Taming the Williams Hudson

With a Pittman & some ballast weight, pull what you want, for hours on end, ….this 18056 Hudson runs conventional, 5-6 hours straight every weekend, ……it’s not even breaking a sweat ……😁

Pat

I know, It's a win win... I have the perfect candidate, that flooded 18045 lol...

@Dennis Holler posted:

I know, It's a win win... I have the perfect candidate, that flooded 18045 lol...

Wow,……🥺

Pat

Here you go Coach. Classic 785 on 031 curves.. 

She does it, but she looks angry even doing it light Donnie! 🤣🤣🤣

Pat

I may have posted this on another thread but if not this is the result of the new gearbox and Pittman motor in the Williams 773 prior to detailing.

After detailing.

Pete

Legacy Schmegacy

@harmonyards posted:

She does it, but she looks angry even doing it light Donnie! 🤣🤣🤣

Pat

Told ya she's angry on 031. 😂.

Donnie, you and Apples55 were the ones that that told me she would run on a smaller layout and reignited the desire for one.  What size is your layout with 4 loops of track?

It's a 5x9 pool table with Menards o gauge. My apologies for the misinformation. It will run on 031,but wanted to show you what it would look like. It is the smallest loop on the layout. Not sure if a longer loop of 031 will look better? That's why I wanted to double check it before you invested in a 785. I run 054 on the outside loop. Are you on a 4x8? Can you run 042?

For the foreseeable future 4x8 is the limit.  I've got 0-27 track and switches with enough 42" curves for an outer loop.  I may see if I can track down some more on ebay and try an inner loop with compound curves of 42 and 27 inch radii.

Norton, she looks and runs great after your upgrades.  Such upgrades are beyond my capabilities.  While I do not require such slow speeds  I don't need an engine that takes off at incredibly high speeds.  It would've have been nice to see before and after videos of it on the tracks.

@coach joe posted:

Norton, she looks and runs great after your upgrades.  Such upgrades are beyond my capabilities.  While I do not require such slow speeds  I don't need an engine that takes off at incredibly high speeds.  It would've have been nice to see before and after videos of it on the tracks.

This is before but powered by a Cruise Commander at speed step 1. In conventional it would be difficult to have run this slow and steady so Cruise helps. What may be harder to distinguish is how much smoother it runs with the Pittman.

This after the motor and gearbox swap.

Pete

Thanks Pete and all who have replied to my query. It’s all a mute point now, I returned to the train show today, one of the vendors dropped the price on the 785 to $350, I offered $300 and he took it. She needs a little cleaning.

I now have my eye on a Lionel GW-180. I started another thread asking if there’s any issues with it

Hey Coach, that’s excellent!! Any challenges with it let us know! We can help out.

Yep, agree with Dennis, ….clean the gear box out straight away Coach, unless it’s been done already,….

Pat.

Thanks guys.  Does any body have the instructions that came with it?

@Norton posted:

I may have posted this on another thread but if not this is the result of the new gearbox and Pittman motor in the Williams 773 prior to detailing.

After detailing.

Pete

Legacy Schmegacy

The detailing looks so nice. Brings to mind that I have yet to address the abbreviated valve gear issue on my detailed Williams J1 (and my "old" Lionel L-3 Mohawk), but I did on my streamlined (with ancient Wms brass add-on pieces and parts)  5344 J1e former "ATSF" Warhorse. Not sure if I have more parts. Wonder if Lionel does? Must check. It does look so much better, though.

And, yes - Legacy Schmegacy. Sounds like a cap or T-shirt to me.

This thing is an old ****-for-leather TMCC Pullmor. Bit of a beast.

@coach joe posted:

Thanks guys.  Does any body have the instructions that came with it?

I emailed you the 785 instructions. Should be similar minus yours has solid wheels with magnatraction. I agree, clean out the gear box and apply fresh grease! Hopefully the smoke unit is ok. I've replaced the element and put wading in the smoke bowl. For some reason LTI era didn't believe in putting wading in their smoke units. With some megasteam she smokes good enough for me!

@D500 posted:

The detailing looks so nice. Brings to mind that I have yet to address the abbreviated valve gear issue on my detailed Williams J1 (and my "old" Lionel L-3 Mohawk), but I did on my streamlined (with ancient Wms brass add-on pieces and parts)  5344 J1e former "ATSF" Warhorse. Not sure if I have more parts. Wonder if Lionel does? Must check. It does look so much better, though.

And, yes - Legacy Schmegacy. Sounds like a cap or T-shirt to me.

This thing is an old ****-for-leather TMCC Pullmor. Bit of a beast.

I followed suit D, ….I used a 28084 TMCC shell set  I picked up at York for mere pennies, and sat that down on a CV Pulmor chassis, ……naturally, I ditched the Pulmor for a Pittman, then borrowed Pete’s rod stretcher program to make roller bearing rods fit the CV chassis, …..still a work in progress, …..I need all the valve train too, …..sadly, Lionel only has a piece here, or a piece there, …….plan is to make this into a Mercury engine ……

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

I followed suit D, ….I used a 28084 TMCC shell set  I picked up at York for mere pennies, and sat that down on a CV Pulmor chassis, ……naturally, I ditched the Pulmor for a Pittman, then borrowed Pete’s rod stretcher program to make roller bearing rods fit the CV chassis, …..still a work in progress, …..I need all the valve train too, …..sadly, Lionel only has a piece here, or a piece there, …….plan is to make this into a Mercury engine ……

Pat

That's what I did with mine - made it into 5344's Mercury incarnation. I even used the Wms brass tender - trucks and all - plus swapped Lionel RS/IR drawbar/e-coupler. Not too painful. That firebox shrouding was made up of the original J3 Wms one, plus heightening for the J1's running-board hump. Lots of soldering with brass and copper sheet. Saw a photo later with a very abbreviated version of the sheathing - I could have saved myself some work.

Looking forward to seeing your snazzy version.