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JFC454 posted:

If you can believe catalog art.... four Union Pacific SD70AH engines (8937, 9069, 9088, 9096) each with the headlight in the wrong position.  Also, I believe that those 3, 9000 series engines are in real life Tier4.  

Does that mean they have the different style can from a normal 70ace? And do they have nose mount headlight or cab mount?

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JFC454 posted:

If you can believe catalog art.... four Union Pacific SD70AH engines (8937, 9069, 9088, 9096) each with the headlight in the wrong position.  Also, I believe that those 3, 9000 series engines are in real life Tier4.  

Actually, after looking more carefully, I think in real life the three 9000 series engines Lionel is offering are not Tier 4.  The UP Tier 4 engines look like they have 3 fan grills instead of just 2.  rrpicturearchives.net  lists them as 4TC.  I guess that means they are Tier4 Credit engines, not Tier 4 engines.  However, the actual pictures of 8937, 9069, 9088, and 9096 show headlights in the nose.  Maybe the catalog art is just not accurate.

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NS6770Fan posted:

I would love to pick up one of the 4-6-6T’s, but at $1100, I could pick up a big steam loco. What happened to the $700-$800 price tag on smaller stuff?

They need to charge the big bucks in order to pay for repairing all of the stuff that wasn't done right the first time!

I can wait until the catalog comes out just so I don't have to look at all of these cheap no quality photos so many are posting!

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Dave45681 posted:

Shark car with moving fin is  nifty new use of the walking brakeman mechanism.

I doubt I'm personally interested in getting one, but it is pretty cool.  Hope it does well.

-Dave

Besides a LC+2 GG-1 and an I-12 caboose, I will consider purchasing this Lionel "shark" starter set, do some kit bashing on the moving shark fin by applying a German "laughing" swordfish decal among other modifications.

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scott.smith posted:
Trainlover9943 posted:

Are the docksiders LC+2.0 or just LC? 

LionChief Plus 2.0 Even lists TMCC and LionChief App in description.

Scott Smith

Lionel is also including front and rear "ElectroCouplers." In addition to TMCC, fan driven smoke, and "RailSounds," these 0-6-0's are worth consideration with a fair hobby store discount.

 

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Big Jim posted:
NS6770Fan posted:

I would love to pick up one of the 4-6-6T’s, but at $1100, I could pick up a big steam loco. What happened to the $700-$800 price tag on smaller stuff?

They need to charge the big bucks in order to pay for repairing all of the stuff that wasn't done right the first time!

I can wait until the catalog comes out just so I don't have to look at all of these cheap no quality photos so many are posting!

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. You can even post your own photos.

Scott Smith

paigetrainpaigetrainOGR Forum Member
scott.smith posted:
Big Jim posted:
NS6770Fan posted:

I would love to pick up one of the 4-6-6T’s, but at $1100, I could pick up a big steam loco. What happened to the $700-$800 price tag on smaller stuff?

They need to charge the big bucks in order to pay for repairing all of the stuff that wasn't done right the first time!

I can wait until the catalog comes out just so I don't have to look at all of these cheap no quality photos so many are posting!

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. You can even post your own photos.

Scott Smith

Yes and please post the starter set and lionchief plus 2.0 stuff please

paigetrainpaigetrainOGR Forum Member
dkdkrd posted:
 

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. 

 

Ah yes.....a sign of the times.......Internet dependence.

Us old pharts will remember the excitement of a road trip...with dad?....to the LHS to pick up that copy of the new catalog.   Or it's arrival in the snail-mail......as exciting as the arrival of the Secret Decoder Ring!

But,...Oh Wait!!  Those LHS's are essentially gone!.......a 'road trip' now may be a day's journey....or more!

Gee, if only Santa would 'spill the beans' 3 weeks ahead of the official date!...........NOT!

I know, I know......as Red Green sez, 'We're all in this together!'.   Nuttin' better to do than scan and post, scan and post, scan and post.

Oh, some of you wanted to know about freight cars?.....    There's a doozy selection on a couple pages....sure to create a new psychosis of PTSD.....Post Traumatic Sounds Disorder.   It's an assortment of flag-flavors of boxcars featuring the rhythmic hammering of a flat spot on a wheel.  Yepper.....Water-boarding has been superseded by sound.  And, joy of joys, just NOT like the prototype inspiration, this sound, traveling round and round on your basement oval, will NEVER leave you....or the spouse/kids/pets upstairs!....

