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I have used tubular track for a couple of years on the "non-clockwork" layout, and I became dissatisfied with the various track trips performance whether it was the Marx insulated rail, the Lionel spring contactors, etc. Several years ago I had more scale like layout and used Realtrax and still had a couple of tubs of track. I relaid all the track with Realtrax, got one of those Lionel infrared controllers and an unexpected benefit came out of it that might have to do with the railhead profile. What was immediately obvious was that the pulling power of whatever equipment I have was increased. Yes, the curve radius of 31 versus 27 does make some difference but not that much, and so I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this? I am thinking there is more contact surface on the rail. When I looked at the tubular profile, there was actually much less contact surface due to it's somewhat spherical shape. I had never considered any of this.

I also noticed less wheel slip when starting a heavier consist. For what it's worth. Also the power distribution seems smoother with less power feeds required. 

 

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I used it as well but I had never thought about real world track dynamics when it came to tinplate  I guess I am learning as I go along. Thanks for the thumbs up, those trains are now faster so I have to throttle back. Someone had asked me for an updated video of the layout with the Realtrax, and I thought what the heck, I'd post it here as well. The MTH track has a reputation for having finicky connections, but I found that tubular track needs clean pins, tight compression at the joints, etc. All of my track was used so it was a chore cleaning up and the MTH just needs a certain method to connect pieces, and I had long sections so it cut down on the connections. I wonder if Gargraves has a flat railhead profile?  

Bruce,

 

Enjoyed the video, great layout!

Gargraves definitely has a more square profile than regular tinplate track. I use Gargraves on my Hi-rail layout and my friend Murray who is a live steam operator, modifies the gauge of Gargraves to run his smaller steamers which often have shallower flanges and won't tolerate tinplate track. My Weeden Dart will not run on the rounded rail profile of tinplate track. When laying my track for electric use, I use conductive grease on all the rail joints and I find that it improves the conductivity.

 

Eric Hofberg

TCA, LCCA

Assuming that the nominal coefficient of friction may be the same for either rail profile, the greater contact surface for a T-rail (I profile) permits one to take greater advantage of microscopic surface roughness (i.e., tribology), which is the source of the frictional force. Differences in the rail materials could also be a factor, however. And, the dynamic coefficient of friction is always markedly lower than static coefficient for two given contact surfaces.

 

Generally, I have always preferred traditional tubular rail, however, for its vintage prewar tinplate aesthetics.

 

T-top rail was used by Gilbert AF as a postwar selling point for their 2-rail track system over you-know-who's.

 

Enjoyed the video, Bruce. Have fun.

 

Bob

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Bruce,
 
The static coefficient of friction for steel-steel is 0.8 and brass-steel is 0.35 (nominally), which favors steel-steel traction - all other things being equal. So, the rail profile is of truly significant consequence.
 
Bob
 
 
Originally Posted by electroliner:

Thanks guys for the feedback, I suspected I was onto something.

 

Bob,

The Realtrax is solid brass ( the older stuff). Would that make a difference?

 

 

Bruce

 

Tim

You are not the only one with "disposal regret". There are many train hobby related things I had not kept, thinking any use or interest was long gone, only to have either one resurface and then find myself asking "what was I thinking?" That could be an entire thread in of itself.  My AF prewar reacted the same way in addition to the Marx, which it figures, I just stumbled into the discovery.

Bruce

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