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just was notified that my MTH 50-1038 - DCS Remote Control - New Version has shipped!!! - with the status of MTH - i was surprised that i would be getting it so soon.  hope it works, on of mine hand units does not light up - no backlight.  Appreciate any comments on the new 50-1038

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just got word from my local tech raymond Manley at rays electric trains that mine have come in. he loaded the latest software version on to the two remotes I purchased and are on my way to house via mail right now. If they check out ok with ray I suspect they are going to be good. how they hold up long term is anyone's guess.

a quick question for those who would know. since the remotes are in and shipping out are the thumb wheel parts in also for the techs? I forgot to ask ray that one. he stated that he was getting more from mth in this next and last run when I ordered them from him. 

I suppose that's not as bad as Peculiar, MO.   I used to drive down from Kansas City to Joplin for a consulting customer.  It was easier to fly into KC and drive down than find a closer airport and deal with connecting flights.  You passed right by Peculiar on the way, I finally had to stop and see how they got that name.   It is certainly... peculiar!

How Peculiar, MO Got Its Name

just got word from my local tech raymond Manley at rays electric trains that mine have come in. he loaded the latest software version on to the two remotes I purchased and are on my way to house via mail right now. If they check out ok with ray I suspect they are going to be good. how they hold up long term is anyone's guess.

a quick question for those who would know. since the remotes are in and shipping out are the thumb wheel parts in also for the techs? I forgot to ask ray that one. he stated that he was getting more from mth in this next and last run when I ordered them from him. 

Hi there, just wanted to share that I do now see the bottom back of the remotes and they do have the 50-1038 (despite the packages showing 50-1002).  Also to just to note, the remotes did already have 6.10 loaded in them, I just confirmed they did in this case.  (In addition to fully testing, I always check/update the version load on TIUs, Remotes, WIUs, etc before shipping and make notes in the official email for later reference if a question comes up later (years down the road) if we need to update them or not.) 

Now that the new remotes are in, I haven't attempted to order additional complete thumb-wheel assemblies. But like what was already stated here in a later post, I do remember receiving the notification from MTH that they would no longer sell the complete assembly as a part.  Based on that I figured it would still be the case and that I wouldn't be able to obtain additional stock even now.

Ray

Ray's Electric Trainworks

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My LHS has the thumbwheel and cradle

but

it seems the real issue is the reader that the Thumbwheel connects to. 

Imagine if the designers had not tried to make the thumbwheel an “all around cowboy” and let us just be a scrolling-speed adjusting wheel-and put a select push button on the side of the remote. 

Perhaps they wouldn’t have been such a pain in the caboose. 

I was fortunate that shortly after I got my DCS, I heard of the troubles with the thumbwheel and I bought one complete assembly for future use. 
If only I could have gotten the reader also😁

My LHS still had 5 remotes when I bought mine, last week. 

Since I lucked into a second DCS TIU System-I’m considering buying another remote, to keep as a backup, so I’ll have one for each system. 

I do like the WI-FI smart device app

but, there’s something about using the actual remote that is as pleasing as it is familiar. 

If anyone wants to get a remote while they’re in stock, I’d be happy to pick it up and ship it-for a donation to my favorite train fund😁

@rplst8 posted:

Just be glad you don’t have to say or spell Schuylkill five times fast!

Schuylkill is easier to say (skoo-kil) than it is to spell.  Just be glad you don’t have to drive on the Schuylkill Expressway every day for 37 years like I did.  Schuylkill is Dutch for hidden river by the way.

While we are at it, I think my all time favorite is Moyamensing (Lenape for place of pigeon droppings).

Guys, let me offer some facts to try and clear up any misunderstandings and shed some light on this matter.

