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The single most important factor in improving the standard of living for billions of people all around the world in last third of the 20th century was the increase in efficiency added to global transportation by containerization. Handling goods once at their point of origin, shipping them across continents or oceans and unloading them one time at their destination dramatically reduced the cost of transportation by increasing asset utilization and reducing labor, breakage and theft. That reduction in cost made goods produced all around the world affordable to people living all over the world. It increased purchasing power at the very same time that it made labor more valuable. That double impact has helped to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and allowed hundreds of millions more to enjoy the kinds of goods and services that were once only common in western Europe and North America.

 

Many people and transportation firms were working on improving transportation efficiency through containerization in the middle of the 20th century. American railroads began offering highway trailer on flat car service and formed Trailer Train, now TTX, for joint ownership of piggy back flat cars in 1955. The US military developed container express or Con Ex boxes to overcome delays, damage and theft at ports. On the west coast the Alaskan Steam Ship Company and Matson developed containers to improve the efficiency of their respective operations between Seattle and Alaska and San Francisco and Hawaii. But the man regarded as the father of containerization, modern intermodal transportation and globalization started out as a farmer, became a truck owner/operator and built and then sold one of America's largest trucking companies to become a steamship company owner and make his vision of containerized intermodal transportation a reality. His name was Malcom McLean and his vision created Sea-Land.

 

On April 26, 1956 McLean's first container ship, the Ideal X, left New York Harbor with fifty-eight 35 foot long containers on board for Houston, Texas. By the 1960s Sea-Land had expanded its routes to Europe and Asia and offered patented container design features for use royalty free to help establish international standardization. By the 1970s 20 foot and 40 foot containers had been accepted as international standards and Twenty Foot Equivalent Units or TEUs had become the standard unit for measuring the capacity of ships, ports and growing international trade.

 

This short TED-Ed video gives tells the story of Malcom McLean, his inspiration and his impact on the world we live in today.

 

 

Container ships dramatically increased the efficiency of shipping between ports. Trucks extended the reach of cost effective containerized shipping hundreds of miles inland from ports. But in the vast expanse of the North American continent there were opportunities for further increases in efficiency via rail transportation from port cities into the American heartland and even as a land bridge for expedited shipments between Asia and Europe. As promising as container traffic was for railroads in the 1970s there were still legal and technical impediments to growth.

 

The bankruptcy of northeastern and midwestern railroads shocked the US Congress into deregulating railroad rates. This finally enabled the railroads to offer lower prices to steamship companies without having to endure the delay and expense of petitioning the government to allow the railroad to charge a lower rate and retaining lawyers to represent them through the bureaucratic process.

 

The basic technical problem facing railroads in containerized shipping was one of length verses weight.  The forty foot shipping container was as long as a 1950s boxcar but carried only about half the weight. While two 40 foot containers were commonly hauled on an 89 foot flat car in the 1970s they made for a longer train than one of the same tonnage composed of boxcars. That made container trains too long for sidings if the tonnage of the train was heavy enough to take full advantage of the economic promise of trainload shipments of containers.

 

In 1977 the Southern Pacific, Sea-Land and car builder ACF teamed up to build the first well car that allowed one 35 or 40 foot container to be stacked on top of another and secured by end bulkheads.  By stacking container the SP was able to put the same tonnage that could be carried on an 89 foot flat car in approximately half the length. That meant a siding length full tonnage container train was a real possibility. A three unit articulated car set followed in 1979. When Southern Pacific received the freedom to price their services in 1981 Sea-Land made a major commitment to container shipping by rail and ordered 42 five unit articulated well cars, enough for two complete trains. The articulated car sets proved the concept of double stack trans and offered dramatically reduced slack action over conventional railcars.

 

Gunderson Twin-Stacks

 

By the mid 1980s the Gunderson Twin-Stack helped to make the double stack concept a standard from coast to coast with five platform articulated car sets. Sea-Land's original 35 foot containers were phased out 20 and 40 footers remained most common while new, longer 45 and 48 foot containers came into use and well car length grew to accommodate the longer containers.

 

Both Atlas and MTH have produced models of the Gunderson Twin-Stack for the O scale market.

