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Originally Posted by Silver Lake:

 

I am am sure that the scale guys have more options in this realm. There have been various kits of Steeple cabs and parts. Q-car maybe.

Overland made the GE/Mliwaukee Road steeple cab switcher in 2-rail. If mine is typical, they were beautifully detailed but the assembly quality was the pits. One of the power trucks fell off of mine when I took it out of the box and a lot of the detail parts are also rattling around the box due to bad soldering. One of these days I'm going to fix it, paint it, and set it up for 3-rail operation by putting the pickups and electronics in a trailer boxcar. 

Bob:  That Overland steeple cab:  Was it a good replica of the Milwaukee's steeple cabs?  I know that they are quite a bit larger than the regular, off-the-shelf, GE "pups" like so many RR's had.  I wonder if they could be converted to 3rail operation fairly easily? 

 

Scale Rail has converted some early brass models of the Westinghouse-Baldwin 50 ton steeple cabs, to three rail by using tinplate power trucks under them.  I have one of these and i always intended to mount rollers under it for three rail operation.  The wheel flanges are a bit larger than NMRA scale and I think the engine would track OK on Gargraves and Ross switches, if I could build in a TMCC command control system.  Problem, of course, is that the Milwaukee never used any 50 ton W-B steeple cabs, and that they do look different than the GE variety, so this factor always kept me from getting too excited about taking on this conversion project.

 

At this point, I own three classes of Milwaukee electrics:  an MTH BiPolar, a Weaver Little Joe and an MTH four unit box-cab set.  Missing, of course, are the Westinghouse Baldwin massive passenger box-cabs and the lowly little GE steeple cab switchers.

 

Paul Fischer

The Overland steeple cab is a superb model, but marred by horrible soldering and assembly quality. It would be very difficult to convert to 3-rail without using a trailer, because it uses a typical 2-rail drive setup with a central motor and dual shafts running to the trucks. This doesn't leave a whole lot of interior space. Nonetheless, a friend of mine has actually converted one. As I recall, he used an ERR mini-board for TMCC. I don't know where he put the pickup rollers as I haven't seen a picture of the underside. He posted about it on the Forum a few months ago; I'll try to find the post and get you the link. One issue with the conversion would be the wheels; it uses very large spoked wheels so you are pretty much stuck with scale wheels. OK if you are using square profile track like Gargraves, or if you have a loop with no switches. You could also wire it to get power from an overhead catenary, if you have it. You would also most likely wind up using Kadee couplers or dummy 3-rail couplers; it would be a considerable chore to install operating 3-rail couplers. 
 
My friend has promised to send me some pictures of the conversion; I'll share if I get them.
 
Here are a couple of pictures of an Overland steeple cab switcher (not mine; the one in the photos is in better shape than mine). 
 Overland ES-2[2)
 
Overland ES-2[3)
Originally Posted by fisch330:

Bob:  That Overland steeple cab:  Was it a good replica of the Milwaukee's steeple cabs?  I know that they are quite a bit larger than the regular, off-the-shelf, GE "pups" like so many RR's had.  I wonder if they could be converted to 3rail operation fairly easily? 

 

Scale Rail has converted some early brass models of the Westinghouse-Baldwin 50 ton steeple cabs, to three rail by using tinplate power trucks under them.  I have one of these and i always intended to mount rollers under it for three rail operation.  The wheel flanges are a bit larger than NMRA scale and I think the engine would track OK on Gargraves and Ross switches, if I could build in a TMCC command control system.  Problem, of course, is that the Milwaukee never used any 50 ton W-B steeple cabs, and that they do look different than the GE variety, so this factor always kept me from getting too excited about taking on this conversion project.

 

At this point, I own three classes of Milwaukee electrics:  an MTH BiPolar, a Weaver Little Joe and an MTH four unit box-cab set.  Missing, of course, are the Westinghouse Baldwin massive passenger box-cabs and the lowly little GE steeple cab switchers.

 

Paul Fischer

 

 

 

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Don't yell, but the much-maligned PW Lionel "44 Tonner" and clones is actually a fair

starting point for a GE (and others) 60 - 80 tonner, at least so far as the body shell goes.

Lionel's original tooling is not inaccurate, but it was mis-named right from the start.

Why, I don't know, as had Lionel said "60 tonner" or some such they would have been pretty close, for their market.

 

I have also seen this loco converted to a fair representation of a generic center-cab electric.

 

Getting it to sit down on the trucks can be some work, I imagine. Only the WBB version

with a modern motor would really be worth it. Sometimes these things go for $75 new -

where's the risk?

Originally Posted by P&0 Rail Baron:

What I'd love to find is something like this:

 

This looks like it would weigh in at the 25-35 ton range.

That one is interesting; the car-body looks like it is wood-planked, and spoked wheels too. Those sideframes are locatable in O scale, and the drive is do-able with a center motor maybe. I don't know of anything manufactured that's close, except to hunt around in the brass world.

The WBB and MTH 44 tonners are diesel electric, not steeple cab electric locomotives.

Both are cool, but yes, there are none, except for ETS, little electric motors available. 

Someone at my LHS put MTH trolley power trucks under a resin body kit, and it looked wonderful. I feel there is a market for such things, and would love to see them made available.

RJR:  Yep, Been there, done that.  I was out at the Iowa Terminal a while back.  Let's see now;  I believe that it was in 1969 or 1970.  BUT, from your photos, it really doesn't look much different.  Same W-B steeple cabs, same ROW and overhead.  Really a neat place to visit. 

 

But they don't have any GE steeple cabs, to the best of my knowledge.  I think that the GE's were a bit older, at least of an older design, than the W-B's that these guys use.  I remember when the North Shore had about five or six of them (where the term: "pups" were first used) and they served until the end of service in 1963.  The Milwaukee Roads were used until the end of that operation in 1974.

 

Paul Fischer

I know it says GE.

I know it has an electric motor.

But isn't the "44 ton" post war a diesel?  

Anyone got a couple of spare scale 1930's ford grills

There really isn't too much out there that I know of. But here's a Nov kit-bash thread you might want to peak at if you bored

(this is red & black, a color shot is in the link)

 

 https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...e-let-seethem?page=1

ford125tswitcher

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:

I know it says GE.

I know it has an electric motor.

But isn't the "44 ton" post war a diesel?  

Anyone got a couple of spare scale 1930's ford grills

There really isn't too much out there that I know of. But here's a Nov kit-bash thread you might want to peak at if you bored

(this is red & black, a color shot is in the link)

 

 https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...e-let-seethem?page=1

ford125tswitcher

It is in WAG paint at Lake Shore Railway Museum in North East, Pa

Originally Posted by Brother_Love:
I am building this one to use on a Williams 44T chassis. I will have to mill the fuel tank off and scratch build the truck side frames.
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Yes, this is the route I decided to go also, except I will be using an old Lionel 44 tonner as the base chassis. I will probably just do a plasticard body shell and just leave the trucks as is.

 

-S

Just thinking about asking once again if some company would build a mass produced small electric. I have (like others) to build my own. My short mining line has two working and that's all it needs so I just sold my last of three extra brass shells. My little electrics run with K-line S-2 diesel power trucks and electronics. Don

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