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Originally posted by bob2:
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The extrusion has no window cut outs? Do you need to provide that yourself? If so how?


I have found an end mill to be the only viable way to cut windows, unless you have a special punch setup. You can hand-file if you want, but your psychiatrist bill will be much bigger than the cost of a small mill.


What is an end mill? Just curious.
If you want Williams parts, you can find the Metroliner sets fairly reasonably priced. I think I only paid $150 for mine used. Here is a photo of mine from my pre-focus days of O gauge railroading.









And Bachmann's more accurate version from the 70's in HO:


Note that the HO version is more accurate on the scale of the end. Williams compressed the end to be more visually in line with the shorter car.

Jonathan

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PRRTrainguy:
Parts arrived



Shell is scale length, non engineer end is plastic and very nice. The operator end is rough and has too many windows and doors are not correct.


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With further research, found these pictures in Pennsylvania Electric Locomotives & MU cars by Leijestrand & Sweetland.





Both are close but have flat sides whereas this end has convexity as per Amtrack coaches. But end is probably origional model for this end.
PRRtrainguy, you do realize you are trying to compare two different MU electric models. the Photo at the PRR rr museum of Pa is of a Genuine PRR Metroliner. your book photos are of Silverliner I's from Budd, to distinctively uniqe models.

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Originally posted by prrhorseshoecurve:
PRRtrainguy, you do realize you are trying to compare two different MU electric models. the Photo at the PRR rr museum of Pa is of a Genuine PRR Metroliner. your book photos are of Silverliner I's from Budd, to distinctively uniqe models.


I probably did not make it clear, I am comparing the metal end which was clearly pointed out as non metroliner.

With these two pictures, I was trying to point out though non metroliner it also is not completely prototypical even for these cars due to sides being convex and origional cars had flat sides.
I would love to see a scale Metroliner and a Silver liner in PRR markings, I seen them everyday when they ran from 30th street station.
I remember MTH doing a railking version but cancelled it from lack of orders. I thought the painting/drawing made it look horrible that is one reason I did not order it.
I believe both versions would only look good in a true scale version including the different models.

I am a little hesitant in buying a resin casting of them, I worked with resins many time and have yet to find one that would be hardy enough to stand up to three rail running, they are also very easy to warp from heat. I know beggars can't be choosey but I thinks I would pass on the resin one.MHO
John
http://home.earthlink.net/~mcjackson/angelsgate.htm Charter member of the greatest RR Club in the World. "Angels Gate Highrailers"
Now have seven shells and non operator ends.

Am ordering Budd book and hopefully it will have enough information to allow for window placement for coaches, parlor and dinette.

Modeling of operator end to begin relatively soon.

Ordering motorized truck.

Any update on falvey pantograph availability?
I wasn't sure Ed Duddy was still in business. I will have to contact him re this and some other parts.

Do Metroliners have one or two faively pantographs on each car?
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I have been in contact with Ed Duddy. Hopefully next weekend he will be able to supply me with Falvey's and some sorely needed catenary parts.

I almost by accident found a set of Williams Metroliners and purchased them. I have been trying to mold a engineers end, and have frustrated myself more than succeeded. Have casted and tried to make duplicates with minimal success. There must be a better answer, just have to find it.

Will post pix of Falveys when I receive them.

Trying to obtain side view drawings has been a total waste and loss.

Keep plugging away.

mikeg

Oh for a spell checker on forum!
RR Museum of PA came thru with side pictures etc.

It is adobe document and have no idea how to attach to this posting. I have it as attachment to origional e mail and saved on my computer.

Can anyone help and I will post it. Great stuff.

mikeg
RR Museum of Pa. has changed policy. Last time I published photos from them, it was permissible with mention of them in the caption. Now it seems they want $25 for each time a photo is published, and it is not clear whether that is $25 for each time it appears in a magazine, or for each time the magazine copy rolls off the press. It would be nice if they did not care about internet publishing, but I think I would check.

