According to the Altoona Works Facebook page Norfolk Southern is going to acquire the remaining SD80MAC's from CSX and will be renumbered to 7217-7228. So it appears NS is getting a lot of high-horse powered engines. First the SD9043MAC's now SD80MAC's, now all NS needs is some AC6000's and they would have the biggest power on the east coast. My hope now is that I see some of them running in other states and not have to travel all the way to Altoona every time just to see them in service.
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My guess when you start seeing them running "all over the system" on a regular basis they will essentially be a SD70 with their 20 cylinder prime mover long gone.
Did CSX remove the twenty cylinder 710 engines from their SD80s? I don't recall hearing about it.
As far as I know, they all (NS and CSX) still have their 20-710 engines. NS intends to rebuild them at some point, but whether they'll keep the 20-710's I don't know.
EMDs don't get older...they just get better ! U-Rah !
This is strange. At the CR split, it was thought all AC traction motored units would go to CSX, But the 80MACs were split between the two.
I think this may be the direction they're planning to go:
http://www.progressrail.com/cd.../4546813/7/PR43C.pdf
Progress rail is doing 4300HP retro-fitting of older diesels using two Caterpillar diesel engines -- one 3600HP unit and a 700HP unit. The photo in the above PDF appears to be based on either an SD50 or SD60, but the SD80/SD90/SD9043 platform would also work. The conversion gives them Tier2 and Tier3 compliance.
I guess the numerous Dash 8"s Norfolk Southern has staged at the Conway Yard near Pittsburgh are not worth the repair costs.
Highpower SD80 units seem to be the more worthwhile way to go.
I loved the Conrail Quality scheme on these engines when they first started running here at 242.2 on the waterlevel route !!
Doug
I guess the numerous Dash 8"s Norfolk Southern has staged at the Conway Yard near Pittsburgh are not worth the repair costs.
Highpower SD80 units seem to be the more worthwhile way to go.
Does NS have a Dash 8.5 upgrade.
How do the 3600 and 700 hp engines couple when needed?
How do the 3600 and 700 hp engines couple when needed?
They don't actually "couple" since they are two separate engine generator sets.
How do the 3600 and 700 hp engines couple when needed?
While I have no railroad experience, as an electrical engineer I can tell you its possible to synchronize the two generator outputs and run them in parallel.
How do the 3600 and 700 hp engines couple when needed?
While I have no railroad experience, as an electrical engineer I can tell you its possible to synchronize the two generator outputs and run them in parallel.
They don't have to be "synchronized" since they produce DC anyway.
From what I've read elsewhere the cab on the 8500 is one of the cabs used on the SD60E rebuilds, while the cab on the 8501 is a new design for the GE's.
Stuart
I was discussing this locomotive with a colleague in Progress Rail who was responsible for this repower project. According to this person they conducted a study & found that the typical routine for these specific locomotives (before repower) included a significant portion of time spent idling or on a lower throttle setting where it was inefficient to keep the large engine running. I am not sure if I understood it correctly but it was somehow impractical to shut-down & restart the engine as needed, as in an automobile.
So PR43C has 2 Caterpillar high-speed (1800 rpm) Tier II / Tier III compliant 4-stroke engines – a 16-cylinder Vee, C-175 as the primary engine (3600 hp) & an inline 6-cylinder C-18 engine (700 hp). At idle or at lower throttle settings only the C-18 would be running & the C-175 would be shutdown. The control system would automatically decide to use the C-18 for traction & all other power needs. At higher throttle settings, the control system would use C-175 &/or the C-18.
Also if I remember it correctly, these projects were initiated before Caterpillar acquired EMD.
These are just my opinion.
Thanks,
Naveen Rajan
How do the 3600 and 700 hp engines couple when needed?