New Legacy E6 Atlantic

There is no steam chest effect on this engine.  Legacy engines (non visionline) have either whistle smoke or steam chest smoke but never both as of today.

Previous runs of this engine suggest that the whistle comes off to fill the whistle steam smoke unit.  I'm not sure if they have changed this but your manual seems to indicate that it was changed.  I looked for a parts list and it's not available.  This maybe a question directly for Lionel.

Just for reference from the Lindberg version manual...

Pull the whistle off the boiler to add smoke fluid for the whistle steam effect. Use the small funnel to
add the smoke fluid to the hole. For the first filling, we recommend using 20 drops of smoke fluid. From
then on, 10 to 20 drops will be sufficient.

Again they may have changed this from the previous versions based on your manual.  Seems odd though to me they'd re-engineer it.

MartyE posted:

There is no steam chest effect on this engine.  Legacy engines (non visionline) have either whistle smoke or steam chest smoke but never both as of today.

I kind of figured that. I was just pointing out that it was listed each way in different places and with what it actually came with.

How's it sound? can you video it please. 

Davety posted:

Another curious thing I saw with the under the hatch for the volume pot, something labeled "rail signal" the picture doesn't show it well however there is an electronic connector in that hole for something. Not sure what this is for, perhaps it's something they used at the factory to program the sounds in the tender.

 

Railsound/Signal Sounds switch.  This is simply a way to turn off the background sounds like chuff, etc. if you don't want them.  This capability has been around since the early RailSounds days.

If the switch isn't there, which is what you describe, it's probably an old mold for the tender and they didn't remove the old switch position.

The manual is obviously incorrect and uses the language regarding the cylinder steam effect.  You need to add fluid under the whistle or you are going to burn up the wick in the whistle steam smoke unit.

pennsy484 posted:

The manual is obviously incorrect and uses the language regarding the cylinder steam effect.  You need to add fluid under the whistle or you are going to burn up the wick in the whistle steam smoke unit.

I have to agree with Jeff.  The Cylinder steam effect came from the same bowl as the whistle steam on those equipped locomotives.  This unit always had the separate smoke unit and I don't see that Lionel would have changed it.

Trainlover9943 posted:

How's it sound? can you video it please. 

It sounds great to me, I'll try and take a video of it this evening.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Davety posted:

Another curious thing I saw with the under the hatch for the volume pot, something labeled "rail signal" the picture doesn't show it well however there is an electronic connector in that hole for something. Not sure what this is for, perhaps it's something they used at the factory to program the sounds in the tender.

 

Railsound/Signal Sounds switch.  This is simply a way to turn off the background sounds like chuff, etc. if you don't want them.  This capability has been around since the early RailSounds days.

If the switch isn't there, which is what you describe, it's probably an old mold for the tender and they didn't remove the old switch position.

Thanks John, I'll have to take a closer look and see if there a switch in there that I missed.

MartyE posted:

pennsy484 posted:

The manual is obviously incorrect and uses the language regarding the cylinder steam effect.  You need to add fluid under the whistle or you are going to burn up the wick in the whistle steam smoke unit.

I have to agree with Jeff.  The Cylinder steam effect came from the same bowl as the whistle steam on those equipped locomotives.  This unit always had the separate smoke unit and I don't see that Lionel would have changed it.

I don't know if the manual is correct or not. What I can tell you is that I only added smoke fluid down the stack and the whistle steam worked.

MartyE posted:

I have to agree with Jeff.  The Cylinder steam effect came from the same bowl as the whistle steam on those equipped locomotives.  This unit always had the separate smoke unit and I don't see that Lionel would have changed it.

I was hoping they changed the design of the new Legacy Atlantic.  I had the earlier Lindbergh Atlantic with whistle smoke, and it was PACKED inside!  Once you took the boiler shell off, it was a nightmare getting everything aligned to get it back on, wires are EVERYWHERE!

I would like another Atlantic, but I'm reluctant to buy it if it's packed like the older Legacy model.

Dave, probably there isn't a switch, I don't see them on the later Legacy stuff.  I think as I stated, this is just an old mold for the tender and it was easier just to leave the switch out.  That switch seems to have disappeared on most of my later Legacy locomotives, around the 2011-2012 timeframe.  I think that's around the time they dropped the old modular sound form-factor and went with the single "RailSounds Lite" board.  I think the "Lite" is the fact it's a single board that does the whole sound job, not that it's really lightweight in function.

Davety posted:

MartyE posted:

pennsy484 posted:

The manual is obviously incorrect and uses the language regarding the cylinder steam effect.  You need to add fluid under the whistle or you are going to burn up the wick in the whistle steam smoke unit.

I have to agree with Jeff.  The Cylinder steam effect came from the same bowl as the whistle steam on those equipped locomotives.  This unit always had the separate smoke unit and I don't see that Lionel would have changed it.

I don't know if the manual is correct or not. What I can tell you is that I only added smoke fluid down the stack and the whistle steam worked.

Well it would yes because it's turned on, but it's going to consume the existing fluid that was likely added during manufacture then it'll start burning the wick.  

It is confusing because it looks like no fluid would go into the larger opening. It looks like a simple plug or something.  For reference here is a picture of mine. 

No surprise, there's a 90 degree bend right below the fill hole.  That is indeed where the fluid goes.

So just to clarify - does the fluid go into Hole 1 or hole 2 ?

J Daddy posted:

So just to clarify - does the fluid go into Hole 1 or hole 2 ?

 

Hole 2

The fluid goes into the hole you took the whistle out of, it's the reason for having it removable.   It looks just like the earlier Legacy E6 Atlantic, that's where I always put the fluid.

Yes, 2 on your drawing.  

With that smoke unit its an especially unfortunate mishap with the instruction manual not providing instructions!  

What are the sounds like on the new run? Same as the old or a new twist?