 

Atlas introduced their model in 2006. Available in 2 or 3 rail they feature diecast construction and a high level of detail. Sold in two car A/B end sets and three car C/D/E intermediate sets, containers are available separately. The wells will accommodate 20 foot (lower level) or 40 and 45 foot containers.

 

 

MTH has offered models of the Gunderson Twin-Stack since 2007. They have been available as a two unit end car set, three unit intermediate set, single 5 unit set or as a 5 unit set with a GP60M, SD70ACe or AC4400 diesel locomotive. The models are made from injection molded plastic and 20, 40 or 48 foot containers are included.

 

 

The Gunderson Husky-Stack

 

The Husky-Stack can carry heavier loads than articulated cars and railroads and TTX have purchased them as single cars or drawbar connected sets. The upper level containers are secured with shipboard style twist locks making end bulkheads unnecessary.

 

MTH brought the first injection molded double stack car model to the 3 rail O scale market in their Fall/Winter 1996 catalog with their rendition of the Gunderson Husky-Stack 48 foot single platform well. First offered with with two 48 foot containers...

 

 

these mainstays of the Premier line have a also been offered with two 20 foot containers and a single 40 foot container...

 

 

two 20 foot ISO tanks and a single 40 foot container...

 

or two 20 foot containers and a single 48 foot container.

 

 

Lionel's entry in the stack train market is also based on the Gunderson Husky-Stack. Introduced in 2005 the Lionel model features a diecast body and comes with containers. Decorated as a 48 foot car the well is only 45 scale feet long as are the containers.

 

 

K-Line also offered a version of the Husky-Stack and the competing Thrall well car with diecast models.

 

 

The K-Line cars are decorated as having 48 foot wells. However, the wells measure only 40 scale feet long. That brings up an interesting situation in the world of intermodal transportation and O scale modeling. Since the 1990s the market for well cars has shifted as containers have evolved. Today's well car is likely to be either a 40 foot car for international containers or have a 53 foot well for domestic containers. Some older well cars have even been rebuilt to the shorter or longer lengths. The K-Line cars are the only O gauge models with a 40 foot well and no model is yet available with the now common 53 foot well.

 

Gunderson Maxi-IV

 

Atlas has responded to the demand for models of the well cars most commonly seen today with the Gunderson Maxi-IX.  The Maxi-IV will accommodate 53 foot domestic containers.  Atlas is building them as three unit sets.  Delivery of the first production run is expected in the second quarter of 2016.

 

 

Modern Trailer on Flat Car Models

 

Several different styles of car have been built in attempts to handle highway trailers in an efficient fashion. One of the most radical and least successful was the Front Runner. Designed in the early 1980s a built by a variety of manufacturers they proved prone to derailments. Mass scrapping took place in the early 2000s.

 

Atlas introduced their model of the Front Runner just as the real cars were falling to the torch. They feature diecast construction and come with an Atlas 45 foot Pines trailer.

 

 

MTH has cataloged five unit spine car sets twice, first the 20-95035 in 1997 Volume 1 and then the 20-95036 in 1998 Volume 2.  They Feature a mix of containers and trailers.

 

 

Two car sets have been offered more recently.

 

 

K-line produced the K77027E TTUX diecast 5 unit spine car set...

 

 

as well as 3 packs and individual cars.

 

 

For the domestic intermodal market Bowser offers 53' O scale road railers.

 

 

And Weaver makes 53 foot trailers.  Three of them aboard a pair of 89 foot flat cars would add contemporary flair to an intermodal train.

 

 

Separate sale containers make O scale intermodal modeling fun, colorful and full of virtually endless combinations of cars and containers.

 

 

As always, additions or corrections are most welcome.  And let us see your O scale models of modern intermodal equipment. 

 

For information on earlier TOFC models see the Piggy Back flatcar thread.

 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...piggy-back-flat-cars

 

For information on other types of O scale freight cars see the O Scale Freight Car Guide.

 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...le-freight-car-guide

 

And for information on O scale locomotives see the O Scale Locomotive Guide.

