 3rd Rail webpage to reserve. You need to navigate that yourself.

Cheers 🙂👍

Well Missouri Pacific fans. 3rd Rail MP E6s in Eagle colors are heading into   production !!!!

MP E6 AB in JENKS BLUE Is Also Being  Produced !!!!!!  
Last chance on the Jenks. Time to step up !! IMO - I don’t think you’ll ever see a Jenks E6 done again !!!

Cheers  !!!!!!

Here are some 3rd Rail Missouri Pacific diesels in action! Imagine a train of GGD Eagle cars behind them!!!

Great video !!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Very nice operation and a well done layout! Even if it’s Mop and not T&P motive power!

If l was buying diesels, the Eagles E's as well as the also beautiful Rock Islands on the same page in the 1941 Loco. Cyclopdia would be them.  But l would like to know, since the diesels were in this 1941 book, were any of the Eagle cars  running in MoPac trains in 1940?  And if not, what was? And skimming back in this posting, l didn't see the Eagles introductory date settled (1941-42??)

@Griff Murphey posted:

Very nice operation and a well done layout! Even if it’s Mop and not T&P motive power!

Well Griff, here’s a small mixed train that’ll kind of get you there until the EAGLE cars arrive.
MP Alco PA “A” / 3rd Rail, T&P Mail Storage / Atlas, T&P Baggage Heavyweight / Golden Gate Depot, MP Coach Heavyweight / GGD 🙂🙂🙂

Thanks! I confess I have an MTH Mop Eagle dome car I’ve run with my old CTT  T&P Eagle standards.

Waiting for that EAGLE consist ……..               😜

Hi everyone.

What a fascinating thread! Thanks to everyone who has posted!

Can I fire off a few questions please, as I'm pretty new to the MP/T&P and loving trains that ran 4,500 plus miles away from home isn't always easy...lol.

Are the cars all marked with the generic 'The Eagle' with owner's marks just at the car ends, or are the cars lettered for individual named trains?

Did MP and T&P cars get mixed up in the various Eagles, so effectively they were 'pool' cars or did each road keep it's own set of cars? (I'm modelling mid-late 50s here).

Will the dome be the PS or Budd version?

Was the grill-chair car a later conversion or part of the original 40s set?

I've tried to research as much as I can in  booksi have here but the information varies tremendously or in the case of Dorin's book leaves gaps.🤦‍♂️

MANY thanks for any help or pointers you can offer.

(Oooh...has anyone asked Scott about doing the GP7 in MP two tone blue and grey scheme...or did T&P locos get used over the MP system?).

@Steve Adby posted:

Hi everyone.

What a fascinating thread! Thanks to everyone who has posted!

Can I fire off a few questions please, as I'm pretty new to the MP/T&P and loving trains that ran 4,500 plus miles away from home isn't always easy...lol.

Are the cars all marked with the generic 'The Eagle' with owner's marks just at the car ends, or are the cars lettered for individual named trains?

Did MP and T&P cars get mixed up in the various Eagles, so effectively they were 'pool' cars or did each road keep it's own set of cars? (I'm modelling mid-late 50s here).

Will the dome be the PS or Budd version?

Was the grill-chair car a later conversion or part of the original 40s set?

I've tried to research as much as I can in  booksi have here but the information varies tremendously or in the case of Dorin's book leaves gaps.🤦‍♂️

MANY thanks for any help or pointers you can offer.

(Oooh...has anyone asked Scott about doing the GP7 in MP two tone blue and grey scheme...or did T&P locos get used over the MP system?).

Lots of good questions. I’ll do my best to answer them - and add some other info if appropriate.
There are TWO different 1950’s Texas Eagle trains consists being offered, one for Missouri Pacific ((MP) and one for Texas & Pacific (T&P). T&P was a MP subsidiary but Often acted independently - especially when ordering cars. This has made my research exceptionally complicated.
All cars had “The Eagle” on the letter-board and small ownership initials were posted by the car door. Though just guessing, I would assume cars got mixed between the two roads just on the basis of car availability and All the Different Destinations. For example, A train leaving St. Louis could have cars going to Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and El Paso. The consist was split up in Texas into smaller trains. Dining cars came and went depending on destinations and needs. Car names were specific to MP or T&P but not all cars had names - some just numbers. Complicated. There were pool cars though I’ve stayed away from those in the offering. The Budd dome cars were Colorado Eagle cars and did not run in the Texas Eagle trains.
Thru sleepers from Pennsylvania and B&O ran on the Eagle painted in Eagle colors, Small letters by the door the only clue of ownership. A National de Mexico also could be seen. It stood out as it was Not painted in Eagle colors. Certain specific Named MP and T&P thru sleepers would be seen on these Three roads. The NdM had the Texas Eagle extended to Mexico City as the Aztec Eagle. The Eagle 5BR- Lounge cars actually were assigned for a time to the B&O National Ltd and we’re used as an “end of train” car in Eagle paint - and has been pictured with a B&O drumhead.

Scott initially offered 2 MP and 2 T&P GPs all in different paint schemes.  Only the blue/white T&P had enough (barely !!!) reservations to be made.

I’ll revisit this reply and add to it a bit later.

Incidentally I’ve almost finished my Hallmark Texas & Pacific Muley Caboose. Thanks first to Tom Stamey who facilitated my acquisition of the car and as the Dean of T&P knowledge supplied reference photos and interior plans plus did the Decaling. Second huge thanks to master O scaler Dr. Mike Walter who invented a novel third rail pickup hidden by the underframe and who also wired the interior lighting. I scratch built the bunks, cupola risers and seats, conductor’s desk, locker, water barrel, coal stove (PNW resin), ice box, and washstand. According to Tom Stamey there was no toilet and crews could be seen relieving themselves out of the back door; lighting was by kerosene type lamps. He objected a bit to the bright interior light but I want the interior visible. My figures are converted 1/48 military figures, the Brakie is a Monogram B-17 mechanic with western hat. Mike Walter says that it is the first time he has seen a scale brass car converted to three rail.

Griff,    
What a cool project. Nice to have a unique 3 rail T&P caboose !!!! 👍👍👍

PS You need to get Tom Stamey to contribute to this EAGLE thread !!! 🤔

Thanks! Here’s a shot of the stove

@TrainBub posted:

Waiting for that EAGLE consist ……..               😜

Are these the new ones?

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

Are these the new ones?

No these are run 1. Run 2 are anticipated November- ish. We are getting close. 😜
I look for delivery in January. IMO of course. Run 2 will be in both Eagle colors And in Jenks blue.
Reservations are closed ….. But ….. a “standby reservation” is available if someone fail to pay/cancels their reservation. It happens.

Cheers 🙂

Good to see life coming back to

this thread. Anybody know when production will begin on the Eagles?

No idea where this falls in the production schedule but the set is in design which means it is a real project.  I am personally interested in the Budd Built NdeM sleepers.  Same 6 wheel trucks that went under the Super Domes and the El Capitan Diner due to the rougher track conditions in Mexico.  I will be ordering one or two of those even though I have nothing to pull with them just because they are so unique.

@GG1 4877 posted:

No idea where this falls in the production schedule but the set is in design which means it is a real project.  I am personally interested in the Budd Built NdeM sleepers.  Same 6 wheel trucks that went under the Super Domes and the El Capitan Diner due to the rougher track conditions in Mexico.  I will be ordering one or two of those even though I have nothing to pull with them just because they are so unique.

