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Since I have lost several fellow club members lately I was wondering what does everyone do to protect or record the knowledge that is potentially lost by the passing of those that have it. I can cite some examples for me as in trying to find out what the term "Overland Route" meant. I was first intrigued by the rear observation drumhead having the "Overland Route" graphic on a K-Line observation car from a Union Pacific consist that I collected to operate. I looked online and some various books. Only after purchasing and reading a book that was owned by a fellow club member that passed away did I realize the term "Overland Route" referred to the Union Pacific Railroad in general as was likely an advertising slogan. The book has likely been out of print for some time and it also showed an rare early photograph around 1947 of some Alco PA U.P. units pulling a consist of earlier gray heavyweights. While I know many different things happened on railroads happened just because it was nice to see some validation. How do we save and pass this knowledge down to someone like myself who has a lot to learn? Of course I ask so I can operate some miniature representations of real trains on a small miniature representation of a real railway.

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Originally Posted by Bob:

Try a Google search.  The term "railroad overland route" returns quite a history of the origin and usage of the Overland Route on the UP.  The internet is a wonderful thing with so much information instantly available.  Thank you Al Gore. 

 

The internet may be a wonderful thing, but it doesn't have all the answers.  Many times in an attempt to find an answer, I get sent scurrying to my books for the answer because the web doesn't have it.

 

Perhaps, I'm fortunate and began building my library as a teenager in the 1960's, long before there was an internet.  Initially, I bought books for railroads of specific interest to me, then later bought one for railroads I has only a passing interest.  By no means is my "library" complete, but it has helped in answering questions.

 

It seems nowadays that folks are willing to plop down a grand or more for a model locomotive, but shudder at the thought of plopping down 60-70 bucks for a railroad  book.

 

Rusty

Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Originally Posted by Bob:

Try a Google search.  The term "railroad overland route" returns quite a history of the origin and usage of the Overland Route on the UP.  The internet is a wonderful thing with so much information instantly available.  Thank you Al Gore. 

 

The internet may be a wonderful thing, but it doesn't have all the answers.  Many times in an attempt to find an answer, I get sent scurrying to my books for the answer because the web doesn't have it.

 

Perhaps, I'm fortunate and began building my library as a teenager in the 1960's, long before there was an internet.  Initially, I bought books for railroads of specific interest to me, then later bought one for railroads I has only a passing interest.  By no means is my "library" complete, but it has helped in answering questions.

 

It seems nowadays that folks are willing to plop down a grand or more for a model locomotive, but shudder at the thought of plopping down 60-70 bucks for a railroad  book.

 

Rusty

Try Google Books and Archive.org. They have THOUSANDS of FREE ebooks available. I personally have several hundred of these books. Of course I had to spend $150 on a 2TB hard drive to hold all those .pdfs but I have darned near the entire body of trade magazines ever published for the Electric Railway industry between 1884 and 1932. for instance, there are several Locomotive Cyclopedias online

 

google books:

 http://books.google.com/advanced_book_search

 

archive.org

http://archive.org/index.php

 

 

1922 "Cyc.':

http://books.google.com/books?id=oMY1AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=locomotive+cyclopedia&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2XSXUb-3E-bq0AHH0IDwDA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=locomotive%20cyclopedia&f=false

 

 

"Wikis" can be good and bad...remember that they're written by anyone, and can be wrong ocasionally....some of the star trek stuff is wrong....  ....seriously though, old books are the best bet, but they're hard to find. I can remember alot of books when I was a kid, that our local library had, that I just can't find anymore. "Out of print" means out of luck or out of pocket..$$$.

Originally Posted by Burlington Route:

"Wikis" can be good and bad...remember that they're written by anyone, and can be wrong ocasionally....some of the star trek stuff is wrong....  ....seriously though, old books are the best bet, but they're hard to find. I can remember alot of books when I was a kid, that our local library had, that I just can't find anymore. "Out of print" means out of luck or out of pocket..$$$.

I agree about finding the books that are out of print. They are like a time machine and so far the best for hard to find information. Thanks for all of the replies so far!

The Overland Route isn't simply a generic Union Pacific term.  It refers to a specific line from Chicago to San Francisco.  Remember the UP had a route to Los Angeles, too.  That was not the Overland.  From Chicago to Omaha, the Overland Route was C&NW.  From Omaha to Ogden, it was UP and from Ogden to San Francisco, the Southern Pacific.  

 

Many of these lines took their names from the wagon trails, because they were the safer routes to reach the West.  The Santa Fe trail, Chisholm , Oregon and California trail existed for a long time before the railroads took hold. 

 

Southern Pacific was known for their four main lines.  The Overland Route, the Shasta Route, the Golden State Route and the Sunset.  All of these routes had trains named after them.

 

I understand what you mean by lost knowledge and human reference points.  But the information is out there.  Just keep plugging away.  You might then become the human reference.

 

Originally Posted by Captaincog:

.... How do we save and pass this knowledge down to someone like myself who has a lot to learn? ....

i hate to state the obvious, but what about railroad forums... like this one?

 

i notice that without looking, your question actually got answered amidst all this noise about where to search for information.

 

i do agree that books are an all important adjunct to internet searches.  i doubt if i would be able to locate online the sort of information available in the few American Flyer, Hafner, Bing, etc. books i trust.  other material like the TCA Quarterly add some valuable information on many obscure topics.  just the sort of things you are talking about, luckily documented perhaps before being lost.

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