Man-screaming

Well?.......you asked for it.   And it ain't cheap, either.....so you can't turn it off!......waste of your money......right?

really are we already complaining if you don't like it don't buy it simple as for me if money wasn't issue i would love some sound cars anything to put me in element of the high speed heavy freight hauling APWR anyway its really complaining from what i heard that gets posts deleted

J DaddyJ DaddyOGR Forum Member
Super O Bob posted:
J Daddy posted:

Yes first catalog ever I will not be buying a thing!!!!

tenor

 

I will be more than making up for you!

I really will love this catalog!  They just get better and better...  hats off to Lionel...  can't wait to order...

Wonder what dealer exclusives there will be on the 4-8-4 and EM1's???

 

It's all you can eat Bob! I'm done with fantasy rehash...

D Dj'sOgaugetrainsOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

The BEDT dockside looks fantastic! I’ll be in for my first lionchief engine!

Love the vista-vision series dome cars. That pennsy is a surprise! However there was one pennsy train that carried a run-through dome from the northern pacific. It was on the PRR’s south wind. 

Wonder if the auto train dome is a sign of a complete set to come......... I will definitely pre-order that. So far this is a fantastic catalog!

K KeystoneOGR Forum Member

Been waiting for someone to license the K-Line 4-6-6Tank engine tooling for more than 10 years but at a $1,100 price tag Lionel can keep it.  Thankfully earlier I was recently able to find a greatly detailed and well maintained original K-Line TMCC version for less than 1/3 the newly cataloged Legacy version.  Although it may not have the richer sound of Legacy, I'm very happy w/ my earlier TMCC version and I didn't have to pre-order, be concerned with a potential cancellation or current factory quality issued AND NOT spend $1k!

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.  Otherwise, I've been more interested in watching PBS's three part amazing series on the USA's path for space travel and mission to the moon "American Experience: Chasing the Moon"

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vash44 posted:
tom21pa posted:

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Very cool to see more Amtrak. Also stoked to see the Auto-train and the UP/NW dome.

Southern dome, very cool!!! More Amtrak, excellent!!!  Pre Amtrak auto - train , I hope they offer different car numbers than I had custom painted last year ! Are they offering other auto train cars?  How about Amtrak phase 3 paint, thats what Christine is making up for me as we speak.

JohnBJohnBOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I always like to keep my thoughts positive when new catalogs come out but considering the most I would pay for a 4-6-6 Tank engine would be $600 even with Legacy and whistle steam. That is the neighborhood my H10, E6, and B6 Legacy steamers were purchased. Dealers better sharpen their discount pencils so they can do at least 45% off . Fat chance!

JohnB

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I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If you want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have it , Just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new like when the camera caboose and theater cars came out  that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

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EscapeRocksEscapeRocksOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have that, just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new even if its just the camera caboose and theater cars that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

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EscapeRocks posted:
Keystone posted:

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.

That makes sense.. That way the dealers with no integrity will be rewarded for going against Lionel's wishes.

It's the dealers with the alleged "no integrity" that will continue to take orders and send Lionel money...  I'm sure Lionel has no problem with that.

Rusty

Brian DeFazioBrian DeFazioOGR Forum Member
EscapeRocks posted:
fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have that, just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new even if its just the camera caboose and theater cars that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

waa

Personally, I really like this catalog from what I've seen so far!  If money was no object, I'd order a lot of it LOL

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gunrunnerjohngunrunnerjohnOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
MartyE posted:

Perhaps we are seeing the tariffs starting to roll into the pricing.  Lionel has always been higher than the competition, but I have to think they are starting to also compensate for the increased cost in making the stuff in China.  I suspect others will have to follow.

I know that I recently got walloped with the 25% tariff on my last shipment of boards, a very unpleasant surprise!   I don't know if model trains are currently subject to the tariffs, if so I can't imagine prices not going up.

F fl9turbo2OGR Forum Member
Brian DeFazio posted:
EscapeRocks posted:
fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have that, just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new even if its just the camera caboose and theater cars that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

waa

Personally, I really like this catalog from what I've seen so far!  If money was no object, I'd order a lot of it LOL

its not the money its just the same old stuff with different paint on them that gets old, if you don't have any of these its great. You have another chance to get one and for that then its a good catalog but if you already have these then you have to think about putting your money somewhere else

vash44vash44OGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If you want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have it , Just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new like when the camera caboose and theater cars came out  that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

I really like your perspective on this. I can easily see your point. In my 2 years of collecting I have seen several products repeated. Due to space constraints, I tend (or at least try) to be strategic in my purchases of new items. One of which is the new Challenger and passenger car set, as this catalog favors many new UP cars it poses a danger to the play fund. The vision dome speaks to my fascination with UP/Amtrak and to something a bit different. 