Oh that is an interesting car. I may add one to my reservation. I’m particularly interested in the run through possibilities with this set. Seems to me the following is true:

The B&O 10-5 sleepers, The MoPac bedroom lounge sleeper, Plus the B&O & MoPac slumbercoaches ran through on the B&O national limited.

The PRR 10-6 sleepers & 10-5 sleepers ran through on the PRR Penn-Texas.

The New York Central Southwestern limited also carried MoPac sleepers, just not sure which ones. Anybody have more details about that?

also Anybody know how far North the NdeM 10-6 sleepers traveled? Would they be run through to New York?

I believe this is going to be an unbelievable set. A Raymond loewy scheme that’s just as pretty as the PRR FOM & the NP two tone green. Just not nearly as famous. And such a complex RR operation. It will be fun trying to replicate all this switching.... I may need to also reserve a Jenks GP7

@GG1 4877 posted:

No idea where this falls in the production schedule but the set is in design which means it is a real project.  I am personally interested in the Budd Built NdeM sleepers.  Same 6 wheel trucks that went under the Super Domes and the El Capitan Diner due to the rougher track conditions in Mexico.  I will be ordering one or two of those even though I have nothing to pull with them just because they are so unique.

Jonathan,    
Thanks for letting the EAGLE fans have a “heads up” that the set is “in design which means it’s a real project”.  It’s great that the project is moving along.  Reservations are Still Wide Open !!! 👍👍👍

And if anyone is interested, the TRRA HS will be issuing a new book in November or December this year on the N de M “Aztec  Eagle “ - the continuation of the Texas Eagle to Mexico City. I’m anxiously awaiting that issue. I’ve found that N de M info is tough to find.

I believe the NdeM cars ran through to St. Louis, but that is based on limited knowledge and research.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I believe the NdeM cars ran through to St. Louis, but that is based on limited knowledge and research.

What are the chances of getting Scott to do some Jenks blue add-on cars, coaches, domes, & sleepers? A few of us have asked and so far notta....

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

What are the chances of getting Scott to do some Jenks blue add-on cars, coaches, domes, & sleepers? A few of us have asked and so far notta....

This one is not my project other than acting in a QA / QC role, but I can pass that on.  Adding some paint schemes should be easy .... except when it's not.

Ordered my NdeM sleeper today.  I'll run it behind some Viewliners to make the Amtrak fans heads explode.

@GG1 4877 posted:

This one is not my project other than acting in a QA / QC role, but I can pass that on.  Adding some paint schemes should be easy .... except when it's not.

Ordered my NdeM sleeper today.  I'll run it behind some Viewliners to make the Amtrak fans heads explode.

Gotya, thanks in advance for passing it on. Yes definitely run that NdeM car with your Amtrak! 🤪 I look forward to that.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I believe the NdeM cars ran through to St. Louis, but that is based on limited knowledge and research.

The NdeM cars Did run thru to St. Louis Union Station - but not beyond.  Occasional they are shown in a consist or in a yard. Though pictures Are scarce, the sleepers stand out with their very different paint scheme. Sometime they are visible but not noted.

The NdeM sleepers were purchased from the NYC. In fact 10-5s we’re purchased first, then later 10-6s.
I anticipate Scott will offer 4 or 5 named 10-6 cars if someone reserved that many. If there is Any interest in having 10-5 sleepers Added to the offering, I Strongly suggest you ask him Via Email to Add those sleepers to the offering and let him know how many you would like to reserve. Numbers count !!! Beyond the Eagle, this is an opportunity for N deM fans to add multiple cars to their budding ((pun ? No) consists. Down the road, I think you could see Scott  offer N de M cars in the next heavyweight offering - IMO of course.

@TrainBub posted:

The NdeM sleepers were purchased from the NYC. In fact 10-5s we’re purchased first, then later 10-6s.
I anticipate Scott will offer 4 or 5 named 10-6 cars if someone reserved that many. If there is Any interest in having 10-5 sleepers Added to the offering, I Strongly suggest you ask him Via Email to Add those sleepers to the offering and let him know how many you would like to reserve. Numbers count !!! Beyond the Eagle, this is an opportunity for N deM fans to add multiple cars to their budding ((pun ? No) consists. Down the road, I think you could see Scott  offer N de M cars in the next heavyweight offering - IMO of course.

10-5’s are already being offered as B&O run through cars.

A response for Steve Adby … continued.  

There’s not a lot of MP and T&P reference  books / information out there. You can search for them via “Abe Books” or Ron’s Books or even occasionally Amazon will turn up a surprise. My primary keys have been  
*Missouri Pacific Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment by Kinkaid *Pullmans to St. Louis/ TRRA of St. Louis H and T Society Issue 63, 2003  
*Route of the Eagles by Stout  
*Missouri Pacific Passenger Trains by Dorin.
* Missouri Pacific Historical Society
These will load you up for starters with info but there are information gaps, omissions, and at times conflicting information.

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

10-5’s are already being offered as B&O run through cars.

That’s why they can be an Easy addition to the offering - if enough people request a NdeM 10-5 !!!!😜😜😜  Email Scott to add a NdeM 10-5 to the offering.

@TrainBub posted:

That’s why they can be an Easy addition to the offering - if enough people request a NdeM 10-5 !!!!😜😜😜  Email Scott to add a NdeM 10-5 to the offering.

PRR too....... 🙃

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

PRR too....... 🙃

Some of the 10-5’s were different car designs than other road name’s 10-5’s. I believe PRR was one that is NOT the same as the others.

@BigJohn&theWork posted:

Some of the 10-5’s were different car designs than other road name’s 10-5’s. I believe PRR was one that is NOT the same as the others.

Ah, got it. Well I did reserve a PRR 10-6... that will definitely do. 🙃

@TrainBub posted:

Lots of good questions. I’ll do my best to answer them - and add some other info if appropriate.
There are TWO different 1950’s Texas Eagle trains consists being offered, one for Missouri Pacific ((MP) and one for Texas & Pacific (T&P). T&P was a MP subsidiary but Often acted independently - especially when ordering cars. This has made my research exceptionally complicated.
All cars had “The Eagle” on the letter-board and small ownership initials were posted by the car door. Though just guessing, I would assume cars got mixed between the two roads just on the basis of car availability and All the Different Destinations. For example, A train leaving St. Louis could have cars going to Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and El Paso. The consist was split up in Texas into smaller trains. Dining cars came and went depending on destinations and needs. Car names were specific to MP or T&P but not all cars had names - some just numbers. Complicated. There were pool cars though I’ve stayed away from those in the offering. The Budd dome cars were Colorado Eagle cars and did not run in the Texas Eagle trains.
Thru sleepers from Pennsylvania and B&O ran on the Eagle painted in Eagle colors, Small letters by the door the only clue of ownership. A National de Mexico also could be seen. It stood out as it was Not painted in Eagle colors. Certain specific Named MP and T&P thru sleepers would be seen on these Three roads. The NdM had the Texas Eagle extended to Mexico City as the Aztec Eagle. The Eagle 5BR- Lounge cars actually were assigned for a time to the B&O National Ltd and we’re used as an “end of train” car in Eagle paint - and has been pictured with a B&O drumhead.

Scott initially offered 2 MP and 2 T&P GPs all in different paint schemes.  Only the blue/white T&P had enough (barely !!!) reservations to be made.

I’ll revisit this reply and add to it a bit later.

