what do you miss at York that used to be there?

I miss the excitement of my first time at York in 1983. I set up in the White hall and I will never forget the fellow running through the hall with a tape recorder. He was making notes of specific items in each isle. That made an impression on me that this was a serious train meet where people came buy. I think that fellow was forum member Peter (Putnam Division). I never asked him but I guess that is what I am doing right now.

I hope you all have a great time at York. there is nothing like it on earth.

Alan Graziano

TRAINPOP, Vince & Peggy, all the great customers, and the hundreds of great trains we unpacked every year

I miss all the hot babes.

Craignor posted:

I miss all the hot babes.

Lurking out in the dark parking lots later than the rest of us, are ya ?

Moonson posted:

Craignor posted:

I miss all the hot babes.

Lurking out in the dark parking lots later than the rest of us, are ya ?

More likely he is remembering something other than a train meet!

-Dave

He made a wrong turn at Jerome Avenue.

Roving Sign posted:

Anyone ever see any pictures of this...? Be interesting to see.

I suspect I'm one of the few here that have actually been to a few H.O.R.D.E. shows - although I don't think Neil Young & Crazy Horse was playing an of the ones I saw. I recall them being latecomers to the H.O.R.D.E. tours.

I do own a HORDE boxcar!

Unfortunately this was several years before I owned a digital camera, so I don't have any pictures. I forget if either of the 2 O gauge magazines might have had a story with a pic or 2 or not back then.

Probably someone might (I think since it was outside the halls, the older camera ban would not have applied - but I may be mistaken), but this was almost 10 years before everyone had a camera in their pocket as part of their smart-phone.

-Dave

Dave45681 posted:

Moonson posted:

Craignor posted:

I miss all the hot babes.

Lurking out in the dark parking lots later than the rest of us, are ya ?

More likely he is remembering something other than a train meet!

-Dave

Or maybe just wishful thinking. I'd have to caution him about leaving the fairgrounds at night, though, no matter the hoped-for adventure. And I'd have to agree with Arthur about not making that wrong turn at Jerome Ave.

The December 1997 (Run 156) edition of OGR had a five-page spread of the H.O.R.D.E. layout with several photos of the layout under construction and in operation.

Moonson posted:

Craignor posted:

I miss all the hot babes.

Lurking out in the dark parking lots later than the rest of us, are ya ?

Nope, just a dumb joke...seeing a hot babe at York is like seeing a Unicorn.

Craignor posted:

Moonson posted:

Craignor posted:

I miss all the hot babes.

Lurking out in the dark parking lots later than the rest of us, are ya ?

Nope, just a dumb joke...seeing a hot babe at York is like seeing a Unicorn.

Not dumb, Craig, just simple playfulness. We got that, which is why a couple of us decided to play along with you.

FrankM

Nope, just a dumb joke...seeing a hot babe at York is like seeing a Unicorn.

LOL, years ago one of the dealers in the Yellow hall had a tall, attractive lady working in their booth, dressed in a pair of hickory striped overalls. If I recall correctly, they were cut down into hot pants.
Anybody remember this?

One thing I miss: the shotgun start to the show.

Tony Lash

ME  

I will be there Virtually.   

BradF posted:

Tony Lash

Yes, I agree, because, speaking as a booth holder, the man sure wasn't shy to spend a buck-or-two (!) and always amiable.

Miss;

The fresh “open pit” roast beef sandwiches outside the purple hall.

The AOL dinner and car port parties with Neil Young

Setting up at the preshows but not the hassle of the big truck, tent and money it cost me.

Tony Lash, but got to see him this show!

My friends either gone or moved on, Pat Neil, Delair Gregg, everyone who was around us in thePurple Hall.

The funny announcements. 

Dont Miss;

Running for our tables ( circa 1973)

No cell phone rule

No picture rule

Bad weather in the parking lot shows

charlie, Nassau Hobby Center

Charlienassau posted:...

Dont Miss;

Running for our tables ( circa 1973)

 

Huh? I'd love to hear you tell us about that one. I can't imagine why such a thing would have been needed (!)

NOTHING.

Moonson, they only had one hall ( blue) back then and it was first come, first served: we ran for the tables and claimed them.

Charlienassau posted:

Moonson, they only had one hall ( blue) back then andit was first come, first served: we ran for the tables and claimed them.

Wow. That's some harsh......stuff.

What happened to a presenter who hadn't gotten to a table in time? Did he not off-load his wares and have to return home? That "system" sounds almost arbitrary and cold.

Hard to imagine any TCAers running.

we're talking 30 plus years ago - the same guys but much younger.  Crazy times. Dudes leaving their infant babies in car seats on saved table tops. 

youngstown posted:

Gil Finn

RIP

He never made it to York. I even offered to drive to Scott Depot, WV and pick him up and take him. By that time he was too sick to go.

Scott Smith

Here is my list of things I miss at York.

Loco Louies

Thursday at Fridays was a more social gathering since everyone tended to walk around.

Pat Trains (Yes he use to have a booth in Orange Hall)

MTH Repair Tent

Big Mo's train layout

K-Line (BTW they had the best train layout I have seen at York. It was in the room behind their booth and it was a complete city using superstreets..I wish we could have shot pictures and video in those days).