Harold Vollrath still allows free publication - what a nice guy, and a fellow hobbyist.
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Originally posted by bob2:
RR Museum of Pa. has changed policy. Last time I published photos from them, it was permissible with mention of them in the caption. Now it seems they want $25 for each time a photo is published, and it is not clear whether that is $25 for each time it appears in a magazine, or for each time the magazine copy rolls off the press. It would be nice if they did not care about internet publishing, but I think I would check.

Harold Vollrath still allows free publication - what a nice guy, and a fellow hobbyist.


Nick Zmijewski is the one who sent drawings, no pictures. Am very appreciative, since every other avenue has been fruitless.

Scans are from 1970 Car Builders Cyclopedia.
If your scans are .PDF files, you may be able to capture them this way:

Using the 'snapshot' tool (version 8 or higher of Acrobat Reader), draw a marquee around the intended object to copy to the clipboard. Then open a new file in an imaging editing program such as PhotoShop. In most cases the new file will be the same size as what's copied to the clipboard (I know it is in PhotoShop), then paste the image into the new file, edit-resize as needed and save as a .JPG.

The snaphot tool captures at 72dpi, so enlarge the original if you want to then reduce size while increasing resolution, i.e: 300% enlargement to get 300 dpi resolution.

I am John Galt !

Chris

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Originally posted by PRR Man:
If your scans are .PDF files, you may be able to capture them this way:

Using the 'snapshot' tool (version 8 or higher of Acrobat Reader), draw a marquee around the intended object to copy to the clipboard. Then open a new file in an imaging editing program such as PhotoShop. In most cases the new file will be the same size as what's copied to the clipboard (I know it is in PhotoShop), then paste the image into the new file, edit-resize as needed and save as a .JPG.

The snaphot tool captures at 72dpi, so enlarge the original if you want to then reduce size while increasing resolution, i.e: 300% enlargement to get 300 dpi resolution.


I do not have Photoshop and have "Access snapshot viewer", both Adobe and copied to Word do not open.

I have good resolution in Word version and can copy but "post a reply" does not allow me to paste. Does anyone know how to paste to "post a reply"?


mikeg
it doesn't have to be PhotoShop.
MS Paint, Photo Elements, or any image program should allow you to paste a copied image, which can then be saved as a .JPG, .TIF, or .BMP

'Paint' is an accessory that comes with versions of the Windows OS, beginning with Win97.

this Forum's image posting function does not, I believe, allow for Word .DOC or .DOCX files, as they are not image files, but 'documents'.

I am John Galt !

Chris

Paint works and conmerted to jpg BUT cannot load to program via JC STUDIOS and left email to try and figure out why.

Will eventually get there, not for lack of trying.

mikeg
the simple way to add an image to a post is to create an album in the photo album section. once that's completed open the album, click 'detach image' right click on the URL up top in the pop-up image to copy it, then go to your post, click the image icon and paste the URL into the dialog line. your photo should now be inserted into your post.

I am John Galt !

Chris

Finally





I cannot believe the hoops to first obtain these drawing, then converting them so they could be posted on this forum.

They are close to being priceless.

With all the info I have and as soon as I receive Williams Metroliners, I should have enough to proceed.

A spell checker would be a nice addition to this program.

mikeg
Just a reminder that while the snacks and parlors had single arm pans, the full coaches had Stemmann [ I think I spelled that correctly, maybe one M ] pans that were 'diamond shaped but with a single arm on each side'. The original Jersey Arrows [ PC 100 class ] had em too. I don't know of an 0 ga source.

Also, a small but very visible detail: the cars with "The Fastest Phone in the East" [ the snacks and parlors ] had the white phone aerials on top.

Best regards, SZ

PS Due to catenary wave considerations, the cars on the NEC were operated in back to back pairs, with the trailing pan raised; there was a hard wire [ eg, bolted connections ] link between the two pans.

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