Good heavens! Thank you SO much for such a comprehensive reply. It really is a fascinating and complicated thing, isn't it! (It makes SF's Texas-California service look like a walk in the park...lol).

I truly appreciate the time and trouble you have taken here. I've the Stout and Dorin passenger service books currently here, with the 'MP through passenger car service's on it's way, plus the book on MP motive power which is a start, but your message here answers the questions I couldn't find in the books.

Did motive power get mixed around like the cars, or did it stay very much more on 'home tracks'? I'm wondering if I can get away with a T&P Geep pulling a predominantly MP train of Eagle cars?

Thank you very much again!

Steve

@Steve Adby posted:

Good heavens! Thank you SO much for such a comprehensive reply. It really is a fascinating and complicated thing, isn't it! (It makes SF's Texas-California service look like a walk in the park...lol).

I truly appreciate the time and trouble you have taken here. I've the Stout and Dorin passenger service books currently here, with the 'MP through passenger car service's on it's way, plus the book on MP motive power which is a start, but your message here answers the questions I couldn't find in the books.

Did motive power get mixed around like the cars, or did it stay very much more on 'home tracks'? I'm wondering if I can get away with a T&P Geep pulling a predominantly MP train of Eagle cars?

Thank you very much again!

Steve

MP and T&P strived to use their own diesels on their own rails … but it didn’t always work out that way. Probably because of scheduled maintenance or equipment failure, or what worked for an “extra” to relieve period heavy bookings - like holidays. I find it fun spotting a T&P engine pulling into St. Louis Union Station. Past peak passenger days one might see a GP providing power with an E unit - probably an indication of a failure of an aging E unit. And I’ve seen pix of GPs on point with small consists near the end of service. A power mix was more likely to be found later with mail/express trains that might have a large head end group of cars with only a couple of coach’s on the tail end. Really though, if all you have is a GP, that’s fine.  It’s yours and have some fun. Watch for Passenger diesels for sale on eBay and watch the O Gauge forum “for sale” section (you never know what might show up). Take a “back up” reservation for the 3rd Rail E6 MP offering (reservations are closed - production limited to those that placed orders). If someone backs out, Scott uses a back up reservation for a sale.
And I’m sure Scott will offer new runs of passenger diesels down the road. I believe they are the best - I’ve upgraded to them from other manufacturers models when he does them.

@TrainBub posted:

MP and T&P strived to use their own diesels on their own rails … but it didn’t always work out that way. Probably because of scheduled maintenance or equipment failure, or what worked for an “extra” to relieve period heavy bookings - like holidays. I find it fun spotting a T&P engine pulling into St. Louis Union Station. Past peak passenger days one might see a GP providing power with an E unit - probably an indication of a failure of an aging E unit. And I’ve seen pix of GPs on point with small consists near the end of service. A power mix was more likely to be found later with mail/express trains that might have a large head end group of cars with only a couple of coach’s on the tail end. Really though, if all you have is a GP, that’s fine.  It’s yours and have some fun. Watch for Passenger diesels for sale on eBay and watch the O Gauge forum “for sale” section (you never know what might show up). Take a “back up” reservation for the 3rd Rail E6 MP offering (reservations are closed - production limited to those that placed orders). If someone backs out, Scott uses a back up reservation for a sale.
And I’m sure Scott will offer new runs of passenger diesels down the road. I believe they are the best - I’ve upgraded to them from other manufacturers models when he does them.

Thank you again. You've been really helpful!

Take care.

Steve

@BigJohn&theWork posted:

Here are some 3rd Rail Missouri Pacific diesels in action! Imagine a train of GGD Eagle cars behind them!!!

Joined this thread late.  Who made the M&P white and blue heavyweight passenger cars?

To make things even more itneresting was the use of oil-fired T&P engines "up north" during the big Illinois coal strike.

@FrankRazz posted:

Joined this thread late.  Who made the M&P white and blue heavyweight passenger cars?

Those are a Golden Gate Depot product. They were a special run by Peterson Supply in Oregon. Only coaches were done. The cars are sold out but can sometimes be found in the secondary market.  GGD more recently did T&P green heavyweights of baggage, RPO, diner, and observation. I’ve not seen Any of these in the secondary market.

One of the problems with being a T&P modeler and I think it extends to you Mop Guys is they run the stuff but by the time you hear about it, it’s done and gone. I have the GGD T&P baggage and I certainly enjoy running it with my Lionel sunshine special cars. Wish I could have bought the set…

@Griff Murphey posted:

One of the problems with being a T&P modeler and I think it extends to you Mop Guys is they run the stuff but by the time you hear about it, it’s done and gone. I have the GGD T&P baggage and I certainly enjoy running it with my Lionel sunshine special cars. Wish I could have bought the set…

Well Griff I agree with you. We MP and T&P fans have to be vigilant. There just hasn’t been a lot done in these roads. My timing was poor on those “Sunshine” cars and then they were all gone. ☹️  Now I watch to spot at least a 2 pack of them. Good luck on finding some of the GGD T&P Heavyweights. I haven’t seen Any in the secondary markets. I have a feeling there were Very Few made.  

I hope you’ve made some reservations for the GGD EAGLE !!!!  It IS In Process. You don’t want to miss This One !!! Separate MP and T&P consists. Lots of Extra Options for MP And T&P. Penn, B&O, NdeM Thru sleepers too. As always, multiple numbers/named cars on extras.  

I am “ON” for the T&P’s may weaken and add an NdeM. Not the same era but my parents took their honeymoon to Mexico City in 1936 by train and I have my dad’s 8mm home movies of it. Likely left FW on that train’s immediate predecessor.

Caboose Stop Hobbies has a beautiful Key MP E6 AB set. Still, I think. Nothing beats those!

Steve Goen has a new book coming out about the Missouri Pacific passenger trains in Texas.

Here is the link to his website Texas Zephyr Publishing

I'll be picking up mine at the CentraMod Train Show in Temple, Texas this weekend.

I helped him track down a few pictures for the book.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

Steve Goen has a new book coming out about the Missouri Pacific passenger trains in Texas.

Here is the link to his website Texas Zephyr Publishing

I'll be picking up mine at the CentraMod Train Show in Temple, Texas this weekend.

I helped him track down a few pictures for the book.

I’ve been looking forward to this latest Goen’s book. They are Always good. I’m sure he will demonstrate the complexities of the EAGLE in Texas and hit on the MP - T&P relationship.

I also collect Texas cars and it may interest some that MTH is doing Pearl Beer reefers for Public Delivery Track. Phone is (805) 226-0320. There will be two car numbers. Let’s hope for non modern roller bearing trucks… I had a nice conversation with an MTH customer service rep about Texas and Pacific E units. I gather they sold their E Unit tooling to Atlas. Wrong portholes I can live with - I’m running some “never were” coal fired Texas & Pacific steamer “Models” anyway. It seems every esoteric northeastern road gets something made … everything TP/MP sells out!?! But the manufacturers are prone to ignore success…

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Caboose Stop Hobbies has a beautiful Key MP E6 AB set. Still, I think. Nothing beats those!

I finally figured out what Key means.   

"Give me the key to your car and you can have the locomotives"

Beautiful locomotives.  No doubt.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I finally figured out what Key means.   

"Give me the key to your car and you can have the locomotives"

Beautiful locomotives.  No doubt.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Key models Are beautiful.   👍  

However, For the probable price of the Key MP AB ($4-5K ???) , I could buy 2 3rd Rail MP AB (say an EAGLE and a Jenks) and have some $ left to spend on the coming GGD EAGLE extra cars. “To each his own”. My $ would be for the second option.