 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...ale-locomotive-guide

 

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Ted,

 

Thanks for doing this. Here's a video I grabbed a few years ago of one of my Santa Fe intermodals, consisting of MTH spines and Atlas Front Runners and 89 ft. pig flats. This is Train 199, a high-priority intermodal that ran between Chicago and Richmond, CA. All of the equipment and trailers are era-appropriate (circa 1993). Everything is outfitted with Kadee couplers and the diesels all of fixed pilots and full handrails:

 

 

 

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Excellent as always Ted, thanks.

 

There has been a real void since the accidental loss of the original intermodal primer in the "great Hoop-la experiment of 2014". Is there any chance you could expand on the actual containers a bit more?

 

I have a pretty extensive collection including offerings from:

  • Atlas
  • K-line
  • MTH
  • Lionel
  • Weaver
  • Right-of-Way
  • Bowser road railers
  • Some obscure off brand

I guess the one thing that has bugged me (aside from the lack of 53' equipment) is that no two manufacturer's containers stack securely together without modification. This is something that the primer had discussed in depth.

 

Here are a few intermodal cars made by a gentleman name Gary Cliborn in the early to mid 90's, under the business name, Skillfingers Model Company. Skillfingers made a Thrall stand alone 48' well car, a 5 car 48' articulated set, a stand alone Gunderson 48' well car, and a Gunderson Maxi III 5 car set, and a Gunderson 5 car twinstack set. He also made containers in 40',45' and 48' to go along with his well cars. All of these were scratch built out of styrene. He did some nice work in my opinion. A few pics below.

 

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Gunderson Twinstack first pic with Pecos River Brass and Atlas container. Second pic has a Atlas and a Right of Way container. Third pic has two Right of Way containers.

 

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Here is some H&B Engineering 48' Thrall stand alone well cars that were manufactured in the early to middle 90's. These cars are metal cars and they also manufactured metal containers to go with the cars. They were also sold in articulated sets of two, three and five car sets. They were available in 2 and 3 rail. Pics below of a 2 rail and 3 rail stand alone 48' car below.

 

 

 

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Thanks everyone for the photos and videos.  You all have some great models, many of them early or unusual and have provided information on models to which I do not have access.  Thanks for contributing and making this a more valuable resource for everyone on the OGR forum.

 

There has been a real void since the accidental loss of the original intermodal primer in the "great Hoop-la experiment of 2014". Is there any chance you could expand on the actual containers a bit more?

 

I have a pretty extensive collection including offerings from:

  • Atlas
  • K-line
  • MTH
  • Lionel
  • Weaver
  • Right-of-Way
  • Bowser road railers
  • Some obscure off brand

 

Elliot

 

I have some intermodal equipment an look forward to posting some photos or videos in the future.  But you have quite a few models that I do not have.  I'll leave the info sharing on container production and compatibility up to those of you who are more knowledgeable than I.

 

This is an audience participation thread, and will be much the better for it. 

 

The Gunderson Maxi Stack IV would be a fantastic presentation for the 21st Century Model Railroaders!

 

Swafford

 

I agree!  I hope that we get some good news on the intermodal front at York.

 

Thanks for sharing the illustration. 

 

Needed are Intermodal cranes of various types and sizes.

 

Here is a MiJack O scale crane.

 

Pro Hobby

 

That is another great idea, right up there with Maxi IVs.  Lionel did the 6-12741 Mi Jack crane but that was back in the 90s.  Time for a new crane for all those model intermodal terminals.

 

 

 

 

While Skillfingers' cars were probably the first (hand made) well cars, I think ROW's cars were the first mass-produced well cars; the original issue included two 20' and one 40' container(s) along with metal walkways.  For me, the pinnacle of well cars will always be John Smith's Pecos River Brass cars!  He had made, 100 sets of Thrall 5-unit cars and 100 sets of Gunderson bulkhead cars.  One of the latter cars was recently for sale on ebay for over $1800!!!      

Originally Posted by H Scheg:

Does anyone have a source for the Intermodal Tanks?  I have been looking for a set for over a year to no avail?

Far as I know, only K-line and MTH have made 20' ISO tanks. The K-line ones are getting hard to find and expensive when you do. Prepare to spend $20 and up each as they are die cast. The MTH ones are plastic and more reasonably priced in the $10 - $15 range.