  • The 50-1038 (new) DCS remote is essentially identical to the previous remote with the exception of the thumbwheel assembly.  The original encoder (electronic device that tracks rotation)  is obsolete and so, a new encoder had to be identified and used.  The plastic "cradle" the thumbwheel sits in had to be modified to accommodate a physically different encoder.  
  • The new encoder assembly is universally compatible with all remotes from day one.
  • We brought in about 300 pcs of the thumbwheel assembly with the last batch of remotes and they are all sold out.
  • We are making one last final production run of the DCS Remote (50-1038) and along with it, 1K thumbwheel assemblies to support repairs for years to come.
  • Along with the revisions to accommodate the new encoder, we beefed up the cradle in the areas where they wear out and break to extend the life significantly.
  • Because of the new encoder, the wires must be reversed where they solder on the main remote PCB.  There is a notice in the thumbwheel assembly package explaining this.  Don't worry, if you solder the wires in the original position, the only problem is the screen will move in the opposite direction and you can easily fix it.  

 

I hope this helps.

I went to Henning’s the other day to get a replacement power cord for one of my ZWs.  I was surprised there were none in stock.  I was also surprised to see some 50-1038 remotes in the display case.  I already have two remotes and I wasn’t really planning on getting another, but as Mike Wolfe (not misspelled) says, “The time to buy something is when you see it.”

@MTH RD posted:

Guys, let me offer some facts to try and clear up any misunderstandings and shed some light on this matter.

  • The 50-1038 (new) DCS remote is essentially identical to the previous remote with the exception of the thumbwheel assembly.  The original encoder (electronic device that tracks rotation)  is obsolete and so, a new encoder had to be identified and used.  The plastic "cradle" the thumbwheel sits in had to be modified to accommodate a physically different encoder.  
  • The new encoder assembly is universally compatible with all remotes from day one.
  • We brought in about 300 pcs of the thumbwheel assembly with the last batch of remotes and they are all sold out.
  • We are making one last final production run of the DCS Remote (50-1038) and along with it, 1K thumbwheel assemblies to support repairs for years to come.
  • Along with the revisions to accommodate the new encoder, we beefed up the cradle in the areas where they wear out and break to extend the life significantly.
  • Because of the new encoder, the wires must be reversed where they solder on the main remote PCB.  There is a notice in the thumbwheel assembly package explaining this.  Don't worry, if you solder the wires in the original position, the only problem is the screen will move in the opposite direction and you can easily fix it.  

 

I hope this helps.

Thanks for the detailed information.

If 300 pieces of thumbwheel assembly sold out so fast, why is there confidence 1000 will last more than 3 times as long ?

So if I bought a few of the cradles that were still available about a week and a half ago (this was a day or 2 after the full assemblies sold out, I believe), are they matches to the old thumbwheel/cradle design, or the new beefed up design (and therefore not compatible with the old thumbwheel, if I understood the post correctly?)?

I just picked up the new remote, and it has worked well so far.  I did not yet feel motivated to disassemble it to compare to the older ones I have  

So I will take your word for it regarding the upgrades (for now..... ).  But I will likely try to buy a couple of the assemblies if/when they become available, especially if the cradles I bought won't fit my old remotes with the old wheels.

-Dave

 

@MTH RD posted:

Guys, let me offer some facts to try and clear up any misunderstandings and shed some light on this matter.

  • The 50-1038 (new) DCS remote is essentially identical to the previous remote with the exception of the thumbwheel assembly.  The original encoder (electronic device that tracks rotation)  is obsolete and so, a new encoder had to be identified and used.  The plastic "cradle" the thumbwheel sits in had to be modified to accommodate a physically different encoder.  
  • The new encoder assembly is universally compatible with all remotes from day one.
  • We brought in about 300 pcs of the thumbwheel assembly with the last batch of remotes and they are all sold out.
  • We are making one last final production run of the DCS Remote (50-1038) and along with it, 1K thumbwheel assemblies to support repairs for years to come.
  • Along with the revisions to accommodate the new encoder, we beefed up the cradle in the areas where they wear out and break to extend the life significantly.
  • Because of the new encoder, the wires must be reversed where they solder on the main remote PCB.  There is a notice in the thumbwheel assembly package explaining this.  Don't worry, if you solder the wires in the original position, the only problem is the screen will move in the opposite direction and you can easily fix it.  

