Rick, …that’s not a bad looking piece at all, …glad you got one, ….I know you were on the hunt for one,…..measure that smoke box front’s diameter and let me know …..maybe we can “ Centralize “ her……funny you posted this, as Pete & I were discussing this very engine yesterday over coffee ( albeit 9 hours apart ) …..we were trying to figure out the basis of parts to use for a N2e …..cool timing!!…….and now I’m sure the arms race will be on as Pete & I try and figure this one out,…….😄😄
Pat
I was wondering if there was an N class 2-6-6-2 lurking somewhere. Obviously not first hand knowledge, but these engines were Ohio coal field regulars on the old Lake Erie, Alliance and Wheeling through Minerva and Dillonvale, Ohio. Same area as the old Wheeling and Lake Erie.
Gray Lackey
Great video Rick. I've often imagined these running logs, but what do I know, lol.
@MELGAR posted:That engine is one of my favorites. The model dates from 1999.
MELGAR
They were used in Cleveland,Ohio tell 1953 or so.
I'm in agreement with Melgar, I also have the MTH PS-1 version of the NYC Lightning Stripe P-2 Motor. When they were in Cleveland Union terminal, they had large pantographs and were overhead powered. In the 50s they were reworked for outside 3rd rail and 600v operation in New York city and environs.
One reason I like them is they are a bit more realistic in the absence of overhead catenary. But I always wondered about the small overhead pantograph and how it was used?
@Fast Mail It wasn't in the book I thought the reference was in, but according to memory, the small pantograph was for an alternate to the third rail that was hung overhead in places where complex switch tracks prevented the more traditional placement. Basically filling in the gaps so you wouldn't get a suck engine.
@naresar posted:@Fast Mail It wasn't in the book I thought the reference was in, but according to memory, the small pantograph was for an alternate to the third rail that was hung overhead in places where complex switch tracks prevented the more traditional placement. Basically filling in the gaps so you wouldn't get a suck engine.
That, and inside the electric shops at Harmon, ….they moved them around inside the shops on overhead lines for maintenance work,….
Pat
I sold a lot of my NYC but kept the P2. It is just a beast of a locomotive that I enjoy the looks of even if I plan on possibly re-lettering all my NYC ESE cars to PC. I know heresy!
Thank you Naresar and Pat your answers make sense. I was born in the 50s and grew up on the eastside of Cleveland. My father worked in the terminal tower for NYCRR. Currently working on a project in the basement to bring the great NYCRR trains to the shores of Puget Sound.
Kevin
@GG1 4877 posted:I sold a lot of my NYC but kept the P2. It is just a beast of a locomotive that I enjoy the looks of even if I plan on possibly re-lettering all my NYC ESE cars to PC. I know heresy!
You take that back Johnathan!!……don’t you do it!!….🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pat
@harmonyards posted:You take that back Johnathan!!……don’t you do it!!….🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pat
If I do, it's a long way off. My back shop has been shut down for several years due to my part time work. I haven't done anything with my own trains in almost 7 years other than collect more. In other words, the NYC fleet is safe for now!
Coach, we’re as innocent as the driven snow,…..😇
Pat
@harmonyards posted:Coach, we’re as innocent as the driven snow,…..😇
Pat
Speak for yourself. Keep buying Coach... Keep buying. 👿. Haven't heard from Paul in awhile. I'm awaiting my next NYC Hudson purchase.....
I just love the Cleveland Union P1 motors.
@Donnie Kennedy posted:Speak for yourself. Keep buying Coach... Keep buying. 👿. Haven't heard from Paul in awhile. I'm awaiting my next NYC Hudson purchase.....
I’m with you!
Waiting on the custom J-1c #5266 shipping soon! Jubilee Hudson
Thanks!
- Mario
@CentralFan1976 posted:
I would be too. That looks like an absolute beauty. I'm looking into the streamlined Hudsons to add to the fleet!
@Donnie Kennedy posted:I would be too. That looks like an absolute beauty. I'm looking into the streamlined Hudsons to add to the fleet!
I’m not a huge streamlined Hudson fan, but the Commodore is my favorite by far. This one’s been through the paint shop @harmonyards. It’s being cycled through this week for its annual.
I also have an MTH 20th Century, even though it’s a little light. Price was right…
Thanks!
- Mario
@harmonyards posted:Coach, we’re as innocent as the driven snow,…..😇
Pat
I certainly wouldn’t say that, Pat 
@Donnie Kennedy posted:Speak for yourself. Keep buying Coach... Keep buying. 👿. Haven't heard from Paul in awhile. I'm awaiting my next NYC Hudson purchase.....
I should have known you were involved, Donnie… my ears were ringing 
@Apples55 posted:I certainly wouldn’t say that, Pat
I should have known you were involved, Donnie… my ears were ringing
Y’all do know the first part of a 3 step denial process is to be in self denial!!….yes??.
Pat
Speaking of bad influences. Thanks to @coach joe posting a pic of his MTH mohawk, I decided to get my own. And, of course one needs the Hudson that came out at the same time... 
