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Finally did it....I've been wanting a 6-8-6 Turbine for years. Don't ask me why, I just knew I wanted one. Couldn't decide on Postwar vs. Williams. 

Stopped by my "other" LHS yesterday as  was in the area. They tend to have a lot of older stuff as the owner is a Postwar enthusiast. I spotted a nice looking 681 on the shelf. I asked about it, saw it run and said "pack 'er up". They I started thinking - I don't know a THING about Postwar trains. I have no idea how to maintain them, what to do, etc. 

My loco is in nice shape overall. Some play wear and it looks like the headlight lense may have a small crack in it. It is a 681 with 2671W tender (in REALLY nice shape). Overall it is in good shape and has the original boxes. The box for the tender is nearly pristine and the box for the loco is not in as good of shape and is missing the end flaps, etc. 

It seems to run REALLY well. I have always had modern trains. I've had to remind myself that this thing isn't the modern technology that I'm used to. A few things I've noted:

1) The motor area of the loco, and after a bit, the entire loco feels warm pulling 4 modern MTH Railking 16" passenger cars on an 042 oval. My other loops have Ross switches (more on this later) and can't run it on those loops due to the coupler opening. 

2) Looking at the motor, from the back of the cab, I see two metal "slots". I think these are the brushes? I see some minor arcing in these slots/brushes. I'm told this is normal. 

3) The smoke works great, even with liquid smoke. E unit cycles well (need to be careful not to bump the lever sticking out of the shell) and magnetraction works well. Motor is a little loud but again I need to remind myself THIS ISN'T 2016 TECHNOLOGY!!! It seems to run well at reasonably slow speeds. It also uses a LOT of juice, compared to modern locos!

4) Whistle works great, I also note the whistle blows itself when the engine is starting to move in reverse. Not sure why but seems to be no big deal. 

5) I see the electro-coupler opens on my Ross switches. I'm told this is just a matter of some electrical tape on a section of the rail. Easy fix it sounds like. 

Is there anything I need to do? It was gone through before I bought it. I was thinking of maybe asking a few local "postwar heads" to give me a crash course on servicing and working on these old machines. 

Finally, I asked the store owner, a guy I've known for a long time, if he knew the history on the engine - who had it, etc. He said he did not. He mentioned it may have been an engine someone only took out at Christmas based on the condition of the engine and boxes. I was thinking in the car and have just been captivated by this - I wonder who had this thing 40 or more years ago? Who played with it and owned it? Who got this as a Christmas present one day? Just fascinating to me! If this turbine continues to run as well as it does now, I see many more Postwar purchases in my future. 

Any good tips, books, videos, etc to study?

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"Any good tips..."

Kalmbach/Greenberg have several books on Lionel postwar. I would suggest "Repair and Operating Manual for Lionel Trains 1945-1969."

There are also a few good internet sites that allow for downloading of schematics, diagrams, etc...

Have fun with your new purchase, you can always make room for a 682 or 671 in the near future.

 

 

Visit the Olsen's free library. Essentially, it is the Lionel factory service manual with additional information developed by the folks at Olsens.

Here is the beginning of the basic information on Lionel motors.

Lionel did not produce documentation for every item. Here is information on a similar turbine, it is probably the closest.

There is a lot of good information on the site. Sometimes it takes a bit of digging to find it.

I'll second the Repair and Operating manual for Lionel Trains 1945-1969. It's a valuable resource for postwar equipment.

Sounds like you have a great operating engine. I've got a 2020 that runs well, but not as good as what you describe. A couple years ago I worked on a co-workers 671, and it was a great runner. With a little routine maintenance, your engine will run well for decades to come.

If I may make a suggestion, consider an early 675/2025 for your next purchase. Properly tuned, they are the "Swiss Watch" of postwar Lionel. Very quiet, a lot of side rod action, nice smoke output, will coast to a stop, and fun to listen to the "tink-tink" sound of the smoke unit.  

I started laughing when I got to your comment "it runs really well".  You may have discovered the delight of quality postwar trains.  The F3's, FM's, and early NW-2 switchers are awesome runners as well.  I prefer the 736, 2046, &773 for pulling power in steam engines.  I had a 671 as a child which doesn't have magnatraction and didn't pull that well.  Your 681 is a step up and you got the good tender.  

Some of the high end mpc engines are very nice engines.   Most of the stuff sells for a fraction of the prices in the 90's.   But if you need the electronics you will be disappointed.

Take it back and buy an MPC 8404 Pennsy S2.  I think it looks and runs better.  Probably also in better condition and costs less.

From what I see an MPC 8404 turbine in nice shape goes for more than a 2020 or a 671. Probably about the same as a 681. The 682 is usually more.

I like turbines, I have several, including the 8404.
The only thing I don't like about it is the FARR logo on the tender.
Otherwise, the paint scheme is great.

All the postwar models run well.
My 8404 is still mint.

 

Welcome to the Postwar club. I use to have a 681 but sold it like a dumb dumb about 5 years ago. I presently have three 736's, three 2025's, four 675's, two 2055's and love them all. as for my big steam by Lionel. Yes I have modern engines with command in them and conventional modern engines but weather it be Steam or Diesel I prefer post war I guess because that's what I grew up with. 

Yes I understand the newer ones have all this and that but the postwar/prewar ( yes I have a few of them also ) I can go in there and know what I'm doing. I've never been real strong in electronics so this is great. I have a little of both. 

It sounds like you got a good engine. How well they run will depend on how much play time they have had in the past. Most all ran very smooth when new. The best runners were the pre magnatraction engines from the '40s but they will not pull as many cars as the later ones which tend to be noisier for some reason.

A few tips.

Olsen's has a library which has service diagrams of  most every Lionel Post war piece. Among other things they show the proper part numbers you can use when looking for parts like your headlight lens.

http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/searchcd1.htm

You don't want to put tape on your switches, rather you want to tape over the pick up shoe on the tender. Too bad Ross switches and Post War don't mix. I would suggest thin mylar tape rather than electrical tape after cleaning the shoe to remove and grease or oil.

Have fun.

Pete

Last edited by Norton

My 671 turbine has the twin shafts and is the noisiest of all mine. The 681,682 and 2020 are smooth and quiet. I don't get too uptight about pulling power because I don't run real long consists with any of my  engines. They are old and baby them a bit.  With my Zephyr I only run with 2 cars, the other car sits on the shelf. Plus my straights are only about 8 feet long.

SJC, my 681 was never the best smoker, so a few years ago I tried installing a fan-driven smoke unit that I bought from the late Boxcar Bill. It is great at higher voltage, but as you can see from the previous post of the College Park video, not the best at speed either. When i first installed it, I made this clip.

Great at high voltage standing, never has been this good at speed, though.

 

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