 

I hope this helps.

Perhaps we can clear up exactly what fits where.

Will the new thumbwheel assembly with the new cradle fit old remotes? 

Will the new cradle assembly fit old thumbwheels or do we replace the whole thumbwheel?

Is it possible to get replacement displays for the remotes?

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Let me try to respond to all four posts since my original here.

Mark - You are very welcome.

RJR - There will be an MTH parts company run by a couple of existing employees.  That will all be announced in due time.  As far as item number and price, I guess wait and contact them about it.

Lehigh74 - Mike's last name is Wolf without the "e".  

Dave45681 - The last batch of 300 thumbwheel assemblies were long overdue.  There was pent up demand that is now largely satisfied.  Also, the MTH closure announcement is contributing to some panic buying.  If purchased at the rate of failure, the next 1K pcs should last for years.  And, if not, the new parts company can always make more.  Also, the last couple batches of remotes already include the improved cradle so, much less likely to wear out as quickly.  The old cradles are not compatible with the new encoder or thumbwheel but, of course, can be used to repair the original 50-1002 remotes.

 

Perhaps we can clear up exactly what fits where.

Will the new thumbwheel assembly with the new cradle fit old remotes? 

Will the new cradle assembly fit old thumbwheels or do we replace the whole thumbwheel?

Is it possible to get replacement displays for the remotes?

Yes, the new thumbwheel assembly will drop into the old or new remotes.  Again, the position of the three wires from the encoder differ and this is described in a document included with the new assemblies.

We will only sell thumbwheel assemblies which include the cradle, thumbwheel, encoder, PCB, and wires.  The thumbwheel itself was modified to accommodate the new encoder part so, it is slightly different internally from the original.

Replacement displays are tough because of a high MOQ (min order qty).  Also, it takes someone with considerable soldering skills to do the replacement.  So, in other words, no.  

@MTH RD posted:

Let me try to respond to all four posts since my original here.

...............................  

Dave45681 - The last batch of 300 thumbwheel assemblies were long overdue.  There was pent up demand that is now largely satisfied.  Also, the MTH closure announcement is contributing to some panic buying.  If purchased at the rate of failure, the next 1K pcs should last for years.  And, if not, the new parts company can always make more.  Also, the last couple batches of remotes already include the improved cradle so, much less likely to wear out as quickly.  The old cradles are not compatible with the new encoder or thumbwheel but, of course, can be used to repair the original 50-1002 remotes.

 

Thank you for the reply.  I'm feeling better that I bought cradles that will fit at least two (or if I'm lucky all four) of my 50-1002 remotes. 

Two were from original Remote/TIU sets,  one from the very first run in  April 2002, another set I picked up in late 2005.  I'll assume both of those are definitely the old design.

 I bought a few stand alone remotes in recent years (one in late 2017, one in late 2018) after the announcement that all future new product focus would be on the app. 

So it sounds like "maybe" my later remotes may have the newer cradle, if they were within that "last couple batches" (I understand the backed up demand for remotes has been a while, probably at least the last year or so while people awaited the new 50-1038, so could those "last couple batches" of 50-1002 have covered that time-frame?). 

I'm OK with that, but I might pop a newer one and an older one open to see if there are obvious design differences on the brackets now, just so I know what's in them for potential future repair needs.

-Dave

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@Dave45681 posted:

Thank you for the reply.  I'm feeling better that I bought cradles that will fit at least two (or if I'm lucky all four) of my 50-1002 remotes. 

Two were from original Remote/TIU sets,  one from the very first run in  April 2002, another set I picked up in late 2005.  I'll assume both of those are definitely the old design.