I had the K-Line trailers but sold them when I found a more detailed intermodal chassis model. Also the K-Line trailers were only available in limited sizes & I didn’t think they offered the chassis for the 53’ containers like the ones that Swafford posted. I had a K-Line drop-frame trailer for like their scale proportioned 20’ ISO tank containers (very good) & the ladder type for their non-scale proportioned 40’ containers (not good).

 

Here is a link to a 1:50 Scale intermodal chassis imported by WSI. It is extendable making it suitable for 20’ or 40’ containers. The extendable feature also allows it to be used with our marginally bigger 1:48 scale containers. This is most likely a model of a European prototype since there isn’t much chrome plating or shiny aluminum to make it look American but they are comparable to the current prototype intermodal chassis offerings from Pratt, Cheetah, CIMC. I will post some photos of this trailer with various 1:48 scale & 1:50 scale containers later this week.

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

 
Originally Posted by tplee:

Swafford

Are the container frames from K-Line.  Do you have a source for them?

Thanks for any help in getting some. I have only 2, but would like a stand of them.

tplee

 

Here are some images of the WSI 1:50 scale container chassis with K-Line 20’ ISO tank containers. The tractor unit is a 1:50 scale Australian Kenworth K200 imported by TWH Collectables.

 

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Here are some images of the WSI 1:50 scale container chassis with a WSI 1:50 scale 40’ flat-rack container in the colors of Ocean Traders, with some construction machines.

 

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Here are some images for the K-Line chassis for the 20’ containers. I
like this model better since the container was more scale-proportioned making
them look good together. I used the International tractor from the K-Line
Ringling Bros truck / trailer set to pose with the chassis & containers.

 

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Here are some images of the K-Line 40’ container chassis. I did not like this much, not just because it lacks a lot of details but also because the K-Line container that it is compatible with is severely undersized in all dimensions, length, width & height compared to prototype dimensions for ISO containers. That made the combination look bad, so bad that you couldn’t pose it next to any scale containers like Atlas or MTH.

 

 

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Here are some images of the Atlas-O 45’ trailers with a tractor unit, a 1:50 scale Australian Kenworth T904 imported by TWH Collectables.

 

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These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

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Originally Posted by trainroomgary:

Hi Ted • We saw the caboose go away, will the Intermodal Car, take away the boxcar & reefer car?

Gary

I don't think so Gary, at least not anytime soon. The caboose was not a revenue car and was done in by shifting technology and labor practices, making them unnecessary.

 

Box cars and reefers are used by customers that have direct rail access at both the shipping and receiving ends. They have higher capacity than containers and can be loaded and unloaded more easily. Their fate is tied to what customers want, and not to what the railroads want.

It looks like these will be 3-car sets. Assuming there will be 2 road#s/set I will probably get both road #s of the TTX (speed lettering) well cars and 1 road # of the "Pacer StackTrain."

 

I will leave 2 sets open for Canadian Pacific well cars anticipating these will be done in subsequent runs.

 

Newly-tooled 53' containers will be forthcoming, too. That's awesome news for sure!

 

Would someone on this forum know why TTX Gunderson Stack cars have markings “DO NOT LOAD 20 FT CONTAINER”? I bought 2 5-car sets of Atlas Gunderson cars with the new TTX logo, from the most recent run & the C-D-E cars have this marking as shown in the following photo. I thought this was a mistake until I came across this image of the real Gunderson car with the same markings. My BNSF Gunderson cars from an older run do not have this marking.

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

 

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Originally Posted by catnap:

It looks like these will be 3-car sets. Assuming there will be 2 road#s/set I will probably get both road #s of the TTX (speed lettering) well cars and 1 road # of the "Pacer StackTrain."

 

I will leave 2 sets open for Canadian Pacific well cars anticipating these will be done in subsequent runs.

 

Newly-tooled 53' containers will be forthcoming, too. That's awesome news for sure!

 

Atlas will also be coming out with 57' containers.

 

Clem 

Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Ron Balderrama:

Probably some sort of weight limitation, I'll bet.  And I'm guessing that notice not being on previous Gundersons was an oversight; the Pecos River Brass bulkhead cars carried that warning years ago. 

