....... My imagination comes into play when I envision myself running a very realistic railroad albeit three rail. My father used to put me into the cabs of the real GG-1's in Penn Station so I love the idea my GG-1's are not toys even if they are. Confused logic to be certain. .....

Scrappy 

Scrappy ......  What did Dad do on the railroad?

Matt

 

cjack posted:

A friend of mine says "If you ain't got a GG1, you ain't nobody!".

 Oh dear, I guess that puts me in that category. However, I do have lots of friends in low places!

Some of these things may be kind of 'hokey', but I still kinda like most of the little added features like that. I think it's good that the manufacturers add these things and I certainly wouldn't want to see them stop adding them.

Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them.  But I do have a question.

What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter?  Window washing fluid?  

SantaFeJim posted:

Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them.  But I do have a question.

What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter?  Window washing fluid?  

Steam generator was diesel.

TrainingDave posted:
SantaFeJim posted:

Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them.  But I do have a question.

What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter?  Window washing fluid?  

Steam generator was diesel.

Thank You,

Wait, the Vision Line GG1s will not run under catenary ?   Over a thousand dollars for a model train that is supposed to be as real as it gets and the very thing that this locomotive was meant for is a non-starter !

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I think we've been had.

Need some clarification:

Does the loco have the ability to run under unpowered catenary? with the pantographs (spring loaded I assume) maintaining contact with the underside of the wire?

 

 

graz posted:

Need some clarification:

Does the loco have the ability to run under unpowered catenary? with the pantographs (spring loaded I assume) maintaining contact with the underside of the wire?

 

 

Yes, the panto shoes are plastic. Whether the catenary is powered or unpowered shouldn't make a difference.

im just kidding some now but I never met an electric engine that had a smoke unit but 

am sure they have a steam generator that gives off steam hence the smoke effect!

I know we are all used to saying smoke unit. the video was okay am sure as time marches forward they will develop a style and feel more at ease.

viewing the video on an ipad the sound volume maxed out the voices were really weak am guessing either ipad issue or they did not use microphones attached to there shirt.

PJB posted:

It's certainly a nice rendition of the GG1, but I'm not into "gimmicky."  Moreover, I was further convinced because I don't have a catenary system and think this thing would look odd and out-of-place without one. Especially with the gimmicky sparking feature drawing extra attention to this particular disconnect between engine and layout.   

Peter

My thought exactly. Those flashing led lights are going to look kind of silly without a catenary system above them. As to the rest of the engine, I don't see it as much of a step-up from the scale GG-1s Lionel has already done. How much can you do with a GG-1?

The production looked a little like Abbott and Costello doing a Monty Python spoof. I've replayed the opening several times where they appear from behind the table and commence the show, just to study the goof factor.  

It could be titled "Lionel does 'And Now For Something Completely Different'," because it certainly was. From that perspective, it was something to behold.

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 MTH has automatic smoke production for both boiler start up ( a short puff ) and boiler release for about 5 seconds.   It has remained that way since at least the late PS2 days.  That's why a smoke unit going full throttle for 30 seconds seems a bit overdone to me.  That's my sour grapes story and I'm sticking to it!

Seriously, I need an example of Old Rivets.  Please Santa!  I've been good!

Bruce

You guys that are harping on the video production quality should give it a rest already. They were having some fun and hamming it up a bit! Considering that there was still a great deal of info delivered, I take my hat off to them. Everyone seems to think it's easy until the camera is pointed at them, then we see how fast they forget their only line!

The loco looks good. As far as the flashing spark - That is part of the corner that Lionel has painted themselves into with the Vision Line. The need to incorporate small "above and beyond" details that can still be achieved in a reasonable production cycle. Realistically, there's only so much that can be done. I'm assuming that we'll see an animated Engineer's arm waving sometime in the next year or so.

 

graz posted:

You guys that are harping on the video production quality should give it a rest already. They were having some fun and hamming it up a bit! Considering that there was still a great deal of info delivered, I take my hat off to them. Everyone seems to think it's easy until the camera is pointed at them, then we see how fast they forget their only line!

The loco looks good. As far as the flashing spark - That is part of the corner that Lionel has painted themselves into with the Vision Line. The need to incorporate small "above and beyond" details that can still be achieved in a reasonable production cycle. Realistically, there's only so much that can be done. I'm assuming that we'll see an animated Engineer's arm waving sometime in the next year or so.

