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I'm not a racing fan, but that is a very sharp looking commemorative boxcar!
I hope those who are racing fans enjoy it!
-Dave
Anybody care to take a guess at the MSRP? If it is more than $24.95 count me out. Yer' gonna have to but a lot graphics on the roof to lure this guy in.
SantaFeJim posted:Anybody care to take a guess at the MSRP? If it is more than @$24.95 count me out. Yer' gonna have to but a lot graphics on the roof to lure this guy in.
$43.00??
SantaFeJim posted:Anybody care to take a guess at the MSRP? If it is more than @$24.95 count me out. Yer' gonna have to but a lot graphics on the roof to lure this guy in.
There are Richard Petty graphics all over the car, including the roof. The MSRP is likely $84.95 .... which usually translates to $62 at Lionel's major dealers. If your limit is $24.95, you aren't likely to get a set of plastic telephone poles in 2017. 
SantaFeJim posted:Anybody care to take a guess at the MSRP? If it is more than @$24.95 count me out. Yer' gonna have to but a lot graphics on the roof to lure this guy in.
Well, I'm pretty sure you know it's not 24.95. You can't buy a Hudson for the sticker price of 30 years ago either.
On a more serious guess, I'd bet it's maybe 84.99 MSRP like many of the other recent (also in the realm of licensing fees) "Assembled in USA" similar offerings, street price closer to $60. (Disney, Harry Potter, Caddyshack were all that MSRP).
{edit: typing while Ron was, so maybe the MSRP was in the vid (though I guessed real close! 
). I skimmed (fast forwarded a lot) the visual, but didn't listen to the audio}
-Dave
MSRP seems to be Lionel's usual $84.95 for a tradition-sized 6464-style boxcar. OK... can everybody here say "OVERPRICED"... all together now? 
David
It was interesting - Dave said that the company that makes these cars for Lionel in the US is located in Northern Virginia. I thought Lionel made them in Concord, NC. Is it only LionScale rolling stock that they make at Lionel Headquarters?
I don't buy these fantasy cars....but they did a nice job. I had a company that did a lot of NASCAR items during the boom years.....what they did takes some work. NICE!
Rocky Mountaineer posted:MSRP seems to be Lionel's usual $84.95 for a tradition-sized 6464-style boxcar. OK... can everybody here say "OVERPRICED"... all together now?
David
IMO, no, since street price is closer to $60.
For an item that is highly probably will arrive in one piece with little or no defects in the graphics, assembly, etc. I consider that fair. I wouldn't pay $85 at this moment in time, but $60-ish is OK with me right now.
I don't think I've received any cars made in USA with the process Lionel is using for deco on these stateside cars with defects that I considered unacceptable.
Higher ticket items, where my chances seem not as good statistically, those I consider overpriced. I consider something like this a low risk, high chance of satisfaction purchase.
-Dave
Dave45681 posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:MSRP seems to be Lionel's usual $84.95 for a tradition-sized 6464-style boxcar. OK... can everybody here say "OVERPRICED"... all together now?
David
IMO, no, since street price is closer to $60.
For an item that is highly probably will arrive in one piece with little or no defects in the graphics, assembly, etc. I consider that fair. I wouldn't pay $85 at this moment in time, but $60-ish is OK with me right now.
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Then you obviously haven't been watching Menards, where their boxcars with cool graphics can be had for roughly $25/each!
David
Nice-looking car, but not for me. I don't buy commemorative cars anymore as I can barely give them away if I don't want them anymore.
Rocky Mountaineer posted:Then you obviously haven't been watching Menards, where their boxcars with cool graphics can be had for roughly $25/each!
David
Pretty sure the Menards cars are full imports, yes?
Not a 100% valid comparison. And as discussed in other threads, Menards is a private business where the owner may be doing his thing with less regard to profit on the experimental train line. I wish them well, but Lionel doesn't have lawnmowers and washing machine profits to funnel towards train pricing. Trains is it.
-Dave
But will it sell better than the other Nascar cars/sets?
BlueComet400 posted:Nice-looking car, but not for me. I don't buy commemorative cars anymore as I can barely give them away if I don't want them anymore.
Precisely... folks will gladly buy them from a dealer today for $60.95. Yet buyers here on the forum won't pay a penny over $20 or $25 bucks for them MINT (or LN-displayed-only) a year or so later. Go figure. 
Nothing like the allure of helping Lionel print money I guess. 
David
Dave45681 posted:...Not a 100% valid comparison. And as discussed in other threads, Menards is a private business where the owner may be doing his thing with less regard to profit on the experimental train line. I wish them well, but Lionel doesn't have lawnmowers and washing machine profits to funnel towards train pricing. Trains is it.
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And who's problem is that? It's not our jobs as consumers to help Lionel fund a bloated business model. It's Lionel's job to give us a compelling reason to buy their products.
David
Rocky Mountaineer posted:Then you obviously haven't been watching Menards, where their boxcars with cool graphics can be had for roughly $25/each!
David
Comparing these ornately decorated USA-made Lionel cars to Menard's loss-leader $20-25 rolling stock pieces is like comparing oranges to watermelons.