More likely that a 20 foot container should NOT be loaded in the space for a 45 foot container.

Sorry, but on these bulkhead cars, the bottom well will only accommodate a 40' container!   

Originally Posted by Ron Balderrama:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Ron Balderrama:

Probably some sort of weight limitation, I'll bet.  And I'm guessing that notice not being on previous Gundersons was an oversight; the Pecos River Brass bulkhead cars carried that warning years ago. 

More likely that a 20 foot container should NOT be loaded in the space for a 45 foot container.

Sorry, but on these bulkhead cars, the bottom well will only accommodate a 40' container!   

The bulkheads may make it difficult to unload 20's, i.e. only certain types of loaders may be able to grab them and not all facilities are so equipped. Since there are so many non-bulkhead options available now, just don't load them in that type of car.

 

This would beg the question, why would MTH sell their sets with two 20's on the bottom and a 40' on top? Maybe they didn't get the memo.

Got some of the Atlas-O 20’ intermodal containers when I stopped by Mr. Muffin’s Trains last weekend. These were supposed to be associated with the tooling Atlas acquired from Weaver. The containers are now part of Atlas-O Trainman line, unlike the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers that were part of the Master Line. There are 2 containers in 1 box, the box being the same size as the boxes for the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

I have never owned the old Weaver containers but the doors on these Atlas containers don’t open as hobbyists have preferred on these forums.

The containers have Atlas markings on the underside.

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The tops of the containers have oblong slots unlike the holes on prior Atlas containers. They don’t come with the pins that came loose in the box with the Atlas 40’ & 45’ containers.

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The underside has 4 pins molded into the plastic, around 2mm diameter like the metal pins on the underside of the containers in Lionel’s ~48’ Husky stack cars. This makes the container stick up when placed on a flat surface & the Atlas-O containers being scale-size, all 4 these pins do not fit well in the slots on the Lionel Husky cars.

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Steve (Mr. Muffin) mentioned that these should fit in the Atlas Gunderson cars but all my Gunderson cars are currently in their boxes & I wasn’t too motivated to unpack & assemble them to test these 20’ containers.

 Here are these containers in Lionel ~48’ Husky stack cars along with the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

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These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

 

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Does anyone make the original paint scheme Sea Land containers.  So you could buy them without the cars.  Lionel cars?  To add to the original posters labor comments, back in the day, mid 70s,  I hired out as an extra for a month or so on the Sacramento Docks. It was hit and miss depending on how may longshoremen showed that day.   I had a two day selection once.  It was a pretty big ship to load, and looking down into the hold from the deck was somewhat breathtaking for a farm kid from Nebraska.   Anyway, I worked two day shifts and even with multiple shifts, it took more than two days to finish loading.  The cranes swung in large pallets of rice bags, about 60 pounds or so each.  One by one the bags were taken off the pallets and re-stacked neatly in the hold. The ship was  bound for India where hand work was again necessary, I assume,  to unload. 

rdunniii posted:

I just saw this over on Railpictures

53' containers on spline cars

and thought if Atlas has the K-line spline car tooling and with the upcoming 53' containers all they need to add is the wheel frames and Viola!

I think there is a chassis trailer like the following model between the CSX container & the spine cars.

http://www.cheetahchassis.com/...k-container-chassis/

Swafford had been requesting these intermodal trailers when Ted started this intermodal freight car guide & I would also be interested in a lot if they aren’t too expensive. It would be neat to stack them vertically on racks as in the following photo I found on Flickr, of an intermodal yard near Chicago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...8NU4Zb-8NQZBH-8NQZfc

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

naveenrajan posted:

Got some of the Atlas-O 20’ intermodal containers when I stopped by Mr. Muffin’s Trains last weekend. These were supposed to be associated with the tooling Atlas acquired from Weaver. The containers are now part of Atlas-O Trainman line, unlike the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers that were part of the Master Line. There are 2 containers in 1 box, the box being the same size as the boxes for the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

I have never owned the old Weaver containers but the doors on these Atlas containers don’t open as hobbyists have preferred on these forums.

The containers have Atlas markings on the underside.

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The tops of the containers have oblong slots unlike the holes on prior Atlas containers. They don’t come with the pins that came loose in the box with the Atlas 40’ & 45’ containers.