 

That's precisely why they should have kept themselves out of the cameras eye.  A voice over would have been much more effective.  

We're going to beat this topic to death if it kills us.....LOL

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SantaFeJim posted:
TrainingDave posted:
SantaFeJim posted:

Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them.  But I do have a question.

What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter?  Window washing fluid?  

Steam generator was diesel.

Thank You,

Actually, I believe the GG1's that had Steam Generators, had Boilers to produce the steam not diesel. Sorry to be so anal about that. The original diesels used in Passenger service had Boilers for steam generation. Diesel HEP, came about in the late 1950's and took complete hold during he early Amtrak era.

A question for those of youwho have one.  If all one has is a Cab-1L, and Base-1L, can you:

1) Control the steam (smoke) cycle?

2) turn the arcing pantograph effect off?

3) Get the same quasi doppler dual tone effect on the horn?

Thanks in advance

GREENRAIL posted:
SantaFeJim posted:
TrainingDave posted:
SantaFeJim posted:

Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them.  But I do have a question.

What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter?  Window washing fluid?  

Steam generator was diesel.

Thank You,

Actually, I believe the GG1's that had Steam Generators, had Boilers to produce the steam not diesel. Sorry to be so anal about that. The original diesels used in Passenger service had Boilers for steam generation. Diesel HEP, came about in the late 1950's and took complete hold during he early Amtrak era.

Not exactly GREENRAIL. The "boilers", i.e. steam generators were indeed fueled/fired by diesel fuel. The GG1s had to have boiler water supply tanks PLUS diesel fuel tanks.

Ryan will do great things.  Please give him some breathing room.  I am heading over to Charlies in the morning.  I am looking forward to seeing the new engine.  I am a huge G fan.

It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.

cjack posted:

It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.

Trainworldtv video when Lionel visited.  Mike demos the bridge, clearance question comes up about 12:30.

Lionel visits trainworld

 

MrMoe50 posted:
cjack posted:

It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.

Trainworldtv video when Lionel visited.  Mike demos the bridge, clearance question comes up about 12:30.

Lionel visits trainworld

 

He says it's no different than any other bridge. I do have an MTH bridge that clears about 6 1/4. 

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

put a pantograph skid in front of your bridge.

That might be a interesting project. The middle cross trusses are a bit higher...maybe 6 1/4. So I would need maybe just one on each end.

cjack posted:
MrMoe50 posted:
cjack posted:

 

 

He says it's no different than any other bridge. I do have an MTH bridge that clears about 6 1/4. 

I was referring to Mike's answer during their clearance discussions, when asked "What about engines with pantographs?".  His response was "Let's not get carried away.".

GREENRAIL posted:
SantaFeJim posted:
TrainingDave posted:
SantaFeJim posted:

The original diesels used in Passenger service had Boilers for steam generation. Diesel HEP, came about in the late 1950's and took complete hold during he early Amtrak era.

Steam generators which also burned diesel fuel to heat the boilers.

Rusty

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John Sethian posted:

A question for those of youwho have one.  If all one has is a Cab-1L, and Base-1L, can you:

1) Control the steam (smoke) cycle?

2) turn the arcing pantograph effect off?

3) Get the same quasi doppler dual tone effect on the horn?

Thanks in advance

I tried these out last night. I have Legacy and a Cab1. I didn't try conventional though.

1. As long as it's programmed using the Aux1, 9 then it works.

2. No Aux3 button on the Cab1, but there's a switch on the engine to turn the arching effect off.

3. The sounds are great regardless of how it's run. I love the sound of the horn!

Hope that helped.

Rusty Traque posted:
GREENRAIL posted:
SantaFeJim posted:
TrainingDave posted:
SantaFeJim posted:

The original diesels used in Passenger service had Boilers for steam generation. Diesel HEP, came about in the late 1950's and took complete hold during he early Amtrak era.

Steam generators which also burned diesel fuel to heat the boilers.

