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Hello everyone,

I have been reading the forum for a long time and finally subscribed to the magazine and the forum. There is an unbelievable wealth of knowledge here.

My wife an I got re-introduced to the hobby five years ago when our parents passed away and the trains we had as kids came out of storage and into our house. When things settled down and we started unpacking the trains, my wife got interested in running them.  A few weeks later, she finds an original Lionel 252 with matching passenger cars in the original box on Craig’s List for cheap. A few train shows later, she buys a Lionel 150 engine.  (I was not really into prewar at the time).  Then we discover York…..    

Long story short, we now have four or five 150’s, a 152, a 154 and matching cars for all of them.

Which brings me to the reason for this post…..

At the fall meet in York, we picked up a partially restored Lionel 154. The paint looks great, but the inside needs help.


I’ll need to replace all of the wires. Testing with a multimeter shows the armature is shot.
Here is where I need advice.

It appears to me that in order to remove the armature, the tiny gear on the armature shaft needs to come off. Is there a tiny gear puller out there somewhere?  How do you re-assemble it after it is rewound?

Lastly, it appears that the wheels must be removed to open the motor frame and get access to the Bakelite plate underneath for soldering. There are also four long “rivets” that hold the motor together. Dis-assembly is not a problem, but how does one replace these long “rivets”?

I’m sure someone has done this before without all of the fancy Lionel riveting tools and wheel presses.

I stopped by the PE Design booth at the last York show and seen the wheel pullers. I haven’t seen the re-assembly tools.

Any advice would sure be appreciated.

(I have a 150 in the same condition)

Thanks,

Dave

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I could be wrong but looking at your photos there doesn't appear to be any axle bushings. If that's the case, it's a very early version circa 1917. My point being if those axle holes are really worn it might not worth the money and effort to get the armature redone? Also, sometimes the wire going to commutator piece comes unsoldered although that should be pretty evident. They can be fixed in place but it's tricky.

Using a wheel puller for pre-war wheels will most likely (99%) of the time will only break the wheel and leave the wheel hub still attached to the frame. Use a flat punch, position the motor between your legs and punch the wheel off the axle. Primitive but works.  Do not remove the motor frame spacers. We ' do sell new ones).  To spread the frame to remove & install new collector, buy a ''E " clip spreader pliers, reverse the handles so that when you squeeze the handles it will open up the tips. With this you can now spread the frame and remove the collector. If and when you get the motor running, spend a little time to mix up a little '5 minute epoxy' and run a bead around the area where the wiring is attached to the commutator, securing the edge of the commutator to the wiring. Be careful to NOT get epoxy on the brush contact area. Most old motors , due to age and use, will have a sharp edge on the existing brushes and eventually after running for a while catch the brush and tear off the commutator section.  A little patience will save you $65.00 to get the armature rewound.    Hope this helps.  Harry

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