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The underside has 4 pins molded into the plastic, around 2mm diameter like the metal pins on the underside of the containers in Lionel’s ~48’ Husky stack cars. This makes the container stick up when placed on a flat surface & the Atlas-O containers being scale-size, all 4 these pins do not fit well in the slots on the Lionel Husky cars.

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Steve (Mr. Muffin) mentioned that these should fit in the Atlas Gunderson cars but all my Gunderson cars are currently in their boxes & I wasn’t too motivated to unpack & assemble them to test these 20’ containers.

 Here are these containers in Lionel ~48’ Husky stack cars along with the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

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These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

 

The Lionel Husky-Stacks were configured on the inside floor to accommodate their under length 48' containers, they scale out to 46' ,1/2 inch short. This was done to move end bulkheads in 1/4" to allow 3 rail large flange trucks to negotiate their sharp curves 0-36+, if you measure the outside markings for container length on these cars you will see they all come up short 40/20, 45 ,48. just saying!

naveenrajan posted:
rdunniii posted:

I just saw this over on Railpictures

53' containers on spline cars

and thought if Atlas has the K-line spline car tooling and with the upcoming 53' containers all they need to add is the wheel frames and Viola!

I think there is a chassis trailer like the following model between the CSX container & the spine cars.

http://www.cheetahchassis.com/...k-container-chassis/

Swafford had been requesting these intermodal trailers when Ted started this intermodal freight car guide & I would also be interested in a lot if they aren’t too expensive. It would be neat to stack them vertically on racks as in the following photo I found on Flickr, of an intermodal yard near Chicago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...8NU4Zb-8NQZBH-8NQZfc

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

Yup,  that's the part I called a wheel frame.  Had no clue what they were actually called.  And I also agree those would be nice standalone general modeling stuff.   Most 40' plus model containers already have the section in the floor to accept them.  20' chassis would also be nice to put them on spline or flat cars.  A good candidate for 3D printing but probably expensive going that route.

I have put together a tutorial on making O scale cardboard containers. Printing on card stock, reinforcing, adding weight, magnets, metallic trim, door locking rods, and more. I posted it on the Hi Rail, Traditional O gauge forum, should have put it on this forum.  I just added 30 printable files for O scale 20 foot containers. These are great for filling the bottom well in both the Atlas and MTH twin stacks. Much easier to change out and frees up some of your 40 footers for other duty or stacking around the layout.

EASY, How to make your own O Scale RR intermodal/shipping containers (20 to 53 foot)

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This is a great thread.   This ismamkline flat car that accepts stakes and 40' older Kline containers.   They obviously aren't maxi but was wondering how these Kline containers (which open) compare to the atlas and Lionel containers.  Does anyone have photos to share ? I presume they are inter operable but wouod like to see a size comparison if Indecide to rig something.  Thanks!image

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Tom E posted:

This is a great thread.   This ismamkline flat car that accepts stakes and 40' older Kline containers.   They obviously aren't maxi but was wondering how these Kline containers (which open) compare to the atlas and Lionel containers.  Does anyone have photos to share ? I presume they are inter operable but wouod like to see a size comparison if Indecide to rig something.  Thanks!image

Pictures are below. Atlas containers are more finely rendered, but both would be scale sized. The K Line container may be slightly wider. The pins are radically different in size. The K Line pins won't fit the Atlas container. Probably to stack them just use a loop of reversed tape between them.

The K-Line container fits in MTH Premier Husky Stack cars and also the old Right of Way Industries cars (which I think are the cars now offered by Menards). I don't think they fit the Atlas Twin Stack cars at least in the well. The Atlas 40 footer doesn't fit the ROW car well  because of the door hardware. A pair of Atlas (formerly Weaver) 20 footers will fit in the ROW car and an an Atlas 40 or 53 footer fits nicely on top (with the pins). 

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Hope this helps. 

RM

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I've got some close-up photos of a Norfolk Southern-painted Chetah chassis and container that I took on my ancient clam shell phone.  The chassis, with it's RR-related detailing, struck me as a nice modeling feature -- albeit a tiny deatil. If I can find them, I'll post them. The photo link that Naveen posted showing stacked groups of them was really amazing.