IMO of course. 🙂🙂🙂

Drool Drool!  The Sunset MoPac Eagle heavyweights are gorgeous.  I would put a consist behind my Lionel ALCO PAs and leave the streamliners for the MTH E6s. Now if someone could alert me by, say, mental telepathy , even by PM if necessary, if the Eagle scheme heavyweights are ever done again... (fat chance)

@Golden Prairie Railroad posted:

Drool Drool!  The Sunset MoPac Eagle heavyweights are gorgeous.  I would put a consist behind my Lionel ALCO PAs and leave the streamliners for the MTH E6s. Now if someone could alert me by, say, mental telepathy , even by PM if necessary, if the Eagle scheme heavyweights are ever done again... (fat chance)

Hopefully Scott at GGD will eventually do some more heavyweights. A successful EAGLE offering should should incentivize him to include MP and T&P in a heavyweight offering.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

Steve Goen has a new book coming out about the Missouri Pacific passenger trains in Texas.

Here is the link to his website Texas Zephyr Publishing

I'll be picking up mine at the CentraMod Train Show in Temple, Texas this weekend.

I helped him track down a few pictures for the book.

Great to see this. I’ve ordered my copy.
But ….. I’ve read the contents.   No T&P subsidiary. 🫢☹️ Looks like the T&P will get its own book. 🤔  Well I hope it Follows the MP book !!!!!!

@Golden Prairie Railroad posted:

Drool Drool!  The Sunset MoPac Eagle heavyweights are gorgeous.  I would put a consist behind my Lionel ALCO PAs and leave the streamliners for the MTH E6s. Now if someone could alert me by, say, mental telepathy , even by PM if necessary, if the Eagle scheme heavyweights are ever done again... (fat chance)

When GGD announced the EAGLE, I sold my MTH MP passenger cars. So while I await the GGD EAGLE cars, I make do with a pulled together “Extra” mail/express train. Here I use an Atlas F3 AB with a visually pleasing fixed pilot. I pull together MP and T&P cars - mail storage, a merchandise car, baggage mail cars, and express reefers for a cool consist.  When my 3rd Rail MP E6 Jenks is delivered, it will be on the point of another similar consist.

Cheers !!! 😜

@TrainBub posted:

Great to see this. I’ve ordered my copy.
But ….. I’ve read the contents.   No T&P subsidiary. 🫢☹️ Looks like the T&P will get its own book. 🤔  Well I hope it Follows the MP book !!!!!!

I picked up my MoPac book from Steve  today at the show. The next book he will do is the Katy, then should be the Texas & Pacific book.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

I picked up my MoPac book from Steve  today at the show. The next book he will do is the Katy, then should be the Texas & Pacific book.

I wish the T&P was next but at least the Katy is next. (I collect and run it too along with the Frisco)  I hope to have my copy of the MP book by the end of the month 🤔.
I look forward to some new pix and info.
Cheers !!! 🙂

If you are a fan of the Missouri Pacific or passenger trains in general this is a must have book! Steve Goen did an amazing job and included many photos along the Austin Subdivision. This is hot off the press and hit the streets at the Temple, Texas CentraMod Train Show this last weekend. Get yours while you still can. The cover was painted by John Winfield and the original is currently for sale. Please reach out to Steve if you are interested.

If you haven’t yet seen Scotts 3rd Rail / GGD product report - update, check it out in the the three rail scale forum. To jump the gun for you - it Sounds like the EAGLE is next in the production Q (IMO) after the Chessie. Scott says it’s in design and the ACF cars will sport Rivets !!! 😮🫢😳😜 Check it out !!! 😜😜 I’m thinking open reservations time is growing short. Just sayin…..

@T4TT posted:

I had emailed Scott Mann about offering N de M sleepers as add-on cars to this MoPac set.  The sleepers are on the GGD reservation page.


Of course the N de M sleepers will only be produced if there are enough orders.

N de M cars and engines are offered so rarely.  This is a golden opportunity!  If you are interested in these cars please email Scott, sales@goldengatedepot.com or better yet make your reservation today!

thank you!

Scott usually does cars with multiple names/numbers if someone orders more than one car of a type - usually up to four. No repeats of same names and numbers. Order up folks. Chances are you won’t see these offered again !!!

From another Forum thread now closed.  

Scott says    

“ We are working on the design of the "Eagle" cars now. More than 1/2 of these cars were ACF "American Car Foundry" cars, which have riveted sides. Aluminum cars are made by extruding AL through a tool making the sides smooth. Then cutting out the windows and space for the door castings. They generally don't accommodate rivets, only a smooth surface on the sides. We have developed a technique to apply rivets onto the AL so that when the cars are painted, they will have raised rivet patterns on the surface. The "Eagle" cars will be outstanding scale models for sure. These will be produced in 2023. You still have time to reserve your T&P or Mopac "Eagles". You can see the "Eagle" car information page HERE.”

See the test picture of riveted Aluminum body here:

Getting closer Folks !!!!!!
🙂👍

Aztec EAGLE fans. The TRRA of St. Louis H&TS will be releasing this book soon. They’ve just posted this cover. This should be great info about the “continuation” of the Texas Eagle into Mexico.

Cheers !!! 🙂

@TrainBub posted:

Aztec EAGLE fans. The TRRA of St. Louis H&TS will be releasing this book soon. They’ve just posted this cover. This should be great info about the “continuation” of the Texas Eagle into Mexico.

Cheers !!! 🙂

This volume delivered today, 11-18-22.
EXCELLENT !!!!!  
Tons of info I’ve never seen before.

@TrainBub

Hi, how can I get a copy of that Aztec Eagle issue? I would love to have a copy! Thanks!

You can join TRRA H&T Society here.  Or you can order back issues here.

@Bob Harris posted:

Got to have a Baldwin Centipede to pull it

Bob,  FYI the Centipede is in the new TRRA book. I bet you would enjoy the book.

I hope you’ve continued to follow this thread. 🙂

@MikeH posted:

You can join TRRA H&T Society here.  Or you can order back issues here.

Thanks for the links Mike !!!!

Thanks @MikeH

I ordered the N de M edition and several back issues!

@TrainBub posted:

Scott usually does cars with multiple names/numbers if someone orders more than one car of a type - usually up to four. No repeats of same names and numbers. Order up folks. Chances are you won’t see these offered again !!!

I don't know a lot about the Eagle trains, but the N De M cars are really cool. Were these added to the train, or were they part of a separate train completely? If they were add-ons, how many were usually added?

@seank941 posted:

I don't know a lot about the Eagle trains, but the N De M cars are really cool. Were these added to the train, or were they part of a separate train completely? If they were add-ons, how many were usually added?

The NDM sleepers ran in the US from Laredo to St Louis on the MP Texas Eagle  - usually just one at a time. Multiple named cars were used.  They always stood out because of the different paint job. This was different from B&O and Penn sleepers that were painted in MP colors. A sharp eye can spot the NDM cars in the MP books without reading the text.
The point of these sleepers was providing rail connections from New York to Mexico City via St. Louis and Texas. NDM cars did not go east of St. Louis.

Here’s a bit of a tease - my photo from 25 Nov 2022, Museum of Transportation, Kirkwood Mo. (St. Louis County).  Though not prototypical for the Texas Eagle, you can opt to get one of these in the offered GGD 8 car consists.  Separate GGD Missouri Pacific and Texas & Pacific consists are offered - all with unique names / numbered cars.

