Weekend tinplate photos 📸 and videos 📽 6/7/19!

Some O Gauge that wandered in the past week.

A a Bing 4 wheel stock car.

A Ives PRR boxcar that is a big upgrade from the one I’ve had.

Steve

GFN (Gebr Fleischmann Nürnberg) started in 1887 making tinplate toys and were famous for their tinplate ships. In 1948 they started to make an 0 gauge railway system. This was a 2-rail DC system with coarse scale wheels and locomotives and rolling stock with metal and tinplate bodies. In 1954 they stopped their 0 gauge production (after having started with H0 in 1953). Since their system is not compatible with modern 2-rail 0 gauge and not with older 3-rail systems it seems a bit forgotten. A few weeks ago I found this Fleischmann train:

And here it can be seen at the Distler Station I showed here last week:

Regards

Fred

Bing O gauge live steam passenger set ca. 1927

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

 

 

A Ives PRR boxcar that is a big upgrade from the one I’ve had.

Steve

very nice Steve...like to grab one myself.

Steamer posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

 

 

A Ives PRR boxcar that is a big upgrade from the one I’ve had.

Steve

very nice Steve...like to grab one myself.

Earlier in the week Cool Trains had something similar on the shelf, although I think it was marked as lionel instead of Ives.  The body style was alot like what you have shown here but I think it had slot and tab couplers.  Sorry I didn't grab any pictures.

Marx CV and new acquired wedge tender on passenger duty this morning on the Filing Cabinet Central. 

(tried a pano shot this morning, mixed results)

the more common version of this one piece Flyer Club Car (518) and Coach (519) set.  i have seen a set with the Coca-Cola script logo on the roof once, but it sold for way over my budget thought it could handle.

Greetings tinplate friends

As you know I've been intrigued by German painted tinplate from the 1920s and 1930s. I've posted

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Kibri photos in the past, and now I'm focusing on my latest Cabo acquisition --their large main station.  It is interesting to compare it with the large Kibri 52-3. Both feature painted tin and spot welding.  No lithography for Kibri or Cabo. By the way, Cabo means Carl Bochmann. Cabo like Kibri dated back to the late 1890s.  Both lasted a very long time, but are now gone. (Note I've edited the original text.  The beautiful Kibri station shown above is the 52-3 not 15-3  Lew).

Lew Schneider

Prewar Jefferson Midget transformer:

Jefferson Electric is still in business, but they don't make transformers for toys anymore.

PD

overlandflyer posted:

the more common version of this one piece Flyer Club Car (518) and Coach (519) set.  i have seen a set with the Coca-Cola script logo on the roof once, but it sold for way over my budget thought it could handle.

Ruby Lane has a set with the Coca Cola cars. 

Jim O'C posted:

overlandflyer posted:

....  i have seen a set with the Coca-Cola script logo on the roof once, but it sold for way over my budget thought it could handle.

Ruby Lane has a set with the Coca Cola cars.

 

lol... i'd rather spend a weekend in Hawaii... twice.

Been MIA quite a bit lately since spring/summer has kicked in.

Speaking of spring, I picked up this Marx clockwork loco a couple of weeks ago. Sorry, it's plastic and not tin, but the motor's good and I'm on the lookout for a tin shell to transplant it in.

This one has a bell in it, not sure if that's normal or special, or if the gray is anything special, but it's a windup, so I'm prepared to run trains in case the power grid goes down now. 

Jim O'C posted:

overlandflyer posted:

the more common version of this one piece Flyer Club Car (518) and Coach (519) set.  i have seen a set with the Coca-Cola script logo on the roof once, but it sold for way over my budget thought it could handle.

Ruby Lane has a set with the Coca Cola cars. 

I will just add that someone has reproduced the Coca Cola lettering for the tops of these cars, so BUYER BEWARE!

I will never, ever consider a set of these cars due to their severe overpricing and the fact that there are now fakes out there.  I was able to spot this on some overpriced offerings on ebay, where there was visible rust underneath the Coca Cola lettering.  

FRED: That Fleischman tinplate O gauge set is amazing, and I particularly like that steam loco. I never knew they made any O gauge, but I am familiar with their early HO production in the 1950's, which was promoted in the Polk's catalog. Polk's was a famous NYC multi-story hobby shop on 5th Avenue. The legendary Louis Hertz once worked there, and I met him on one occasion.

