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While I have read: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...multiple-powermastes I have a similar question for all you experienced TMCC guys.

Being new to TMCC I have some questions. (TMCC Only - No Legacy …… well not yet anyway. Maybe a “bridge” will come later if I decide to move beyond TMCC, but quite honestly right now it doesn’t seem necessary to me.) I have a PM1 6-12867 that I just got as a Christmas present. I already had a TMCC 6-12969 Cab-1 / Command Base set that I bought years ago but never used. I never even took it out of the box! (it’s a long story).

This year was the first time in many years that I was able to set up a small track around the Christmas tree, so using my ZW as a power source I ran it to the Power Master and was able to successfully run my train in “Conventional Mode”, raising and lowering track voltage with the Cab-1, and successfully using the other buttons like whistle, bell and direction controls. At first, the PM did not seem to respond to the Cab-1, but I figured out that it was programmed as track number 3, so once I reprogrammed it to track 1, everything worked fine (the big clue was a large white vinyl number 3 that the previous owner of the PM had placed on the connection end of the unit). My current hookup is like this:

TMCC-ZW-PM01

So, now that I was able to realize the beauty of Digital Train Control, even though for the time being I have no TMCC equipped locomotives and can only run in “Conventional” mode, I started looking deeper into TMCC and all its capabilities. I found the 6-14181 ARC (Action Recorder Controller) and it piqued my interest. The thought of running two trains on my planned elevated layout with TMCC and the ARC is very enticing and interesting. (In the near future, I may take a shot at using JMRI and some Arduinos to run my trains, thereby helping to greatly defray the costs upgrading my locos to TMCC, but I want to fully understand what I’m doing, before moving forward in that direction.)

First, here’s my track plan, and then my questions will follow:

Now that I’m in my new “Forever” home in sunny Florida, my plan is to build an elevated dual loop track that runs the length of the far outside wall of my enclosed Lanai (a 27’ run), and then take an 11.5’ run along the side walls over to the inside wall, then up and down helixes at each end (about a 2’ rise/fall in elevation), to allow raising the length of track that will go through and along the inside wall. This will allow the beauty of running model trains to be enjoyed by all, even those in the “Great Room” of the house.  Running two trains in this manner should be plenty interesting, and I’m even planning on adding a Lionel Crane to drop small treats from a Candy factory, to the future Grand kids!

Questions:

  • My understanding is that the 6-14181 ARC (Action Recorder Controller) will record actions when running in either/both “Conventional” and “Command” modes, correct? I called Loinel, and after an extended Hold time, I was told YES. I did this prior to purchasing the ARC, which I am now waiting for delivery of because it is currently stuck in USPS holiday ignore mode :>(.
  • How do I implement the ARC?
    1. As shown in the pic below from the ARC manual, it shows adding the Command Base.
    2. It does not show how the track receives power, which currently comes from my ZW through a PowerMaster.
    3. I understand CAN BUS communications in automotive applications, but those systems are all hard wired and do not use wireless com signals, so my assumption would be that teeing controllers into the “U” loop is what I need to do with the Command Base, the PowerMaster and the ARC. I do not however think this is correct, but instead I am thinking that my current ZW/PM setup should remain intact, and the ARC/Command Base does not need any hard wiring to the PM, as wireless communication from the Cab-1 is all it takes to make it work. Supporting my wireless theory, the ARC manual shows this illustration for the ARC/CB wiring, but it does not mention/show how to add a PowerMaster. Furthermore, it states:

TMCC-ZW-PM02

So, Can the Cab-1 simultaneously communicate with both the CB and the PM? If so, is the priority handled in the messaging?

TMCC-ZW-PM03

TMCC-ZW-PM04

This shows that obviously because the ARC and ASCs are not wireless devices, they must be hard-wired for communications between them to occur.

So, can both the PM and the Command Base co-exist, and work properly via wireless com with the Cab-1 to control trains in Conv mode, while at the same time allowing the ARC to record and play back?

Thanks,

GT

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OK, to start, you have a ZW transformer with four outputs.  Use the two lever outputs to deliver power to your two tracks and the other two outputs for accessory power including the 16-18 volts the ARC needs.

The PowerMaster varies power voltage to one track based on the TMCC commands transmitted by the Command Base.  You need the Command Base (or Legacy base) to control all of this and the PowerMaster is controlled as a train (#3 as you discovered) or locomotive address.  The PowerMaster allows you to run conventional locomotives with your Cab1 instead of the levers on the ZW.

In operation, the Cab1 transmits TMCC commands to the Command Base.  The Command Base transmits an RF signal to the trains (PM) and locomotives, and simultaneously sends three-byte packets out it's serial port (9.6 Kb, 8,n.1).  All devices listening to either the RF signal or the serial output get the commands.  There is no prioritization.  There is no collision detection on the serial connection to the Command Base.  Multiple devices simultaneously transmitting to the base could be a problem.

The ARC, when placed into Record mode, listens for TMCC commands sent via the DB-9 serial connection of the Command Base.  You use your Cab1 to generate the commands.  Once you complete a recording, you can trigger the ARC to playback and it will transmit data via the serial connection to the Command Base.  The Command Base then transmits the TMCC RF commands to engines, trains, accessories, and switch controllers.

The ARC, ASC, and their sibling  modules need power to run their electronics and relays and each module has terminals to input power that your ZW can provide.  You can daisy chain the power connections.

ARC communications are serial data to/from the Command Base using three wires, Tx, Rx and ground.  If you have additional devices, the ARC has 2-wire serial connections to downstream listen-only devices using two wires (Rx and ground).  Multiple devices can be daisy-chained on the two-wire serial communications.  There is no wireless communication between the modules and Command Bus.  However, if, by "wireless", you mean controlling the system via the Cab1, then that works.

The ARC has inputs so you can add triggers, such as an insulated rail, to start playback.

If you want to use modern wireless devices (i.e. iPad) other than the Cab1, then look into Lionel's LCS system and Legacy Base.

Your layout plans with long runs will demand power be delivered to the remote ends.  Plan on using 12g or 14g power feed wires with taps to the track every few feet.  The TMCC signal broadcast from the Command Base should have no problem covering your layout size but bear in mind that the RF signal has two components - one through the track via the wire from the base to the outside rails, and one through you home's wiring.  If your Lanai does not have electrical outlets on the far side, you may have a weak TMCC signal.  Search this forum for discussions on the TMCC ground plane - the solution may be as simple as running a wire connected to pin 5 of the Command Base DB-9 connection, or the ground pin of an electrical outlet, around the layout.  Your helix will probably need a TMCC ground plane wire installed to ensure good signal in the helix.

If you envision switches placed at remote parts of the track, Lionel's recent Fastrack switches are wireless Command Control.  Saves a lot of tedious wiring.

Tracker John,

Thanks VERY much for your very thorough response. Now I "savvy" much better! LOL! I also appreciate your advice on my planned layout. The Lanai does have outlets on the far wall, and the house wiring looks to be very well done. The home was built in '97, so code already dictated a better system by then. Funny you mention the ground plane info as I just found an article from Dale Manquen http://www.trainfacts.com/trainfacts/?p=317 on TMCC Signal Basics, which covers among other things, exactly that. I've only glanced over it quickly, and haven't had a chance yet to fully read and digest it, but it's on my urgent To Do list.

Once my ARC arrives I'm excited to test it out, even if the Christmas layout is already mothballed for next year, which is unfortunately planned for this weekend. I have one of the last test benches that Arduk sold before Gordon Pari stopped selling them, so I should be able to do my testing with it if necessary.

Thanks again, and I'll be posting update as things progress.

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