PGentieu posted:It was interesting - Dave said the company that makes these cars for Lionel is in Northern Virginia. I thought Lionel made them in Concord, NC. Is it only LionScale rolling stock that they make at Lionel Headquarters?
Right... only the former Weaver, now "LionScale" stuff is made in Concord BY Lionel. The other highly- decorated Lionel cars of the last several years have come from their Virginia subcontractor.
RadioRon posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:Then you obviously haven't been watching Menards, where their boxcars with cool graphics can be had for roughly $25/each!
David
Comparing these ornately decorated USA-made Lionel cars to Menard's loss-leader $20-25 rolling stock pieces is like comparing oranges to watermelons.
Hmmm... I'm all for USA-made products, but I never viewed the Menards boxcars with cool military WWII nose-art graphics (for example) as loss-leaders per se. If you're willing to pay Lionel's prices, that's all well and good. But at the very worst, I'm comparing Macintosh apples to Granny Smith apples with respect to features.
David
I love The King, and I would be interested in a Petty car but 80th Birthday is kind of pedestrian, like the 115th Lionel anniversary. I would rather see a Petty car celebrating his career with total wins and championships than a Bday car.
I will pass on this one. But, I hope this is the beginning of a new NASCAR series of cars celebrating Hall of Fame drivers. Then, I would be a buyer.
Craignor posted:I love The King, and I would be interested in a Petty car but 80th Birthday is kind of pedestrian, like the 125th Lionel anniversary. I would rather see a Petty car celebrating his career with total wins and championships than a Bday car.
I will pass on this one. But, I hope this is the beginning of a new NASCAR series of cars celebrating Hall of Fame drivers. Then, I would be a buyer.
If you meant the 115th, I certainly agree! (125 is a much nicer round number, but still maybe questionable)
I wonder what we will see for the 120th? 
I am guilty of playing this game somewhat, as I did go for the Gold Plated Gateman, so I guess I am a bit of a hypocrite (I think that was 75th anniversary).
-Dave
we will see for lionel's 120th a futuristic locomotive with battery power domanance POV camera and a MR FUSION generator - i really hope
i pray that lionel makes it to the future and i wonder if a new futuristic logo slogan and packaging is in store for lionel as well as new tooling
i like to have visions of a happy and hi tech future for my life, layout and lionel
I know it's off-topic, but if you keep up with the video I really like the Danica Patrick Wonder Woman 1:24 car that is featured next...
RadioRon posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:Then you obviously haven't been watching Menards, where their boxcars with cool graphics can be had for roughly $25/each!
David
Comparing these ornately decorated USA-made Lionel cars to Menard's loss-leader $20-25 rolling stock pieces is like comparing oranges to watermelons.
I don't think so - Menard's - all things considered - is providing more value at a lower cost and - from four feet away - who can tell thew difference.
I anticipate there may be operating issues with these cars as they can only make left hand turns.
Precisely... folks will gladly buy them from a dealer today for $60.95. Yet buyers here on the forum won't pay a penny over $20 or $25 bucks for them MINT (or LN-displayed-only) a year or so later. Go figure.
I wouldn't recommend that anybody buy toy trains as an investment, or even with any expectation of being able to resell them at a price anywhere near what they cost (street price). Those days are over.
Buy it because you like it, and consider the money gone. That is what I do.
Why won't people pay more for recent stuff on the secondary market?
Because most of the people who really wanted the item already purchased it new.
SURFLINER posted:I don't think so - Menard's - all things considered - is providing more value at a lower cost and - from four feet away - who can tell thew difference.
Menard's offers no products such as this, so there is no comparison. On general rolling stock pieces, I'll agree with your four-feet-away analogy. But that standard can't apply when you are comparing Menards rolling stock to a highly-decorated Lionel piece for which Menards offers no directly-competing product.
Hey, everybody.. the point of the thread is to say: Hey, IF you are interested, take a look at Lionel's new Richard Petty tribute boxcar.... nothing more. No intent to ignite a lopsided pricing comparison between unrelated products.
RadioRon posted:...................Hey, everybody.. the point of the thread is to say: Hey, IF you are interested, take a look at Lionel's new Richard Petty tribute boxcar.... nothing more. No intent to ignite a lopsided pricing comparison between unrelated products.
Well stated. Every topic in this realm of the hobby recently seems to bring out all the "I'll only buy it if it's less than $1", or "more money than sense" comments, or as you say comparing it to something totally different.
One of the other threads about these types of cars (I think it may have been the Disney/Potter/Caddyshack thread) someone posted pics of scale type cars they thought Lionel should make. That was nice, but that wasn't what the thread was about.
Some people just can't let others enjoy something that may not be their cup of tea.
-Dave
Cars from Menards are very nice cars, I have quite a few and will buy more. But the prices of cars from Lionel like the petty car with a MSRP of $85 and a street price of around $62 is beyond what I am willing to pay or can afford.
If you like the Lionel car and can afford to buy them by all means buy them. I'm just glad Menards is out there building cars I can afford and run.
Does it only turn left?