F fl9turbo2OGR Forum Member
vash44 posted:
fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If you want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have it , Just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new like when the camera caboose and theater cars came out  that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

I really like your perspective on this. I can easily see your point. In my 2 years of collecting I have seen several products repeated. Due to space constraints, I tend (or at least try) to be strategic in my purchases of new items. One of which is the new Challenger and passenger car set, as this catalog favors many new UP cars it poses a danger to the play fund. The vision dome speaks to my fascination with UP/Amtrak and to something a bit different. 

Thanks you, I have another perspective that many people may be asking does the new BB that comes out now makes the vision one less desirable, I have seen them go for big money in some cases due to the fact it was very revolutionary, Now that the new ones comes out does this not undercut that value, And I am not talking just money value I am talking  perceived desire because they were limited, So if you looking for a BB maybe you can find a vision one cheaper because of the new one

Dennis LaGruaDennis LaGruaOGR Forum Member

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

F fl9turbo2OGR Forum Member
Dennis LaGrua posted:

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

That's a great perspective, and you are right as the manufactures now have this idea to "Target" there sales they may not realize there will be a wall they will hit with the high end market, And even the medium market with the same stuff, There is only so much you can put into a locomotive I hope they will find out people will get to the point when they just look at a catalog and sigh. I am not picking on any one manufacture its the same with all of them, I pray that this is not the norm but if it is then maybe my days of buying new or BTO will come to a end, I guess I miss the days when you looked at the catalog and said "WOW" I just don't get that way anymore   

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Super O BobSuper O BobOGR Forum Member
J Daddy posted:
Super O Bob posted:
J Daddy posted:

Yes first catalog ever I will not be buying a thing!!!!

tenor

 

I will be more than making up for you!

I really will love this catalog!  They just get better and better...  hats off to Lionel...  can't wait to order...

Wonder what dealer exclusives there will be on the 4-8-4 and EM1's???

 

It's all you can eat Bob! I'm done with fantasy rehash...

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies...  new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

F fl9turbo2OGR Forum Member
fl9turbo2 posted:
Dennis LaGrua posted:

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

That's a great perspective, and you are right as the manufactures now have this idea to "Target" there sales they may not realize there will be a wall they will hit with the high end market, And even the medium market with the same stuff, There is only so much you can put into a locomotive I hope they will find out people will get to the point when they just look at a catalog and sigh. I am not picking on any one manufacture its the same with all of them, I pray that this is not the norm but if it is then maybe my days of buying new or BTO will come to a end, I guess I miss the days when you looked at the catalog and said "WOW" I just don't get that way anymore   

I get more excited over the newest offerings from Menards then the new Lionel Catalog   how sad is that

K KeystoneOGR Forum Member
Rusty Traque posted:
EscapeRocks posted:
Keystone posted:

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.

That makes sense.. That way the dealers with no integrity will be rewarded for going against Lionel's wishes.

It's the dealers with the alleged "no integrity" that will continue to take orders and send Lionel money...  I'm sure Lionel has no problem with that.

Rusty

Escape/R, thanks for that back-handed compliment.  Sounds like we have our "GO TO" person for Lionel policies and procedures.  Why then ship cases of printed catalogs to your dealers more than 2 weeks in advance of the online version release date and then expect this small band of retailers to put them in the corner for 2 weeks and not attempt to generate sales while the train hobby economy continues to contract?  These same small business owners must now adhere to MAP restrictions, larger minimum order quantities, less quality control and related limited parts and arguably one of the biggest fails in company/dealer integrity: the significantly below dealer cost direct sale blowouts via Amazon.

FYI, your ride is waiting...

EscapeRocks posted:

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Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Well, being not a BB fan I suppose it really does depend on what exactly it has in it. I know from the prior offering I thought the depleting coal load was a little nuts. My thoughts were that the rubber would where out and tear eventually and probably be a pain to replace. Of course, those BB's that are currently out on eBay are extremely high priced. I believe several were $4000+ one being almost $5000.

That being said however, its the lottery eBay out there. I've seen some stuff very overpriced for what it is and sure others have as sell. Regardless of all that, someone will buy them very whatever reasons or not buy them for the same token.

I called into my LTS and yes, there's a new catalog waiting for me. I don't believe that there was some kind of barrier or rule that dealers couldn't hand out the catalogs until such date, that would be nuts. It is smart business for the LTS's to get them out as soon as possible to get what orders they can ahead of the deadline.

