I don't consider myself a true 3RS scale guy. I am pretty much OK with big knuckles and even swinging pilots but on road diesels like steam engines the big front knuckle is unnecessary. I am pretty impressed with MTH's version of the SD70. The detail and especially the paint is incredible. Some of the warning signs need a microscope to be read but the lettering appears crisp and clear. The engine fails in large gap between the body and swinging pilot though.

Fortunately I was able to purchase a pilot used on a two rail SD70 though not in the same paint scheme. The pilot was stripped in acetone which also unglued the stair treads and cut bar eyelets. Easy enough to replace after repainting.

I was able to reuse the front handrail by rebending it. A new handrail next to the cab was fabricated. Other than that it was a bolt on modification.

MTH should consider including a fixed pilot with handrails with all of their 3 rail engines. They would only have to make a minor modification to the stanchion the front handrail mounts to the make it a simple swap.

Before: 

After. 4141 is a two rail engine.

Pete

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I am not alone in saying that the swinging pilot steps makes the O scale engines look bad. The first time I saw it I hated it. It stood out and grabbed attention. 

 Now that engine looks the part the way it should. Nice work !

" on Sour mash and cheap wine " ??

Why go back to DCC when I have DCS!

Engineer-Joe posted:

I am not alone in saying that the swinging pilot steps makes the O scale engines look bad. The first time I saw it I hated it. It stood out and grabbed attention. 

 Now that engine looks the part the way it should. Nice work !

 That’s great work Pete, looks 10 times better.  I think that’s one of the main reason I don’t have any diesels yet. That ugly swinging pilot.  But there is good news, I may have put a reservation which will return  exiled diesels  to my pike

 

Thanks guys. Lionel did a better job on the swinging pilot on this particular engine. If I had one of those I might have just changed the coupler. Or the Lionel pilot could have been mounted to the frame. Mounting the MTH swinging pilot to the frame would not have made much of an improvement to the appearance.

Pete

Norton posted:

MTH should consider including a fixed pilot with handrails with all of their 3 rail engines. They would only have to make a minor modification to the stanchion the front handrail mounts to the make it a simple swap.

Why would MTH do that when it is easier to make a 2-rail model with fixed pilots and full-length handrails that can be converted to 3-rail by simply swapping out the wheels? The 2-rail models come with pick up rollers in a parts bag if you want to go that route.

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

How much is the wheel kit? MTH charged me 20 bucks for the pilot. Their cost I am sure is only a few bucks. A fixed rear pilot will require a larger radius than a swinging pilot. Even with large flanges many with smaller layouts would not be able to run this engine not to mention most do not want to switch to scale couplers.

FWIW 4141 is a two rail engine with pickup rollers installed. 

Pete

A 6 axle wheel kit is $50-$75 depending on where yo get it, but it's easier to find someone to trade with. Unfortunately I don't see many of the new MTH diesels offered in 2 Rail wheel versions any more. If they are still doing them, it's very few being ordered.

 

 

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" on Sour mash and cheap wine " ??

Why go back to DCC when I have DCS!

All it will take is for some new people to order the 2 rail versions instead of home made conversions. They get cancelled when no one orders them. I have seen them get produced, with only a couple of orders. I think I even got a one off model once.

 Most of the older era 2 rail people, don't look at the new MTH catalogs for ordering I bet.

" on Sour mash and cheap wine " ??

Why go back to DCC when I have DCS!

I caught on to the two-rail diesel models after watching Rich Battista's video "It's All About The Trains!"  I bought an ABA set of Premier F3's  with one powered A unit in two rail.  It will be the lead engine in the consist.  I don't run on track curves that are narrower than O-72, so tight curves are not a problem.

I love the look of fixed pilots and scale-sized couplers in scale-sized pilot openings.  I have very few "modern" diesels such as GP's, SD's, U-boats, etc, so that type of conversion is not a concern to me. 

I'm pretty deep down the rabbit hole on this.  It started with putting  body-mounted Kaddee couplers on some of my rolling stock, and just grew from there!

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