Rusty

The way it originally came across it sounded like the Heating was provided by a diesel. Just because something burns diesel fuel, does not necessarily make it a diesel. That is a whole different animal. regardless, I think we can all agree the fuel used for heating is diesel, but the device itself is a boiler. either way, the G's were quite the propulsion device used by the Pennsy and Amtrak, NJT and Conrail. A Landmark Locomotive (i.e. Motor)!

OK I'll be the first to say it was a little cheesy.  But as others pointed out once in front of a camera folks get nervous and things don't go as planned.  That being said these guys are new to this.  Mike Reagan had a big personality that came across very well.  Given time Ryan and David will relax and it will go better I'm sure.  I would like to see the editing get a little better but that to will come.  I'm not sure other manufacturers are even doing videos anymore so anything is a plus here.

Good luck guys. 

I don't see anything wrong with the video.  They are a couple train geeks showing off a new engine.  Embrace the geekiness, or have someone video you while you are running your trains as you are explaining all the features and assorted things about them that you like so much.  Show the video to some non train friends.  Then report back.

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TrainingDave posted:
John Sethian posted:

A question for those of youwho have one.  If all one has is a Cab-1L, and Base-1L, can you:

1) Control the steam (smoke) cycle?

2) turn the arcing pantograph effect off?

3) Get the same quasi doppler dual tone effect on the horn?

Thanks in advance

I tried these out last night. I have Legacy and a Cab1. I didn't try conventional though.

1. As long as it's programmed using the Aux1, 9 then it works.

2. No Aux3 button on the Cab1, but there's a switch on the engine to turn the arching effect off.

3. The sounds are great regardless of how it's run. I love the sound of the horn!

Hope that helped.

THANK YOU!

cjack posted:

It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.

My GG 1 is on the way to me. Could someone give me the height from the railhead to the top of the pantograph ?

I measured the  bridge on my layout . From the top of the rail to edge of the bridge frame looks to be about 7  1/16  inches.

Will this clear the pantograph on the V Line GG 1? A picture of my measurement ls below.

Thanks,

Richard 

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Marty Fitzhenry posted:

put a pantograph skid in front of your bridge.

Better yet, install a catenary system.

Now that sounds like something we would tell  a newbie troop back in my Army days - 

"go get the light bulb repair kit, the frequency greaser, frequency bender, and sky hook for me." And now  a pantograph slide to go on front of the bridge???

l guess the guys with the real answer in the eastern time zone have called it a night and checked out of the forum for the evening.  

Richard 

 

Richard that should clear no problem. Just went down and checked. I measured like 5&3/4" from the top of tubular rail to the top of the pan. It's like 6&1/4 from tabletop to the top of the pan which is what it shows in the manual. The manual also shows 3" wide. Just finished today raising overhead tracks and stuff so I could run with the pan's up.

Richard Gonzales posted:
cjack posted:

It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.

My GG 1 is on the way to me. Could someone give me the height from the railhead to the top of the pantograph ?

I measured the  bridge on my layout . From the top of the rail to edge of the bridge frame looks to be about 7  1/16  inches.

Will this clear the pantograph on the V Line GG 1? A picture of my measurement ls below.

Thanks,

Richard 

 

 

I measured my GG1 which is on Gargrave track to be 6 inches. That would be scraping the pan. So at 7 1/6th you should have no problem.

-Pete

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Pete  and Gweedo

I appreciate your answers. It looks like they are not kidding when they say to read the instructions before you put this engine on the track.

My MTH cantilever signals are 5 inches between the  top of the rail and the bottom of the cantilevered arm  l will have to shim the cantilever signals up higher for sure.

 Thanks and Merry Christmas!!

Richard

Matt,

Sorry it took me so long to see your question. My father worked for the NYC Transit Authority and took me to Penn Station frequently to see the GG-1's. He would show the engineers his railroad pass and they would take me into the cab and let me sit in their seat. Even though I was a little boy, I still remember how cramped the interior was and that the engineer's window seemed quite small.

Scrappy

Richard Gonzales posted:

Now that sounds like something we would tell  a newbie troop back in my Army days - 

"go get the light bulb repair kit, the frequency greaser, frequency bender, and sky hook for me." And now  a pantograph slide to go on front of the bridge???

l guess the guys with the real answer in the eastern time zone have called it a night and checked out of the forum for the evening.  

Richard 

 

Are you an unbeliever or do you really think it just sounds funny?

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