No NW-2's for Christmas

According to Charlie Nassau, they're shipping next week:

Rusty

Rusty Traque posted:

According to Charlie Nassau, they're shipping next week:

TSF LEGACY NW2 #2405

Milwaukee Road LEGACY NW2 #1649

NYO&W LEGACY NW2 #116

PBNE LEGACY NW2 #27

SP LEGACY NW2 #1423

Union RR LEGACY NW2 #555

Rusty

Yay!

Of course no pennsy and not in time for Xmas.  3rd time Lionel has let me 'us' DOWN!

Oh brother. 

If you really need a Pennsylvania NW2 by Christmas, Lionel made one years ago. Oh wait, silly me. You're talking about the SCALE version with Legacy on the Traditional/027 forum. My mistake.

I'm not keeping an exact count, but by reading here, the number of times Lionel has supposedly let people down this year, is in the thousands.

Marty's tag line is a good one: “I don't know what to say, except it's Christmas and we're all in misery.” Maybe people need another hobby that WILL actually make them happy.

Or maybe Lionel should ditch all the scale trains that make some people so UNHAPPY and stick with TOY trains, which is what put Lionel on the map in the first map. Ah, that wouldn't be fair to MartyE and to the few others who are actually thankful for all the electronic advances and new scale products.

Or maybe people need to start another train company and teach Lionel a good lesson. Do it the USA too, so you won't have any shipping worries. But you will need very deep pockets because no bank will loan you the money.

What about the Spokane Portland and Seattle nw-2 model?

The point is Lionel's shipping schedule is bad, it always slips.  Just saying in the last 10 years engines that were due around August or Sept. never made it by even xmas.  And we have all complained about there shipping problems.

I wonder when the CSXT might ship to dealers.  I am in no hurry to receive this Switcher, just hope it arrives and runs great out of the box.  Merry Christmas.

Dave Warburton posted:

What about the Spokane Portland and Seattle nw-2 model?

I am wondering about it as well. Would be nice to have an SP&S caboose too 

I just took a BIG hit from 3rd rail.  My wallet is glad the PRR units are not in. Maybe Lionel will give us a scale phase 1 NW2 after all!

One of my train friends believes that in 50 years Lionel postwar will run right off the shelf or out of the box, but none of the new stuff will run at all.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

One of my train friends believes that in 50 years Lionel postwar will run right off the shelf or out of the box, but none of the new stuff will run at all.

You might want to tell your friend that TMCC is almost 25 years old with many, many of the original GP7/9's still running as well as the associated Cab1/TrainMaster/PowerMaster components still controlling those engines. 

Arnold, just for the record, I got back into this Wonderful Hobby do to TMCC/LEGACY, buying everything in Century Club 1, and Century Club 2 and the first Sante Fe F3’, Hudson’s—-all ran spectacular out of the Box, over the years I upgraded to Legacy/VisionLine—all Even more Soectacular out of the box...Sure, sometimes adjustments needed to be made, but all of these feature rich engines are so much more fun than Post War, no Comparison.  In comparison, Automobiles from the 1950’s are nice, Collectible, however Automobiles Of today are more safe, get better gas mileage, and are electronically much more fun to drive.  So, I would not listen to everyone, buy some of these Legacy/VisionLine Locomotives and See first hand the wonderful difference Lionel has made. I think you will surely agree, these changes are Fantastic.,..I think the new NW2 will be the very best ever!!Cant Wait....

"None" is improbable. Some electronics do have a shelf of sorts but only time & luck will really tell.

But the post war working "right off the shelf" is more probable.

Don't count on a tv or radio working for that long either, but some will 

As much as I complained about Lionels Shipping,  some of my best running engines are 90's era  lionel and K-line TMCC engines.  As Tony the Tiger would say 'They run Great!'.

Well Trainworld called today and asked if I still wanted the NW-2.  I said Yes!  Hopefully here by New Years!

Fed-x brought mine from Charlie Ro's yesterday (NYO&W), but I'm not opening it until Christmas day.  BTW:  Thanks to Lionel for getting them here before Christmas,I guess flying them from China pays off!

Glad to here you got yours.  Nothing here at 7:40pm.  Expect it here sometime next week.

So Dave how is your NW2 running?  Got time for a quick review?

Reading RR posted:

So Dave how is your NW2 running?  Got time for a quick review?

Unfortunately, I haven't taken it out of the box yet and due to family commitments it doesn't look like I will be able to take it out and run it until late tonight or tomorrow. 

Waiting to hear your thoughts Dave!

I have three of them-  oh, wait -  they are postwar NW-2s.

JeffT, I am interested in seeing the finished product to, hopefully this coming week there will be some pictures.  Hope you all had a nice Chtistmas....

Hey, you Lionel guys, there's a quick and easy solution to the Lionel reliability/delivery problems I read about on the Forum every day - buy MTH!  I have purchased three new Lionel engines and 15 new MTH engines.  All three Lionels went back to the factory for service, but only one of the MTHs required attention.  I have not had a delivery problem with either brand and the Lionel service was very good .