Some new ETS beer, water and champaign cars, all lithos are looking good.

Have a nice tinplate weekend,  Daniel

picked up this little station on bbay,was sold as an American flyer transformer station,no marking anywhere,,,,,tab/slot construction,,,but wow,,,so handsome,and almost like new ,,,,any clue whom made it ??

Freight for the afternoon

terry hudon posted:

picked up this little station on bbay,was sold as an American flyer transformer station,no marking anywhere,,,,,tab/slot construction,,,but wow,,,so handsome,and almost like new ,,,,any clue whom made it ??

That is either a Lionel station or a Lionel - Ives Transition station.  Stations like that were included in the low priced Winner Lines trains or similar.

terry hudon posted:

picked up this little station on bbay,was sold as an American flyer transformer station,no marking anywhere,,,,,tab/slot construction,,,but wow,,,so handsome,and almost like new ,,,,any clue whom made it ??

similar to, if not, a Winner Lines Power Station...

handyandy posted:

Been MIA quite a bit lately since spring/summer has kicked in.

Speaking of spring, I picked up this Marx clockwork loco a couple of weeks ago. Sorry, it's plastic and not tin, but the motor's good and I'm on the lookout for a tin shell to transplant it in.

This one has a bell in it, not sure if that's normal or special, or if the gray is anything special, but it's a windup, so I'm prepared to run trains in case the power grid goes down now. 

Andy send me an e mail.

overlandflyer posted:

terry hudon posted:

picked up this little station on bbay,was sold as an American flyer transformer station,no marking anywhere,,,,,tab/slot construction,,,but wow,,,so handsome,and almost like new ,,,,any clue whom made it ??

similar to, if not, a Winner Lines Power Station...

This is a 1012, but they also used this building for a 48W whistle station. They came with orange, green or red roofs. The Winner versions either said Lionel or Winnertown on the end walls. 48W had two posts and an on/off switch on the end opposite the cord.

Jim O'C posted:

overlandflyer posted:

similar to, if not, a Winner Lines Power Station...

This is a 1012, but they also used this building for a 48W whistle station. They came with orange, green or red roofs. The Winner versions either said Lionel or Winnertown on the end walls. 48W had two posts and an on/off switch on the end opposite the cord.

i have three Winner Lines sets, two in the original boxes and all of them have this Power Station/ transformer.  other than the ends marked STATION, there are no other marks or embossings on or underneath to indicate a model or manufacturer.  all three have the two wire fabric covered cord and two have the original two prong round plug.  internally there is, by all indications of the instructions, a center=tapped transformer.  i've never really tested any of them electrically.

Good time to show my whistle station! 

Tom 

Another General style set added to the roster. This one has a balloon stack which is different. Doesn’t smoke any better than my other Repro 6’s.

Steve

A couple of 3020s

This is the earliest, from early 1922.  It features the 8 spoke wheels without the steel tire/rim, early round track trip reverse rod, and extra hand rails over the sand domes.

Slightly later 3020, also from 1922.  Again this engine features the early round track trip reverse rod, but now the engine features the later 10-spoke wheels with the steel tire/rim.  This engine does not feature the extra hand rails over the sand domes.

Maroon 3020 c. 1925

Green 3020 c. 1924-1925

Unusual 3019 body on 3020 frame.  This came to me as a boxed item and appears to be late production, likely after they ran out of 3019 frames or just a factory error.

NWL

handyandy posted:

Been MIA quite a bit lately since spring/summer has kicked in.

 

 

Glad you're back Andy. I really enjoy seeing photos of your layout.

handyandy posted:

Been MIA quite a bit lately since spring/summer has kicked in.

Speaking of spring, I picked up this Marx clockwork loco a couple of weeks ago. Sorry, it's plastic and not tin, but the motor's good and I'm on the lookout for a tin shell to transplant it in.

This one has a bell in it, not sure if that's normal or special, or if the gray is anything special, but it's a windup, so I'm prepared to run trains in case the power grid goes down now. 

Andy, that would be a 401 from the very tail end of Marx production... 1975ish.  The riser gear motors in these locos came with bells.  

