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Due to a recent post by Phobe Snow Route (Brian) about older Hudsons, I remembered when I did some restoration  work and glass beaded the bodies to bare metal to get a great start.   My question is, do any members think they would like to have a guy  they could send locomotive bodies and old tinplate bodies to that can glass bead the bodies to bare metal?  We have all seen world class restoration work and not so world class with many layers of spray can paint on them.

Thinking out loud.  This is something that is not very costly.    Your thoughts please.

 

Marty

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MartyF,

   Actually I would love to have this kind of professional Glass Bead stripping method available at a reasonable cost, in fact I use to slip the old Lionel O Gauge Rolling Stock that I was restoring, into the corner of the Westinghouse Bead Stripper, when other Westinghouse project were run, and man it worked like a million bucks.  Using this method you find out real quickly if the Tin Plate you picked up, is actually worth restoring.  I do not get to due as much restoring as I use to, but have a few pieces right now, I would really love to have fully strip using this method.

I am hoping a lot of Tin Plate guys want to send you trains Cars and Engines if you can get somebody to actually do the GBS work.

PCRR/Dave

Last edited by Pine Creek Railroad

Actually, there WAS a guy on here doing that for (some) people. If you were not one the good ole boys he would not reply. If you find a local auto engine rebuilder they may do it for you. A blast cabinet can be had as cheap as $99.00 from Harbor Freight. You would still need a suitable compressor.

Rob

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Due to a recent post by Phobe Snow Route (Brian) about older Hudsons, I remembered when I did some restoration  work and glass beaded the bodies to bare metal to get a great start.   My question is, do any members think they would like to have a guy  they could send locomotive bodies and old tinplate bodies to that can glass bead the bodies to bare metal?  We have all seen world class restoration work and not so world class with many layers of spray can paint on them.

Thinking out loud.  This is something that is not very costly.    Your thoughts please.

 

Marty

You are quite right, Marty. That's a tool that takes up alot of space and requires alot of maintenance. However it provides an excellent surface finish. I believe it could be a successful service. 

Lou N

My elderly friend Ed (now deceased) did this sort of work in his train repair and restoration workshop. He had a compact bead blaster unit from Harbor Freight which was relatively inexpensive, but it takes a fairly big air compressor to run it, and some work space for the equipment.

Bead blasting is not difficult to do for a mechanical person who knows how to do other train repair work for themselves. I used his machine to clean up some old rusty track and train parts. You have to learn some technique of using just the right amount of blasting to clean off paint etc without eroding the metal too much. The technique is somewhat similar to using a high-pressure sprayer to wash a deck: you need to keep the spray pattern moving steadily across the work surface to avoid gouging the wood.

Bead blasting leaves the metal with a uniformly smooth finish and some "tooth" that helps paint adherence. Ed did all his painting with spray cans, with good results - at least as good as Lionel did 80-90 years ago.

Ed's bead blaster had heavy use and eventually needed some parts replaced. It tended to leak sand in his indoor workshop area so he moved it to a sheltered carport area outside and adjacent to the workshop.

Anyhow, my point is that anyone with some mechanical repair competence can do bead-blasting themselves with readily available equipment. It's not rocket science. It requires a large air compressor and some workshop space. If a person intends to do much restoration work on metal train parts, they may want to consider getting the equipment for themselves. It's satisfying work to be able to do all phases of restoration work, and convenient to have your own facilities.

 

Last edited by Ace

There is an investment involved to this and many do not want to take the plunge and you need space to store these things when not in use. To get started on a decent set up that doesn't require a lot of tinkering to keep it going you will spend $1000.00 to get started.

The Harbor Freight cabinets are not that great I had one as my first cabinet. They leak a lot and the lighting is poor. A decent cabinet is $400.00 you need at least a 30 gallon air compressor at a minimum and it is not big enough to keep up another $200.00 to $400.00 investment. You will also need some type of dust collection system whether it be a shop vac or the like. If you do not have a dust collection system and do this in your garage you will not be happy because dust gets everywhere plus you need a respirator. Not counting media and gun parts once you start.