While commuting, I keep my eyes open for NFS and CSX painted chassises; JB Hunt seems to own a lot of them as well.  

Tomlinson Run Railroad

Thanks for reactivating this topic. While we are pleased that Atlas-O’s introduced models of modern intermodal equipment, with their 53’ containers, Canadian Tire, a Canada-only, store-chain, has started testing 60’ long intermodal containers, earlier this year.

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I can’t verify it but online articles claim that in 1994, Canadian Tire pioneered the introduction, testing & proved the viability of the 53’ intermodal containers and now many railroads & shipping companies in North America, use these 53’ containers. If Canadian Tire is successful with their tests with these 60’ containers, we might see more of them on trains in the future.

Before someone on this forum objects the legality of transporting these containers on trucks, here in the US, based on some local, state or federal law, I want to reiterate that Canadian Tire appears to only have stores in Canada, none in the US & we might not be seeing these containers on trains or on trucks, here in the US. The articles from the time of the press-release in May 2017, stated that these 60’ containers were only approved for road transport in the Canadian provinces of Alberta & Ontario, & only with trucks that had a day-cab, which leads me to wonder if Canadian Pacific might have had some influence in not getting the trucks with these 60’ containers to be allowed in the 2 provinces between them, Saskatchewan & Manitoba, requiring these containers to be transported by rail.

In the following photo, look how long the 60’ container looks, with the regular 53’ container in the lower position on the well car.

The custom 60’ containers were fabricated at a Mississippi company, American Intermodal Container Manufacturing Company (AICM).

The custom trailers that would be compatible with the current 53’ containers & these experimental 60’ containers were made by a Quebec company, Max-Atlas.

These are just my opinion,

Naveen

Atlas-O 53’ containers are available in more than 6 road numbers

Just found out that even though Atlas-O’s website for the 53’ intermodal containers mentions “Six road numbers are available per road name.”, there are 8 road numbers to choose from. Last month, when I visited Mr. Muffin’s Trains to purchase the white CSX containers from an earlier run, I noticed that in addition to the 3006301-1,-2,-3,-4,-5 & -6 Item #s, there was a -7, which I was not expecting. The salesperson looked up the Atlas-O website & assumed that it might have been a printing mistake.

But last week I saw -7 & -8, again, this time, at Des Plaines Hobbies.

This week, while on the phone with Atlas-O to get an updated delivery date on the Maxi-IV well cars & the 53’ containers from the most recent announcement, I learnt that while the 6-pack packs of these 53’ containers only contain 6 unique road numbers, the container assortment packs contain 2 more road numbers for each road name.

Thanks,

Naveen

I wanted to add a pic of some of the custom Maxi-III's I created using the MTH Premier husky stacks. These required cutting the ends, adding details, etc. but all in all, a cool car to add to my intermodal fleet for containers. This also made the cars ride extremely low, with a very prototypical ride height. 

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I recently started an intermodal project that has really added some cool cars to my intermodal fleet. I obtained several K-Line 40’ Thrall and Gunderson cars for this project. Here are a couple pics. The BNSF set was made using the Gunderson cars. I had a machine shop cut the ends off the articulated cars and added some Evergreen plastic to build the ends and undercarriage. Also note the brake system with brass tubing.

the Thrall set was made by removing the ends altogether on all the cars and building correct size platforms for eacH end of car. Altogether I have 3  40’ well Thrall 5-car sets and 3 Gunderson sets using the 40’ wells. I had custom decals made for TTX in their new logo design for some of these sets. More pics to follow. 

I also have several stand alone 40’ well cars in both Thrall and Gunderson. 

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@Jeff78rr posted:

I recently started an intermodal project that has really added some cool cars to my intermodal fleet. I obtained several K-Line 40’ Thrall and Gunderson cars for this project. Here are a couple pics. The BNSF set was made using the Gunderson cars. I had a machine shop cut the ends off the articulated cars and added some Evergreen plastic to build the ends and undercarriage. Also note the brake system with brass tubing.

the Thrall set was made by removing the ends altogether on all the cars and building correct size platforms for eacH end of car. Altogether I have 3  40’ well Thrall 5-car sets and 3 Gunderson sets using the 40’ wells. I had custom decals made for TTX in their new logo design for some of these sets. More pics to follow. 