@harmonyards posted:Y’all do know the first part of a 3 step denial process is to be in self denial!!….yes??.
Pat
I deny that vociferously
@harmonyards posted:You’re already on step 2 ……..😉
Pat
Oh, please… please… please tell me step three is buy an engine 🙏 🙏 🙏
@Apples55 posted:Oh, please… please… please tell me step three is buy an engine 🙏 🙏 🙏
It is indeed, …..after the anger, you need to feed the addiction to calm down……😶🌫️😛
Pat
Why buy one engine when you can buy two?
Paul I believe s teps 3 through 12 are "Buy an engine."
Donnie are the Mohawk and Hudson Railking?
The cycle repeats itself fellas, …..it’s viscous and cruel, but feels oh so good,…🤤
just ask Roger, we think we pounded him into submission, but you can’t use the words willing & victim in the same sentence,…..it doesn’t work that way,…..
Pat
@coach joe posted:Paul I believe s teps 3 through 12 are "Buy an engine."
Donnie are the Mohawk and Hudson Railking?
Sure are. The late 90s early 2000s conventional rail kings. Really nice detail in a small package. They run perfect on my inner 031 loops!
My Mohawk came to me with "start/stop issues" and was dressed hideously with ATSF under the cab window and a GIGANTIC road number on the tender. Well the start/stop issue was "run in reverse only", the e-unit was toast and pretty much irreplaceable. So it got a PS1 'upgrade". The cab roof was bent in transit, so before she could get some proper letters and numbers I needed to straighten out the roof. I did a thread about the repair and changes.
Sorry to be repetitive. I didn't remember that I detailed the repairs and and added details in my previous Mohawk post.
@coach joe posted:My Mohawk came to me with "start/stop issues" and was dressed hideously with ATSF under the cab window and a GIGANTIC road number on the tender. Well the start/stop issue was "run in reverse only", the e-unit was toast and pretty much irreplaceable. So it got a PS1 'upgrade". The cab roof was bent in transit, so before she could get some proper letters and numbers I needed to straighten out the roof. I did a thread about the repair and changes.
Sorry to be repetitive. I didn't remember that I detailed the repairs and and added details in my previous Mohawk post.
No complaints from me! I like learning from you guys. My mohawk had a cranky smoke unit. Wouldn't work on the low side smoke element. Soooooo, since replacements aren't available for the puffer type, I modified the unit. Took both elements out, " killed" the circuit board. Put a single 27ohm smoke element wired straight to track + & ground. Had to make a new gasket, with a little plumbers putty around the top and bottom for a perfect seal! Put new wick material in it,a little mega steam ,and She smokes better than ever. Not pretty on the inside, but it's the outside that counts. Right?
Sounds like a solution to me.
Speaking of Mohawk, here is my MTH L-3C pulling MTH club cars and caboose.
I am a southeast railfan (plus WV), but I will admit that I am also a closet NYC fan. at least lines west of Buffalo in OH, IN, WV.
So I really like the unique or odd. See pictures below of the experimental gold (instead of white) Cigar Band on three locomotives. As far as I have seen pictures there were four engines painted this way, E8's 4055 and 4041, F7 1754 and F3 1608.
The E8's are Weaver with exhaust stacks and spark arresters added (for some reason, Weaver E8's have no exhaust stacks), the F7 is actually a F9 of 1970s Atlas vintage I rescued from a junk box.
I guess to complete my odd NYC engines, I need a green E8, There were two 4053 and 4083 plus an E7B 4107. Notice I said green, not going to start anything over what the green was called, if even called anything by the NYC.
Gray Lackey
Greg,
Absolutely sweet. Keep up the good work.
Mike
@NHVRYGray posted:I am a southeast railfan (plus WV), but I will admit that I am also a closet NYC fan. at least lines west of Buffalo in OH, IN, WV.
So I really like the unique or odd. See pictures below of the experimental gold (instead of white) Cigar Band on three locomotives. As far as I have seen pictures there were four engines painted this way, E8's 4055 and 4041, F7 1754 and F3 1608.
The E8's are Weaver with exhaust stacks and spark arresters added (for some reason, Weaver E8's have no exhaust stacks), the F7 is actually a F9 of 1970s Atlas vintage I rescued from a junk box.
I guess to complete my odd NYC engines, I need a green E8, There were two 4053 and 4083 plus an E7B 4107. Notice I said green, not going to start anything over what the green was called, if even called anything by the NYC.
Gray Lackey
Beautiful Gray!
I also think you nailed the NYC dark gray, which we believe is the same as they used on other pieces of equipment and is a darkish gray with a touch of khaki. Right @harmonyards?
- Mario
I know Pat hates rattlecans, and I have a brand new airbrush I need to learn how to use. BUT
The gray is Tamiya TS-67 IJN GRAY with two coats of clear before the decals and one after.
The black is Scalecoat II with a coat of clear after the decals
@CentralFan1976 posted:Beautiful Gray!