Just remember if you buy cheap you get cheap and you will spend just as much time working on the cabinet and air compressor to use it. It much easier for most folks who have a few items to blast to send them off and much less hassle. 

Last edited by Mark Mcclung

Marty in answer to your question YES!   Half the battle of doing even a simple  restoration is stripping the paint which is the right way to do it.  I used some nasty industrial chemicals when I worked part time in a furniture refinishing shop in high school and I don't like working with any stripping chemicals now. I also can't use any of that around the house with Linda's conditions.   I would take on more tinplate projects with access to a bead blaster. 

I have the space and monster compressor.  I am very familiar what is needed.  I grew up in garages and hangers and know my way with tools.  I do not want to restore any persons trains.  My thought was the just do up what people send me apart.  A while back, I was doing this with the old Lionel M10000  (752) streamliners.  Most people want to do the paint work themselves.  I have always been a fan of old tinplate but can not stand it when I look at rusty relics.  I would rather have something in sad shape beaded and repainted with new shinny paint.  I do not care about value but do care about looks.  I like my trains clean and shinny.  I know others share that thought.  

I have done some research after starting this post.   I have recently purchased a decent amount of MTH tinplate.  I blame Chris Lonero for getting me hooked.  What could be better than a tinplate item with modern electronics.  I could care less about old rusty relics but do care about modern tinplate.  One good thing about the hobby is that not everyone is into the same thing.

Last edited by Marty Fitzhenry

MartyF,

   The reason I never set one up is not the money, I simply do not have the space to set one up, in my small work shop, wish like heck I did.  Let me know when you get set up, I have a couple Tin Plate 2600 Series Cars I want you to strip for me!  I know if I send them to you, they will always come back with the work done correctly. 

Chris is a good scape goat for acquiring a Tin Plate habit, in my case however it started in 1949, and some how I do not think Chris was even born yet, darn it any way.

PCRR/Dave

Last edited by Pine Creek Railroad

If you would have had a bead blasting service setup a few years ago I would have been a customer... Most all my projects are finished now, but knowing there is a source for bead blast work might get me back into restoring.

One of the benefits of bead blasting versus chemical stripping/rust removal is not having to worry about fully cleaning off the chemicals before priming. The bead dust washes off easier than the chemicals.

Good luck.

Having made my living at restoring trains for over 45 years now, I can tell you that bead-blasting is one of the greatest inventions for removing old paint from vintage trains.  Here at L & L we use a combination of methods for stripping paint, but it seems like we're bead -blasting something almost every day!

If anyone's interested, I've used this company for many years.  (See link below) Gone through three of their cabinets already, and only because of the high-volume of use we put 'em through.  They're very sturdy, well lit, and easy to use.  Keep in mind you'll need a high powered compressor otherwise it'll keep cycling out and you won't have the proper, constant air pressure to effectively 'blast' the paint of your trains. 

Good luck.

www.dee-blast.com

And yes, I'll offer discounts to anyone who sends me stuff to restore that's already been stripped!

Best Regards,

 

Len Carparelli

 L & L MTC Ltd

 

Nice idea.

I have found that I can pretty easily chemical strip the old stuff, but I had a real hard time with stripping an MTH car.  Bead blasting would definitely have been the way to go.  I think there are a number of us that are not just restoring, but creating some custom pieces.  It took me days to get the paint off that MTH car, and I ended up having to scrape paint out of the nooks and around the dimple rivets.  My Dremel wire brush didn't work either.  So, yes, I would send you a car if I was to do another.  

How would you handle the job?  I assume we would disassemble and send you the pieces to be stripped?

Also, Marty, I think you have a good 'brand', which would attract a lot of business.  The question is how busy do you want to be, and how big is the market?

George

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