Cheers 😜

MP and T&P fans. Check out the newly updated/refined GGD Texas Eagle     offering !!! Even 2 different 10-6 cars !!!!

This is shaping up to be GGDs most ambitious passenger train offering !!! 😜

If you are “on the fence”, open reservations time grows short ………😉

@TrainBub posted:

MP and T&P fans. Check out the newly updated/refined GGD Texas Eagle     offering !!! Even 2 different 10-6 cars !!!!

This is shaping up to be GGDs most ambitious passenger train offering !!! 😜

If you are “on the fence”, open reservations time grows short ………😉

The MP 10-6 is Budd with 6 wheel trucks. This will be a nice stand-out car in the MP consist. The T&P 10-6 is Pullman. The interiors are configured differently.
The Budd car with the 6 wheel trucks saw duty south of the border on the Aztec Eagle continuation of the MP Texas Eagle. These trucks provided a better ride on rails that had less maintenance.
The Budd car should be a must have for NDM fans / consist builders !!!

Cheers !!!

A few of the cars Coachyard produced that were excellent, let’s hope for this level, GGD has already and beyond , thanks Mr Mann

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...ouri-Pacific-SLEEPER

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...ouri-Pacific-SLEEPER

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...i-Pacific-10-CAR-SET

And the ideal power, at least for my era 1942-1955ish

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...Missouri-Pacific-E-6

or E7 😁

https://brasstrains.com/Classi...7A-7017-F-P-Blue-Box

https://brasstrains.com/Classi...B-7017B-F-P-Blue-Box

GGD has updated the EAGLE offering on their website !!! 🤔
Check It Out Folks !!!! 😜 👍👍👍

Primed and ready for a MP or T&P Texas EAGLE consist !!!!

They sure look nice 👍

Well here’s a Quick snapshot of todays 3rd Rail MP E6 JENKS delivery. Very Well Executed !!! Some better pix later.          

Well Done Scott !!!! 👍👍👍

😜😜😜

Looks incredible! Can't wait for them to arrive!

T&P congrats…. And ENVY!!

@TrainBub posted:

Well here’s a Quick snapshot of todays 3rd Rail MP E6 JENKS delivery. Very Well Executed !!! Some better pix later.          

Well Done Scott !!!! 👍👍👍

😜😜😜

Looks fantastic! I have a Jenks A plus the original scheme A&B coming. 🙃

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Looks fantastic! I have a Jenks A plus the original scheme A&B coming. 🙃

Make sure the AB numbers match. 👍👍

@TrainBub posted:

Make sure the AB numbers match. 👍👍

Will do

Nice!

I'm in for the B & O and PRR sleepers in MP colors.  These E6s look great!

@BlueFeather posted:

I'm in for the B & O and PRR sleepers in MP colors.  These E6s look great!

Great !!!  
Scott usually will offer as many as 4 unique names or numbered cars in the extra category if needed. However, there are only 2 named B&O 10-5 cars.  

Cheers 🙂

My Jenks “B” arrived a day later so now A few more pix. So cool !!!

MP E6 Eagle and Jenks paint !!! 😜
THANKS Scott !!!!! 👍👍👍

I have a A-B-A Jenks blue that came yesterday. Can’t wait to see them in the flesh!!

My MoPac AB & Jenks A arrive Thursday! 🙃🙃🙃

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

My MoPac AB & Jenks A arrive Thursday! 🙃🙃🙃

They are incredible!!!!

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

My MoPac AB & Jenks A arrive Thursday! 🙃🙃🙃

Be sure to post them when they arrive !!!!!

Well the E6s in Eagle and Jenks paint have been delivered and they Are beautiful. Now…..anyone else beside me like to see the E7s done ??? In both Eagle and Jenks of course. They were dropped in the last E7 run because of the porthole windows would require new tooling - and have the usual low MP, TP reservations. Well the E6 had a good number of reservations (helped along by the Texas Eagle offering) so I would anticipate a similar number of reservations could be anticipated for the E7 - especially with MP AND T&P in the mix. Perhaps also entice some fence sitters to step up.  Larger reservation numbers aught to help cover tooling costs for the portholes (I hope).
What do you say MP and T&P fans ????🤔Email Scott and let him know you’d be in for E7s - MP, T&P, Eagle and Jenks !!!!!!
Cheers !!!!! 😜😜😜

@TrainBub posted:

Well the E6s in Eagle and Jenks paint have been delivered and they Are beautiful. Now…..anyone else beside me like to see the E7s done ??? In both Eagle and Jenks of course. They were dropped in the last E7 run because of the porthole windows would require new tooling - and have the usual low MP, TP reservations. Well the E6 had a good number of reservations (helped along by the Texas Eagle offering) so I would anticipate a similar number of reservations could be anticipated for the E7 - especially with MP AND T&P in the mix. Perhaps also entice some fence sitters to step up.  Larger reservation numbers aught to help cover tooling costs for the portholes (I hope).
What do you say MP and T&P fans ????🤔Email Scott and let him know you’d be in for E7s - MP, T&P, Eagle and Jenks !!!!!!
Cheers !!!!! 😜😜😜

Didn't Kansas City Southern have at least one E7 with round portholes like MP?

Curiosity got the best of me - a quick online check turned up this nice snap of KCS E7 #12 with portholes instead of the rectangular windows on the bulk of E7 production:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/571686/

@MTN posted:

Didn't Kansas City Southern have at least one E7 with round portholes like MP?

Curiosity got the best of me - a quick online check turned up this nice snap of KCS E7 #12 with portholes instead of the rectangular windows on the bulk of E7 production:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/571686/

I checked it out. Nice “snag”. So another porthole addition to go with the MP T&P. Probably the reason KCS wasn’t offered previously.

Any KCS passenger cars match up with MP's fleet - that might get a foot in the door for a porthole E7 if a short KCS trainset could be built up. I wonder if any other roads had a porthole E7.

Hmmm. I see KCS acquired at least 1 from the Maine Central in 1962. MC was an original buyer and had 7. We can add this to the porthole gang though I don’t know how much interest there would be for the MC.

@TrainBub posted:

Hmmm. I see KCS acquired at least 1 from the Maine Central in 1962. MC was an original buyer and had 7. We can add this to the porthole gang though I don’t know how much interest there would be for the MC.

I saw a couple snaps of MEC E7s and they had small square windows, much smaller than the standard rectangular openings most had; there are also MEC snaps showing E7s with the standard rectangular openings - I guess they didn't have any small porthole versions like the MP and KCS owned.

@MTN posted:

I saw a couple snaps of MEC E7s and they had small square windows, much smaller than the standard rectangular openings most had; there are also MEC snaps showing E7s with the standard rectangular openings - I guess they didn't have any small porthole versions like the MP and KCS owned.

I can’t imagine KCS buying a used E7 and adding new porthole windows. But this is not an area of expertise for me. I’ll ask any KCS and MC experts chip in here.

@TrainBub posted:

I can’t imagine KCS buying a used E7 and adding new porthole windows. But this is not an area of expertise for me. I’ll ask any KCS and MC experts chip in here.