So, I'll get my eyes on it tomorrow evening and see what is tickling my fancy. I did see somewhere on here about the EM-1's and will consider getting one of them after seeing what all is offered and best suits if I go for it.

L LandsteinerOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

Sounds like another ambitious catalog attempting to provide a little bit for every niche in the hobby.  I can wait until the hard copy comes.  I doubt Lionel restricts storefront dealers from distributing catalogs.  Makes no sense, thus our getting in a high moral dudgeon about the nefarious early reports/releases may be much ado about something Lionel cares absolutely nothing about.

Consider this.  Giving storefront dealers the catalogs and letting them do as they wish 2-3 weeks before the on-line versions are available gives their storefront dealers a bit of an advantage compared with on-line only operations that Lionel has always tried to discourage.  I doubt it makes much difference these days,  as Charles Ro, Trainworld, etc. are both storefront and on-line, so you can always call and ask for a catalog.  There are children without enough to eat in our nation, so I save my outrage for bigger issues, personally.

As for dwindling enthusiasm, that is a sad fact of life in general.  Were you most excited about trains as a 10 year old on Christmas morning, say, or now in your 70s?  As Byron wrote, "we'll go no more aroving, so late into the night.....  The sword outwears the sheath, etc."  All things that gave us pleasure can become less exciting over time, and we just don't have the passion or energy for "X" as much as we did when we were young and the world was new.

 I still enjoy the catalogs decades on, but, unsurprisingly, to me,  the intensity and desire to acquire stuff (not to mention space) are diminished.  Fun, but not as thrilling as once was.   So it's not about Lionel, it may be about me and you. .

There's a whole forum where disappointed, angry older men in the hobby complain about Lionel having betrayed them by having a few lemons in recent years.  What is really going on, at least in part, is clearly the curmudgeonly, self-involved disillusion that accompanies aging, at least in my experience.  It's not really Lionel, it's them/us, I believe.  If you read the comments of newer hobbyists and younger hobbyists the thrill of the catalog and the new trains is still very much part of their experience.  Please don't rain on their parade.  Life wears people down without help from the old/experienced.  Sermon over .

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Super O Bob posted:

Thinking about it...  getting the catalog FIRST from your own personal guy you buy your trains from is great building relationship for all the dealers.  

I like it better than just seeing it online.  I prefer the personal touch of my LHS to get the first look at the new catalog...

 

 

Absolutely Bob. I don't go just walking around the store pick up and pay. I will usually pop up to the desk and chat for a bit like some of the other regulars like myself. Talk other stuff not train related but always come back to that. I think we would all be poor human beings if we just came in and pointed out what we want, pay for and leave with nothing said. There is just something about talking trains, even if it is something you're not interested in much(like diesels for me, I like very few), but I'll still talk about it.

Super O BobSuper O BobOGR Forum Member
fl9turbo2 posted:
BobbyD posted:
Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

Fake News!

 

New Big Boy...  lower cost... very cool cab floor and matching first run.

060 tank engine LC2.0 with tons of features!  Unreal retail at 250 or something like that.

New tooling on UP passenger cars, vista domes...  must be a new style.

New tooling UP buisness car...

New tooling UP baggage car...

New tooling NS F units with ditch lights.

New vista dome video cars!

Creative shark set...

Off top of my head......  edit: forgot to mention....

NEW TOOLING IS THE 19TH CENTURY PASSENGER CARS AND scale 4-4-0's...

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V VistaDomeScottOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
Big_Boy_4005 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Screenshot_20190710-114610_Package installer~01Screenshot_20190710-114806_Photos~01Lionel, if you read any of this, your "auto -train" dome car has the wrong color trucks.  Trucks were painted the purple color.  

Gee Scott, why do you need Lionel to make these? You have your beautiful custom set already. 

I would never have noticed the trucks were purple, if you hadn't said so. 

I am happy with my custom set for sure, there could be room for a couple more cars if Lionel colors are close though.  Im glad to see Lionel offer this though, I bet next they will offer VIA Rail blue cars since Christine is currently busy on a set of those. Lol.

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prrhorseshoecurve posted:
tom21pa posted:

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Since the PRR didn't have any dome cars and these cars are made of plastic, could the dome be pulled out and filled in so the car can made into a coach or a sleeper?

Seems like too much effort when there are plenty of other PRR cars available. Maybe there is a market for fantasy equipment but a Pennsy dome car in a 21" scale car is unlikely in my opinion. Pennsy did lease domes in the winter from NP and used them on Florida trains.  As far as I know they remained in NP paint. 

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Boilermaker1 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

 

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

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