I also think you nailed the NYC dark gray, which we believe is the same as they used on other pieces of equipment and is a darkish gray with a touch of khaki. Right @harmonyards?
- Mario
@NHVRYGray posted:I know Pat hates rattlecans, and I have a brand new airbrush I need to learn how to use. BUT
The gray is Tamiya TS-67 IJN GRAY with two coats of clear before the decals and one after.
The black is Scalecoat II with a coat of clear after the decals
Beautiful Gray!!!!….very nice work!!…..
about the time Gray came to visit the shops, is about the same time the Dreyfuss gray paint was delivered to the shops ……hmmmmmm…..coincidence??…..or possible espionage?……you know, I wondered why Gray kept saying “ hey …look over there!” ….
No, No, ….I’m only kidding …..Gray, that engine looks awesome!!
Pat
Here's a paint question for all you NYC specialists. Polly Scale made a Jade green #370 and a Penn Central green #368. The #368 is darker and seems to be the color of the boxcars and cabooses. #370 looks to be the color of the 3 green E units mentioned previously.
See the above picture, This is a phone picture taken on white in sun and shade (of phone). I bought this green to use on a Detroit Diesel engine in a truck model (close) and also as the anti rust coating as seen on pipe loads (really close). Since I don't have any references except computer pictures for the locomotives, what do think for green. I'm looking for some PollyScale 370 if for nothing but a reference.
I think it's a little dark, but the K Line and MTH greens were off a little as well (my thinking) and older light greens didn't seem to fare too well outdoors constantly like a locomotive is.
What's your thoughts?
Pat will be pleased, If I get some paint I will have to learn to use my airbrush.
Thanks
Gray Lackey
@NHVRYGray posted:Here's a paint question for all you NYC specialists. Polly Scale made a Jade green #370 and a Penn Central green #368. The #368 is darker and seems to be the color of the boxcars and cabooses. #370 looks to be the color of the 3 green E units mentioned previously.
See the above picture, This is a phone picture taken on white in sun and shade (of phone). I bought this green to use on a Detroit Diesel engine in a truck model (close) and also as the anti rust coating as seen on pipe loads (really close). Since I don't have any references except computer pictures for the locomotives, what do think for green. I'm looking for some PollyScale 370 if for nothing but a reference.
I think it's a little dark, but the K Line and MTH greens were off a little as well (my thinking) and older light greens didn't seem to fare too well outdoors constantly like a locomotive is.
What's your thoughts?
Pat will be pleased, If I get some paint I will have to learn to use my airbrush.
Thanks
Gray Lackey
I’ll defer this question to my colleagues Mario & Pete, …..I am not hip on diesel paint codes & matching, ……
Pat
@harmonyards posted:I’ll defer this question to my colleagues Mario & Pete, …..I am not hip on diesel paint codes & matching, ……
Pat
@NHVRYGray, here’s what we know and the NYCSHS has a great article on it here: https://nycshs.org/nyc-colors/.
This is the Century Green formulation that we used when we painted our Central NY NRHS Chapter’s bay window caboose at the NY Fairgrounds. A seldom known fact is that this same green ended up being used in auto production as factory colors for at least Dodge and then Ford… which makes me think that someone at the Central left and went to work in the automotive industry. 🤔
I’ve seen pictures where it looks dark like your color, but I’d guess to say that it’s a little dark to my eye. Check out the freshly painted caboose in the sun here: https://m.facebook.com/KLW3DPrinting
On the photo page…
Thanks!
- Mario
The cabooses came in today!
thanks!
- Mario
For all of you NYC fans, sharing that I recently picked this up at my local BAM bookstore. Very enjoyable and I definitely recommend it if you’re a big Central fan. It includes a great article on the Hudson, among others, as well as Lionel’s original 700E.
Available on-line for about $11.00 including free shipping I think. Thanks for the headsup.
Step 3 Buy Trains - even if they don't fit on your layout! Weaver brass Dreyfuss Hudson and two Weaver aluminum 20th Century limited cars. I've already posted these on the Buy Anything Cool Lately forum so forgive the repetition if ou saw them already.
coach Joe congratulations on a great find. I don’t see those up for sale too often. Here is a photo that includes another 5445 Dreyfuss Hudson. Both are MTH. The conventional J-1e is numbered for the CCC & St L or ‘Big Four’.
@coach joe If that's Gerstner tool chest in your photo, you picked the best display base possible! Oh and nice engine too...
John
It's from Harbor Freight, definitely not a Gerstner, but real nice just the same.
New York Central steam locomotives are among my favorites - especially NYC F-12 4-6-0 ten-wheelers. Here's mine.
MELGAR
Here is the classic Lionel 2344 NYC F-3 from 1950-1952
Don
Mel, Don you've got some real Classic Beauties!
@coach joe- Thanks Joe, appreciate the comment!
Don
Running a Custom Lionel FA NYC I built several years ago
Nice job on the FA, Lee.
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