I also have several stand alone 40’ well cars in both Thrall and Gunderson. 


Jeff,

Beautiful work on those. To accurately model intermodal, especially stack trains, one needs articulated well cars. It's too bad we don't have more options. I have several Atlas 53 foot sets, though those are too new for my primary focus, which is Santa Fe operations. (I periodically "update" everything timewise to contemporary BNSF and UP and that's when those cars come out...). I have one of the two-car K-Line set and have toyed with trying to find another one or two to make a three or five car set. I think you've inspired me to follow through. Another option I've mulled is buying one of the MTH twin-stack sets and cutting off the "bulkhead" parts on the car ends to model later Gunderson 40 foot well cars. 

But your cars look great. Do you run DPUs and do the two-rail wheelsets handle that OK?

RM

 

Hi Rich, and thank you for the comments! I do run DPUs on this train, and the 2R trucks work perfectly. I like the 2R trucks as they allow the car to sit lower, as I can mount the truck closer to the bottom of the cars. My entire intermodal fleet is 2R truck-equipped as it looks so cool like this. I would definitely recommend getting some K-Line cars to articulate. However, in my opinion, the parts supplied from K-Line to do this make the cars so far apart it looks very unrealistic. Plus the car sit so high using their parts. I've got these cars sitting as low as the Atlas O Gunderson cars.

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I recently got a set of K-Line 3 car TTAX Spline set without containers.  So my question is what containers will work on it?  My Lionel and MTH containers will not fit, they have posts on the containers, while the K-Line cars have posts on the car.  I haven't had any luck looking for containers on the auction site.  What should I be looking for?

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I think you're pretty much limited to K Line containers unless you're willing to improvise. No other brand I know of is going to fit. (See for example my post above comparing Atlas and K Line mounting holes). If you're willing to cut the tabs off the bottom of the MTH containers, you might be able to drill mounting holes large enough for them to mount on the K Line cars. I'd make a cardboard template and use a pin vise. Going the other way, I suppose you could trim the K Line tabs off the cars flush with the mounting surface, drill holes and glue Atlas mounting pins to the K Line car. Again I'd make a template if I was doing this. 

RM

@sinclair posted:

I recently got a set of K-Line 3 car TTAX Spline set without containers.  So my question is what containers will work on it?  My Lionel and MTH containers will not fit, they have posts on the containers, while the K-Line cars have posts on the car.  I haven't had any luck looking for containers on the auction site.  What should I be looking for?

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Try searching for "MDK containers" on the auction site. There are a few available right now.

Happy Hunting

@Jeff78rr posted:

Hi Rich, and thank you for the comments! I do run DPUs on this train, and the 2R trucks work perfectly. I like the 2R trucks as they allow the car to sit lower, as I can mount the truck closer to the bottom of the cars. My entire intermodal fleet is 2R truck-equipped as it looks so cool like this. I would definitely recommend getting some K-Line cars to articulate. However, in my opinion, the parts supplied from K-Line to do this make the cars so far apart it looks very unrealistic. Plus the car sit so high using their parts. I've got these cars sitting as low as the Atlas O Gunderson cars.

You run the 2R trucks on 3R track (based on your pictures)? How do they handle your turnouts?

I ask because I’ve thought about going with 2R trucks for cars I don’t have trucks for. 

Just picked some of the new Atlas-O, 40', Refrigerated containers.

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Seems like these were from new tooling. The doors don't open unlike the earlier 40' & 45' containers. It appears to me that the details on the non-functioning doors seem to have finer details now that they don't open.

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The Blue Atlas packaging seems to be closer to the lighter shade from the boxes from the 2000's. I walked past these containers and a Coalveyor from the most recent run because the shade of the box misled me to think they were new-old-stock.

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Also, I like that the boxes for these refrigerated containers are smaller than the boxes for the earlier 40' & 45' containers. I had 4 addresses in the last 4 years and I used to wish that the packaging for these model trains didn't take up so much space.

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These are just my opinion,

Naveen Rajan

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