Caption with a picture of KCS E7 #12 states it was bought from MEC, but I haven't seen one in an early MEC green/yellow/gold stripe paint scheme similar to the one B&M used (with maroon and yellow/gold striping). Here are links to a couple MEC units:

https://railroadforums.com/for...passenger-power.238/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/478653/

Small/square portholes: http://wxtoad.rrpicturearchive...ture.aspx?id=3552424

I can't find a roster showing how many KCS E7s they owned - did they purchase any new, or were they all from MEC? If they purchased new they could have had the round porthole variant.

To make matters worse, I turned up a b&w shot of KCS #12 with standard rectangular windows - this is certainly screwy: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/571686/

KCS did modify the side panels on both their E6s and E7s after delivery by EMD.  There are photos of both with the original square windows.

Modifications to the side panels of E and F units was pretty common in general.  L&N did a similar modification to their E6 as well as add additional ventilation where windows used to be.  Southern also similarly modified side panels to replace windows with ventilation louvers. 

It was fairly common practice later in life on E8s and E9s to blank the porthole windows all together.

@GG1 4877 posted:

KCS did modify the side panels on both their E6s and E7s after delivery by EMD.  There are photos of both with the original square windows.

Modifications to the side panels of E and F units was pretty common in general.  L&N did a similar modification to their E6 as well as add additional ventilation where windows used to be.  Southern also similarly modified side panels to replace windows with ventilation louvers.

It was fairly common practice later in life on E8s and E9s to blank the porthole windows all together.

Did KCS buy any E7s new, or did they only have the ones they purchased from MEC? There's the b&w shot of KCS #12 with standard rectangular windows, but several color shots showing #12 with the round portholes). There are some snaps of MEC E7s being scrapped and there's a small square window unit next to a standard rectangular window unit (not a round porthole in sight). Did MEC buy any E7s with round portholes? E7s seem to be the most modified of the E unit family (Pennsy had so many modified E7s it would drive rivet counters crazy).

@MTN posted:

Didn't Kansas City Southern have at least one E7 with round portholes like MP?

Curiosity got the best of me - a quick online check turned up this nice snap of KCS E7 #12 with portholes instead of the rectangular windows on the bulk of E7 production:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/571686/

That photo with the round portholes is dated March 1967 - seems odd that KCS would "backdate" #12 to have the round portholes - maybe they had spares from F units on hand?

This is a good “sub-thread” with info that can hopefully have value in a next run of E7s.
👍👍👍🙂🙂🙂

@TrainBub posted:

This is a good “sub-thread” with info that can hopefully have value in a next run of E7s.
👍👍👍🙂🙂🙂

Sorry for veering off course a bit - I thought that perhaps there might be more porthole E7 units out there - if there were several roads that had them, then 3rd Rail might be able to justify doing a run of them. I looked through the Railpictures site and found a later shot of KCS #12 with portholes and no lettering on the side: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/407481/

and no MEC E7 shots with portholes - there are, however a ton of E7 shots with all manner of mods (most involving vents added along the carbody - it looks like E7s needed to have alterations to aid with cooling:

https://www.railpictures.net/s...7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C

@MTN posted:

Sorry for veering off course a bit - I thought that perhaps there might be more porthole E7 units out there - if there were several roads that had them, then 3rd Rail might be able to justify doing a run of them. I looked through the Railpictures site and found a later shot of KCS #12 with portholes and no lettering on the side: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/407481/

and no MEC E7 shots with portholes - there are, however a ton of E7 shots with all manner of mods (most involving vents added along the carbody - it looks like E7s needed to have alterations to aid with cooling:

https://www.railpictures.net/s...7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C

Nice clear picture !!!  
Save your KCS pix for references for the next E7 run. We will need all the portholes we can muster so to speak !!!!

cheers !!!🙂👍

We’re finally Ready !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3D pix of MANY Eagle cars posted on the GGD Webpage !!!!!!!!

Reservations Closing SOON !!!!!!  Now it’s Really Time to Step Up !!!!!!    

Cheers !!! 😜

Wow! Look at all those rivets. Looking forward to this one.

Leon

@Purplepapa posted:

Wow! Look at all those rivets. Looking forward to this one.

Leon

Good eyes Sir. Every one of Each Line was verified via a Clear Photograph and finding them was Tough !!!!    
Notice some lines are double. There’s a periodicity  to all - until it’s not. I’ve strived to be as prototypical correct as possible.
I hope everyone is as excited about this as I am !!!! 😜😜😜

Cheers !!! 🙂

@TrainBub posted:

Good eyes Sir. Every one of Each Line was verified via a Clear Photograph and finding them was Tough !!!!    
Notice some lines are double. There’s a periodicity  to all - until it’s not. I’ve strived to be as prototypical correct as possible.
I hope everyone is as excited about this as I am !!!! 😜😜😜

Cheers !!! 🙂

Your efforts show! I really think this set will be GGD’s best yet.  the detail differences from car to car are unbelievable! I would love to see the pullman sleepers, the grill coach  & the sleeper/ lounge designs.

Are there designs for the 14-4 Sleeper that would sit at the end in lieu of observation car?  Will there be a lighted drumhead in the door window?  Something else signifying end of train?

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Your efforts show! I really think this set will be GGD’s best yet.  the detail differences from car to car are unbelievable! I would love to see the pullman sleepers, the grill coach  & the sleeper/ lounge designs.

Scott picked what to show and it’s quite a few. 🤔 I think Pretty nifty. But what the heck. Be “greedy”. 😳      
Send him an email. 🫣

@NickRiv posted:

Are there designs for the 14-4 Sleeper that would sit at the end in lieu of observation car?  Will there be a lighted drumhead in the door window?  Something else signifying end of train?

First, everyone needs to understand the Texas Eagle did not have an observation car. MP had only 2 and Only ran on Missouri River Eagle. They are only offered here because everyone likes them - usually wants one.
No one took pictures of non-observation MP car tail cars that shows a drumhead. At least I couldn’t find any. Best I found was a folding lattice like gate across rear by the door. So I can’t say if it existed - would be prototypical. There are no plans for a 14-4 drumhead.
The 5BR-lounge (offered as an extra car) is another Possible tail car option. Maybe. Still no MP drumhead. What gets interesting with this car is that it was leased (?) / ran on the B&O National Ltd as a replacement for an observation car. It ran on the NL with MP/T&P Eagle paint with a B&O Drumhead !!! I’ve a picture of this.

So would now be a good time to bring up a few coach cars ...

St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway (StLB&M) Eagle Coach
New Orleans, Texas & Mexico (NOT&M) Eagle Coach

@TrainBub posted:

Well the E6s in Eagle and Jenks paint have been delivered and they Are beautiful. Now…..anyone else beside me like to see the E7s done ??? In both Eagle and Jenks of course. They were dropped in the last E7 run because of the porthole windows would require new tooling - and have the usual low MP, TP reservations. Well the E6 had a good number of reservations (helped along by the Texas Eagle offering) so I would anticipate a similar number of reservations could be anticipated for the E7 - especially with MP AND T&P in the mix. Perhaps also entice some fence sitters to step up.  Larger reservation numbers aught to help cover tooling costs for the portholes (I hope).
What do you say MP and T&P fans ????🤔Email Scott and let him know you’d be in for E7s - MP, T&P, Eagle and Jenks !!!!!!
Cheers !!!!! 😜😜😜

Unfortunately it may have reduced the number of potential purchasers as they have a limited amount of funds and may not want two sets of nearly identical engines. Hopefully they will get produced though, they're stunning.