Just a few thoughts about swapping the motor into a tin shell: I believe that the 533 was the only metal shell locomotive that Marx originally produced with the riser gear motor.  If you find a 533 shell, the ones with a keyhole on the left side originally had a riser gear motor, and if the keyhole is on the right side it originally had a ratchet motor.  The motor may be swapped into other shells - like a CV or 833 - but it might take a bit of finessing to get the screw holes on the front crossmember to line up.  Also, the mainspring hub on a riser gear motor is in a slightly different place than the ratchet motor - it's moved forward about 1/16".  That can make it hard to get the key in and out at times because the bump on it will hit the edge of the keyhole in the body... I've drilled the keyholes bigger or elongated them with a file to help the situation out.

Beware - Marx windups are like potato chips... can't have just one!

terry hudon posted:

picked up this little station on bbay,was sold as an American flyer transformer station,no marking anywhere,,,,,tab/slot construction,,,but wow,,,so handsome,and almost like new ,,,,any clue whom made it ??

 I recently picked up and identical station. When I bought it I had no idea what it was, I was just attracted to the excellent lithography that had lasted almost 100 years. After some research, on page 129 of Greenberg’s Guide to Lionel trains 1901-1942 volume lI, I found that it was actually a 1012 Winner station B.   According to Greenberg it has no part number anywhere on the item. It contains a transformer with three terminals, supplying only fixed voltages.  There is no way to shut it off or on and no way to vary the voltage. The voltage across the two outer terminals is eight volts.  The voltage between the center terminal and the two outer terminals is 1.3 V and 6.7 V.

 Mine also has the original cord and the original plug. Turning my face and holding my breath I plugged it in and found that it works. My question is what was it used for. Did they run the Winner train on a fixed voltage at a constant speed? Was it used for accessories? If it was used to run the train, I guess you would plug it in and then unplug it to start and stop the train.

It was produced circa 1932. 

Jim Lawson 

orange is the new green of 1932...

O Gauge Jim posted:

terry hudon posted:

picked up this little station on bbay,was sold as an American flyer transformer station,no marking anywhere,,,,,tab/slot construction,,,but wow,,,so handsome,and almost like new ,,,,any clue whom made it ??

 I recently picked up and identical station. When I bought it I had no idea what it was, I was just attracted to the excellent lithography that had lasted almost 100 years. After some research, on page 129 of Greenberg’s Guide to Lionel trains 1901-1942 volume lI, I found that it was actually a 1012 Winner station B.   According to Greenberg it has no part number anywhere on the item. It contains a transformer with three terminals, supplying only fixed voltages.  There is no way to shut it off or on and no way to vary the voltage. The voltage across the two outer terminals is eight volts.  The voltage between the center terminal and the two outer terminals is 1.3 V and 6.7 V.

 Mine also has the original cord and the original plug. Turning my face and holding my breath I plugged it in and found that it works. My question is what was it used for. Did they run the Winner train on a fixed voltage at a constant speed? Was it used for accessories? If it was used to run the train, I guess you would plug it in and then unplug it to start and stop the train.

It was produced circa 1932. 

Jim Lawson

 Good afternoon overlandflyer, thanks so much for sending me a picture of the original instructions. It says more or less what I guessed. I’m going to make a copy of the instructions and leave them inside of the transformer station for future reference, possibly by my heirs as I am Approaching 85 years old. Thanks again and have a wonderful weekend.

Jim Lawson

you might want to pick up a period rheostat to make operation easier and a bit safer.  Marx made one that is reasonably available...

just wire it inline between the track and the highest transformer output (left post).

Hi, 

These two TCA 2018 Rhode Island convention cars came yesterday, very pleased, and my fleet of boxcars grows.

I also bought them to use as headend cars in my passenger sets.

Finally, they will serve as a great reminder of the fun my son and I had at that Convention.

scott.smith posted:

Scott,

Did they all fit in your car?

After our conversation last week, I bought a reproduction Ives catalog so I could get more educated.

George

very nice! where did you find that George?

one of my favorite power packs when i want to demonstrate something period.  never included in a set, but available as a separate sale item from 1924 - 1932, this Gilbert transformer provides all the power i need for a small O gauge prewar layout...

between the last transformer you bought and this one, i'd be willing to put money on the one i believe will still be working in ANOTHER 90 years...

get simple..!
cheers...gary

Steamer posted:

very nice! where did you find that George?

On eBay. I don't see this one available anymore, but there are still several other years available. Some have the later, more colorful covers.