Yes, I know the sample size is too small to be statistically valid nor is MTH perfect, but everyone in the hobby I know has reported similar experience.  The best way to get Lionel to deal with their problems is to buy something else.

John

Steam Crazy posted:

Hey, you Lionel guys, there's a quick and easy solution to the Lionel reliability/delivery problems I read about on the Forum every day - buy MTH!  I have purchased three new Lionel engines and 15 new MTH engines.  All three Lionels went back to the factory for service, but only one of the MTHs required attention.  I have not had a delivery problem with either brand and the Lionel service was very good .

Yes, I know the sample size is too small to be statistically valid nor is MTH perfect, but everyone in the hobby I know has reported similar experience.  The best way to get Lionel to deal with their problems is to buy something else.

John

I would consider MTH if they could match Lionel's sound and slow speed operation. 

I agree with your opinion of Lionel sound.  I find MTH slow speed operation better than Lionel, but I run conventional only.   MTH sound is good enough for my "tin ears"; combined with superior reliability and smoke, MTH is the best value for me.  This doesn't mean I wouldn't like to buy Lionel products if they "got their act together".

Reading RR posted:

So Dave how is your NW2 running?  Got time for a quick review?

Finally, I had a chance to take it out of the box and give you my first impressions. I decided to put it next to my MTH NW-2 for comparison. The Lionel is a little shorter than the MTH, which is a good thing. The Lionel version has the front grill O&W emblem added on (not a decal) this is very prototypical. (BTW I'm not a rivet counter.) The paint is a little lighter than I'd like it to be, but that's the least of my worries.

Now for the bad news, the engine runs great both slow and fast speeds and the sounds are great however the smoke isn't working which is the main reason I got the Lionel version because the MTH version didn't have smoke.  Another problem is programing it in the Legacy remote. It seem every time I get a new Lionel engine the method of programing them changes. Lionel doesn't give you a module anymore, it looks like I'm gonna need a sensor track. And another thing was that before I ordered it the guys at York said all new engines would have Bluetooth of course this is the only one that didn't.

Well there you go purchase at your own risk. I'm going back to try to get the smoke unit to work.

Here are some photos (sorry about the lighting on my layout photos.)

Arkville N.Y.MTH /LIONELLionel front  (sorry about the foam packing)

MIKATT1 posted;

 Another problem is programing it in the Legacy remote. It seem every time I get a new Lionel engine the method of programing them changes. Lionel doesn't give you a module anymore, it looks like I'm gonna need a sensor track. 

Any Legacy ( or TMCC loco for that matter) ever made can be entered into the Legacy remote manually.

Its no more difficult than logging in to this forum and posting. Go to 1:17 on the video:

This confirms the fact the Lionel NYO&W No. 116 as delivered is un-prototypical.

Catalog quote:  "Lionel is bringing this pivotal prototype to our roster of scale details with all new tooling which will capture the many detail variations found between the different prototypes including the changing body styles."

I see the resale and collectibility value of the MTH Railking scale No. 116 holding strong.

Looks to me like the color on the Lionel is much closer to the posted prototype than the MTH. 

Mine is here !!

Being very familiar with the prototype when it served as the power for Ontrack’s Orange Express down city, that light of gray color is incorrect.  The paint on the unit when that above photograph was taken is worn, faded and weather beaten.

NYC 428 posted:

Mine is here !!

have any pics you want to share?

Assuming the sound and smoke are stunning, aside from the sound and smoke..how does it stack up against the Atlas sw8/9.

Sounds like lots of folks out there are suffering from "Lionel tunnel vision" (pun intended).  Doesn't smoke?  Lionel color is better?  Give me a break!

Steam Crazy posted:

Sounds like lots of folks out there are suffering from "Lionel tunnel vision" (pun intended).  Doesn't smoke?  Lionel color is better?  Give me a break!

None at all. In command MTH cannot touch Lionel. If it comes to it I just will not purchase any more without reviews first. Why rag on those that purchased these? 

I didn't intend to rag on anybody and apologize to anyone I offended.  I consider myself a Lionel fan too, but I just don't understand why people seem to ignore the widespread publicity about the problems with Lionel and buy their product anyway at a 10-20% premium over a similar MTH item.

There's a parallel in the auto industry.  In the 70's and 80's the domestic industry was so convinced their product was superior they dismissed Japanese cars as cheap little foreign imports.  The Japanese responded with well made, economical and reliable cars which we bought in droves.  Having learned their lesson the hard way, domestic makers improved the quality of their product, to our benefit.

Perhaps Lionel would respond too, if we "hit em where it hurts, the pocketbook".  If we don't demand better quality and reliability, we probably won't get it.

Hi All,

    Well got my UPS ship schedule, and nothing until next Wed. for me.  Oh, well.

Can someone please post a video of theirs to show us all what the sounds are like. That would be extremely helpful to those interested in purchasing one. 

Happy New Years!

Steam - I've had Lionel for over 50 years. I have Legacy and like it. I run only during Christmas, unfortunately. I have no desire to run conventional or have two completely different operating systems. I buy Lionel.