I will also make a shameless plug for Missouri Pacific owning these gems:

Here a few odds n ends for a heads up on why there are some differences between the MP and T&P consists. Keep in mind that 8 cars for a consist was the desired size. MP and T&P didn’t always buy a given car in same numbers. If MP would buy 10, T&P might buy 1. The coaches were crazy like this. If T&P bought Pullmans, MP bought Budds. MP has 3 domes, T&P just 1.
All This made for problems putting together 8 car consists and still be able to offer extras.  So there are some limitations. For example, I’ll be getting the MP set but will add a T&P Coach and Pullman as these cars are not present in the MP set. They are different cars. Also remember all cars have unique names and/or numbers. There are up to 4 for each if prototypical.  All cars are in “Eagle paint” except the NDM 10-6.  
Head end cars and the Budd 10-6 sleeper have 6 wheel trucks, remaining 4 wheel trucks. The Rivets are prototypically Done (a Lot of work!!!)  Interiors for each type car are unique.
Blinds vary. Bathrooms are closed, lounge, observation, and most exterior passageways are open (sometime a porter might get busy and miss one 🤣🤣🤣), chair areas partial. Bunk beds in dorm should be visible.          
Im sure I’m forgetting some things so ….. more later. 🤔

Cheers !!! 😜

@vash44 posted:

So would now be a good time to bring up a few coach cars ...

St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway (StLB&M) Eagle Coach
New Orleans, Texas & Mexico (NOT&M) Eagle Coach

So many subs - I didn’t Dare cloud the path forward / options. But there is some unfinished business ………. Hopefully ….. one step at a time !!!!!

And don’t anyone forget to reserve the MP SLUMBERCOACH !!!!!  A B&O one Also ran on the Eagle !!!!!!!

@BobbyD posted:

Unfortunately it may have reduced the number of potential purchasers as they have a limited amount of funds and may not want two sets of nearly identical engines. Hopefully they will get produced though, they're stunning.

Not to worry for awhile. At best, it will be some time before these come around again.

Finally got a chance to open up my new Eagle E6's. They match the Pecos River express boxcars very nicely.



Eagle fans. The GGD Texas Eagle is on the threshold of going into production. “Design is complete”. See some car images on the GGD Webpage. Zoom in to check out the Rivets !!! Each line Properly Placed on Each Car !!! The lineup of cars is finalized. (Lists on GGD Website). MP and T&P consists. All unique car names and/or numbers. Lots of Extra cars with up to 4 different per car (if prototypical). Two different coaches. Two different 10-6 sleepers. To get one of each car type, thru sleeper, and an observation car, you will need to reserve an 8 car set and 7 other cars.
This is truly GGD/Scotts most ambitious offering.
Fence sitter Warning !!! Reservations Will Be Closing Soon!!!  Last Chance - Check out the posted final lists and get on board or refine those reservations.
Cheers !!!! 😜

They look fantastic! Wow

While waiting for delivery of streamlined Eagle cars, the MP E6 AB are pressed into service for a “secondary” route.

Consist    
E6 AB 3rd Rail    
REA - GGD
Merchandise Service - Atlas
50’ double door Express - Pecos River    
40’ T&P mail box - Atlas                              70’ Jenks blue Baggage - custom MTH.  
2x heavyweight coach - GGD

Cheers 😜

I ordered an extra NdeM sleeper with my Texas Eagle. How many NdeM cars would normally be in the consist? 1? 2?

Im trying to put an NdeM train together and I was wondering how many MoPac sleepers went all the way to Mexico, was it only 1? I doubt anyone will ever make the full Aztec Eagle in aluminum/plastic, but I'd like to get as many cars as I can.

@Surefire posted:

I ordered an extra NdeM sleeper with my Texas Eagle. How many NdeM cars would normally be in the consist? 1? 2?

These cars were part of an interline service that ran from Mexico City to the east coast. The NDM cars did not go past St. Louis but people changed trains - typically to PRR or B&O to continue their journey. I believe there was 1 NDM sleeper that ran in a consist - but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were exceptions and a 2nd was in use - but that’s only speculation. (There’s Always Exceptions.)  There were groups of cars assigned to the service so they were undoubtedly rotated into the service - allowing downtime for servicing and repairs. Pictures I see are typically in Laredo, San Antonio, or the St Louis MP yard by Union Station.
Check out the Terminal RR Association publication earlier in this thread if you want to do a deep dive with this topic.

I expect NDM fans to be ordering more than one car. (Scott will be doing up to 4 names)  This is a Rare opportunity to get NDM passenger cars.  

Cheers 🙂

For the NDM cars, here is the paint scheme from the 3rd Rail NdeM F3.  I expect the passenger cars will color match this - green with orange stripe.

Will the NdeM cars be in Eagle livery or in NdeM livery? I expect the PRR sleeper will match the Eagle cars.

@HiramO posted:

Will the NdeM cars be in Eagle livery or in NdeM livery? I expect the PRR sleeper will match the Eagle cars.

NDM cars will be in NDM livery.  There is no reference to MP or Eagle on them.
PRR will match the Eagle cars in paint - Identified by small PRR lettering next to the doors replacing the small MP. Of course all these cars will have their own unique car names too. 🙂

@seank941 posted:

Im trying to put an NdeM train together and I was wondering how many MoPac sleepers went all the way to Mexico, was it only 1? I doubt anyone will ever make the full Aztec Eagle in aluminum/plastic, but I'd like to get as many cars as I can.

I think one at a time is a safe answer (though different named cars were rotated into use). I would chose the MP 10-6 Budd. The entry date of the MP streamlined cars into Mexico only happened when NDM moved from heavyweights to Streamlined cars - early 60s.  This was also ABOUT when MP TP began painting cars Jenks blue. This transition of paint couldn’t/didn’t happen All At Once. One can see mixed paints of Eagle and Jenks in consists in the transition period. Cars were repainted when the old paint had weathered - needy ones first. Because of this, it’s Possible the MP 10-6s could have run into Mexico in Eagle colors for a time before being repainted in Jenks blue. Perhaps. (ANY pictures of MP cars in Mexico are Scarce. In the literature, other cars are mentioned but fail to say if heavyweight or streamlined 😖)
I’ll be using an Eagle painted 10-6 in My beginnings of an Aztec Eagle as there are no Jenks cars being offered. Perhaps down the road we will see MP Jenks cars offered.
(Still - Let Scott know You Want these cars).
It would also be nice to see Scott again offer heavyweights !!!!!! (Again - email Scott about heavyweights !!! ) NDM and MP should be included as a good follow on to the Eagle offering. A coach and appropriate sleeper of would be great for a 50s Aztec Eagle. (Coach and sleeper were not offered in the last GGD heavyweight offering) These cars also went into the 60s.
These cars are Another glimpse into the Complex History of the Texas Eagle !!!   Lots of options. Do what You Like !!! Have Fun !!! Cheers !!!!   😉

Brass Heavyweights are always welcome… many, many plans have never been done in O.

There’s a new Eagle thread started by Bob Harris in the 2 rail.

Been deleted

Ok folks. It Officially Posted on the GGD web page.  Fence sitters beware !!!!!!!!!
Eagle production begins in April. “RESERVATIONS CLOSE SOON”.
🙂👍😜😉

@TrainBub posted:

Ok folks. It Officially Posted on the GGD web page.  Fence sitters beware !!!!!!!!!
Eagle production begins in April. “RESERVATIONS CLOSE SOON”.
🙂👍😜😉

I am reluctance to order the Budd sleepers unless then end, change is verified and corrected from the shown Pullman to the Budd style as it should be. Scott told me they could do it. this is when things like this happen and then it tits up oops sorry.