 I bought a few stand alone remotes in recent years (one in late 2017, one in late 2018) after the announcement that all future new product focus would be on the app. 

So it sounds like "maybe" my later remotes may have the newer cradle, if they were within that "last couple batches" (I understand the backed up demand for remotes has been a while, probably at least the last year or so while people awaited the new 50-1038, so could those "last couple batches" of 50-1002 have covered that time-frame?). 

I'm OK with that, but I might pop a newer one and an older one open to see if there are obvious design differences on the brackets now, just so I know what's in them for potential future repair needs.

-Dave

No problem.  You're welcome.  

Given the dates of your remotes, I am certain they are all the original design.  That's fine.  If you ever wear out your thumbwheel "spring" (bracket) the new complete thumbwheel assembly will just drop right in.  The idea is that the assemblies are universal but, parts within the assembly are not.

The last couple batches literally means the ones that recently hit the dealers and the new batch that isn't built yet.  Essentially, all remotes shipped prior to 2020 are of the original design.

So, save your time and broken fingernail opening the remotes.  ;-)

@RJT posted:

I just bought a second remote, a spare wheel assembly and several spare cradles. How do I tell the difference in the remotes and if my spare wheel and cradles will fit both of my remotes? My first remote has never given me a problem and it was purchase when the DCS system was first introduced.

The explanation from MTH RD here seems to indicate the separate piece part cradles are only compatible with pre-2020 (so any remote that is not labeled as 50-1038 on the back) remotes.  (I had the same question a few posts below the linked one).  It looks like they will not sell the new design cradles separately, only as a full thumb wheel assembly.

So unless your "just bought" remote was by some miracle an old 50-1002 version (seems highly unlikely since there was a pretty wide spread out of stock situation before these new remotes recently showed up), the cradles you bought will only be good for your original remote.

It sounded like from the description that the new thumb wheel assemblies are compatible with all remotes (though with a different wiring instruction that is to be included with the part).  So a new thumb wheel assembly can be used in an older remote if needed.

I don't think the specific part of your question regarding an older thumb wheel assembly being usable for a new remote if needed was explicitly stated.  It sounds logical (though I would suspect it may involve a wiring difference), so hopefully MTH RD will respond to that part to clarify.

-Dave

I recently received an order of a few cradles and thumbwheels mounted in cradles from MTH to repair these and future broken cradles. I was hoping from the previous post from MTH on this thread that they might be the reinforced version. But from what I can see I guess it will be the next run they do that will have the stronger cradle design. The new thumbwheel on the left is one I had purchased as a spare a few years ago. The one on the right is the new one I just received that has the instructions to rewire for thumbwheel to operate in the correct direction.

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The brand new remote just released, that I received last month looks and feels identical to the old ones. The sales slip says 50-1038 the package says 50-1002.

I did not change to the new thumbwheel as just the cradle was broken on both these remotes I had bought used shown in above post photos. I just took these to a local electronics repair shop today that does fine soldering. He heated the pins and sucked the solder off then I pulled out the old cradle and installed the new cradles and he soldered the boards back on all in about 10 minutes, I put them back together and down loaded to them the latest software and downloaded all my engines to these from my other remote files. Again these cradles that I received in the mail from MTH about 2 weeks back, with some spare cradles and some with replacement thumbwheels installed in new cradles. All of these looked fairly close to the original cradles they do not appear to have any more strength to them and I expect over the years they will break as did the old style. I think I will have to order from MTH the new thumbwheels with cradles they speak of that are stronger???

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Hello,

I placed a pre-order on one of these remotes and I just got an email saying that the remote has arrived and is ready for pick up. I got the impression these were not to arrive until the 2nd quarter of 2021. I want to make sure I receive one of the newer remotes and not an older model due to the improvements made to the newer remotes. Does anyone know if indeed the next shipment of these remotes are beginning to arrive?

Thanks, Dan

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