Bob Harris

Hi Folks,

It's that time...  Reservations will be closing on the Eagle Car Project on April 10th. They will be fixing the quantity of cars by ordering parts and we will sign off on the contracted number of cars.

So if you don't want to miss these, reserve your Eagle Set and Extra cars now.

After reservations close on April 10th, new reservations will be Stand-By, meaning they will have to wait for others to cancel their order to get what they reserve. So now is the time, so your order will be confirmed your life will be less complicated.

Closing reservation date is April 10th.

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservationGGD.htm

Hi guys. For anyone sitting on the fence regarding this wonderful project and wondering what is going to pull the train, from a conversation I had with Scott I think we can expect some E units (7s and/or 8s) will be coming before too long!

I am so excited about this train...I keep wanting to add additional cars to my order...lol.

@Steve Adby posted:

Hi guys. For anyone sitting on the fence regarding this wonderful project and wondering what is going to pull the train, from a conversation I had with Scott I think we can expect some E units (7s and/or 8s) will be coming before too long!

I am so excited about this train...I keep wanting to add additional cars to my order...lol.

Good to hear from you Steve and that you are excited about the Eagle. It IS Time to get that ticket punched - the train is about to leave the station !!!!  
There are usually 4 car available in the extra department where prototypical. Even NDM has 4 named cars available.  Some are less - MP had 3 domes, TP 1.
Yes I think Scott is receptive to new runs of E7 and/or E8. Past runs were great but as usual there are always more than my pocketbook can afford at once. Email your preferences to Scott. I’ll be happy with either …. but …. I’d like to see the E7s first with a MP and T&P offering. Those were bypassed in earlier runs because of their portholes required a different mold and reservations were expected to be low (E6 run 1 was less than 10 A and B combined I think). This time I think Eagle owners will want some E7s and reservations should be good.

Cheers.

I wanted a shorter train than 8 cars yes partly for economy but also I’m unlikely to ever have a layout big enough to have need of 8 full length passenger cars adding on the head end stuff. Don’t like it when a train seems to be chasing its tail. Scott said he is selling the fantasy T&P obs (which I want) only with the 8 car set. And I wanted an NdeM sleeper. Oh my… time is short and I can’t make up my mind.

btw I got my repaired 610 back from Scott and it’s just fine!

@Griff Murphey posted:

I wanted a shorter train than 8 cars yes partly for economy but also I’m unlikely to ever have a layout big enough to have need of 8 full length passenger cars adding on the head end stuff. Don’t like it when a train seems to be chasing its tail. Scott said he is selling the fantasy T&P obs (which I want) only with the 8 car set. And I wanted an NdeM sleeper. Oh my… time is short and I can’t make up my mind.

btw I got my repaired 610 back from Scott and it’s just fine!

Great that you got your T&P 610 back in good running order !!!!!! That model is such a Treasure !!!!!!!
I don’t like a train chasing its tail either. 8 cars won’t work for me so I rotate some in and park some on a siding. I’ll use one “A” unit if they are “E”s so I can have more passenger cars. I have 4 GGD green T&P heavyweights (RPO, bag, din, Obs) to mix in if I want too.
You can build a pretty nice T&P consist with the extras Scott is offering.  The single T&P dome should be a must. The TP coach and 10-6 are different from the MP. That’s nice. The 14-4s typically were the end of train. The 5BR-Lounge can be used for end of train too. That’s a 5 “pack” right there.

Just giving you some “food for thought”!!!
Cheers !!! 😉

@Steve Adby posted:

Hi guys. For anyone sitting on the fence regarding this wonderful project and wondering what is going to pull the train, from a conversation I had with Scott I think we can expect some E units (7s and/or 8s) will be coming before too long!

I am so excited about this train...I keep wanting to add additional cars to my order...lol.

I'd like to see PAs done before E7s or E8s.  In addition to Missouri Pacific, I would like a few others. 

@NickRiv posted:

I'd like to see PAs done before E7s or E8s.  In addition to Missouri Pacific, I would like a few others.

+1 me too.  I'm in for two pairs of PAs at least.

PAs please

At least you MP guys have had the MTH Mop PA’s! I dunno how good they were. I have the Mop dome car and have run it with my CTT postwar Eagle color standards. Need T&P E units!

@Griff Murphey posted:

I wanted a shorter train than 8 cars yes partly for economy but also I’m unlikely to ever have a layout big enough to have need of 8 full length passenger cars adding on the head end stuff. Don’t like it when a train seems to be chasing its tail. Scott said he is selling the fantasy T&P obs (which I want) only with the 8 car set. And I wanted an NdeM sleeper. Oh my… time is short and I can’t make up my mind.

btw I got my repaired 610 back from Scott and it’s just fine!

What was wrong with your 610 Griff?

Long sigh…. My buddy Dr. Mike Walter had a TCA open house at his huge O layout. It covers approximate 35x50 or 60 feet. He has a three rail Gargraves-Ross layout in the center set up to run his collectible Lionel. Gorgeous hand laid O scale 2 rail track surrounds it - every tie has a tie plate every tie plate has 2 spikes… Turtle switch machines. Wiring like NASA. I brought the 610 and a T&P freight consist with my newly finished Hallmark Muley caboose which I did the interior and painting on and he did the 3 rail conversion, lit marker lamps, and interior lighting, to show off. Apparently the ZW fried the mother board. Smoke out of the cab 😰. Dead. It’s not supposed to be run over 18v and the rheostat on the zw was racked all the way up. I’ve been told ZWs can put out surges  above the rated 24 v to as high as over 50v. However, years earlier (2018 I think) it had run on that layout safely. 3rd Rail’s test track has an older Lionel command control circuit breaker on it, Scott said.
     Never had a problem running it on my MTH Z-400.
    While we are on the subject  my new Lionel T&P F-7s will not run on the MTH Z-400. Their horn sounds “Nert-nert!” like a kid’s  bike horn. I have a 90’s Lionel B unit with a great, throaty horn I run with my childhood SF F-3s. How come they lost that technology?!?
    I have one of the fantasy mint chocolate color (repaint planned) Lionel T&P 4-6-0’s I had to send it back to Lionel twice to get everything fixed. I put it away and  had not run it in 2 years as my wife passed in 2021 and I have just recently gotten back into trains. Now it runs and whistles but does not chuff, smoke, or blow the “steam” when the whistle is blown - which was a really cool feature. I checked in with Butch at Charles Ro and he suggested I send it in to him said “Lionel won’t take it back now!” So I have it packed but have not sent it out yet. Repair will be at my expense. Keep ‘em running…

@Griff Murphey posted:

At least you MP guys have had the MTH Mop PA’s! I dunno how good they were. I have the Mop dome car and have run it with my CTT postwar Eagle color standards. Need T&P E units!

T&P did not have Alco PAs or E6s so your choices Are E7s and/or E8s.  Scotts done all these diesels but no E7 MP/T&P so my vote is for an E7 run with MP and T&P Included !!!!! Past 3rd Rail issues have been Great !!!  A T&P E8 is in the middle of the below pic.
T&P had no “B”units for 7s or 8s  

Cheers !!! 😉

Yes I knew about the no B units. Interesting as I have a letter written to my grandfather on T&P stationary quoting a ticket from Brownwood to Fort Worth and the art at the top of the page illustrates a train with no B unit.