Scott Smith

Dunno what his official name was, but we called him 'Mr. Shakey'.....the lifesize figure in the conductor's uniform that stood at one corner of the Scenic Express booth.  The ol' geezer had the shakes and held a pan for 'tips'. 

I 'spect he lost his mojo somewhere along the line and was retired.  Or, maybe the fairground latrine attendants felt he was too competitive for the tips and had him....'dispatched'???

Poor guy.....they should have at least given him a stool to sit on for those long show hours.

Worse yet?......I'm starting to identify with the guy's attributes, too!  (NOT an offer to substitute, mind you!!!)

KD

All things change and York is no exception. Over the years many manufactures, vendors and people have come and gone. In recent times I've missed the good people that are no longer with us and K-Line, the larger displays of MTH Lionel, Atlas, the older antiques and the availability of more scratch built stuff.

ME

Nice that Arthur reminded us of our founder Lou Redmond, in that colorful "white suit" he used to wear. You wonder what he really thought. "Isn't this great" vs "Have I created a monster?" Ha ha

And how about the free donuts that K-Line used to hand out in the Purple Hall on Friday morning? Gone with the wind...

And the "crush" in the Blue Hall, "the gold mine" as my family used to call it, "where all the good stuff is" (that hasn't been secretly sold at Billy Budd etc. earlier in the week). Still crowded but much easier to navigate these days, thanks to the Silver Hall taking part of the load.

And at 5pm as the blankets covered the tables, you thought "boy that was fun, now I have to wait another 6 months!"

"WEAVER"...................Paul

S & W Parts Supply in Purple Hall

And the lovely voice of the announcer lady saying to follow the direction arrows in the Halls.

THE PUBLIC DELIVERY TRACK.  COME BACK BETH!!!!

Alexander's Restaurant. 

Bill

At the TCA Convention this summer in Pittsburgh, they had Lou’s suit on display, and some other cool items.

I didn't read all the pages but if not mentioned I miss Ma & Pa Junction he carried almost all of Williams to the show. WBB has changed it so much it's really not Williams anymore.

I miss the independent food vendors on the fairgrounds.  Now they're all run by that french fry vendor.  Much worse food, much greater prices, not much variety.

Also miss the Giant Food store across the street from the Blue Hall.  Always picked up a really good sub-sandwich there for my way home on Saturdays.  

(Ah... Nothing is forever!)

Paul Fischer

All my friends that have passed away. Remember, I have been going to York for over 41 years.

Beth and Vince, plus Alex at the Korber booth.

Lines hundreds of people long at opening, crowds, all buildings full of dealers with over flow tents, manufactures display trailers, packed aisles in every building plus lots of precious folks no longer with us. 

I would give anything to see Loco Louie stomp another freight car to pieces when some chiseler  tried beat Louie's price down on it. 

Although it had a short run, I miss "Mikes Kosher Hot Dog Kook-Out" held at 10 AM Thursday mornings in the parking lot near the grandstand.

Tom Tee posted:

I would give anything to see Loco Louie stomp another freight car to pieces when some chiseler  tried beat Louie's price down on it. 

I only heard about this, but I'd LOVE to have seen this exchange and final 'transaction', capture it on the phone camera, and watch it go viral!!  My hat's off to Loco Louie, wherever he is. 

I also heard of a dealer challenged to lower his price to something ridiculous on a diecast figure....not sure it was at York, though.  He had a hammer, beat the figure to a pulp in front of the slack-jawed customer. 

My heroes of the hobby show!    Lord knows I have enough 'stuff' to justify a table or two at a show/meet/market, and I'm of the same ilk....have hammer/steel-toed shoes, will 'negotiate'!

KD

Wow, what a thread!  I started attending York in the Fall of 2000, which makes me a relative newcomer compared to some of the veterans who have already posted.  I think I've missed 1 or 2, which means I've attended 32 or so.  What I miss:

• The competing public announcements.  Reminded me of those in the movie Airplane.  "The Red zone is for..."
• The smells.  Yeah, seriously, the meet had a visceral, aromatic sense to it before they opened the Orange Hall.  Animal pens used to be stacked everywhere. 
• Gold / Yellow halls - I liked walking through them.  Someone near the entrance had tons of vehicles for sale.  I got the kids a bunch of 1:43 cars there.
• The buying frenzy and crowds that came from being open only on Friday and part of Saturday.  The meet was always packed and super-busy.  You had to buy something when you saw it, otherwise it would be gone.  There were few opportunities to make a second pass through the halls.
• The Binnacle!!!!  I think it was in Silver Hall.
• K-Line
• Someone in the Red? Hall made PRR K4s locomotives by marrying two Lionel 2025s.  This was way before Lionel brought out their versions.  At the time, the only K4s on the market were MTH (back in 1997) and the Weaver / Williams ones from the early 1990s.

George

Well, in the long run, as it has turned out, in time, many of us have a lot of the stuff we bought at York on our layouts and/or in our collections at home, so we have treasured mementoes still with us to remind us of good people, good times, a unique event and venue, and the place of our unique hobby in our personal histories.

I am grateful for it all.

FrankM, Layout Refinements, and Moon Township, USA.

dkdkrd posted:

Dunno what his official name was, but we called him 'Mr. Shakey'.....the lifesize figure in the conductor's uniform that stood at one corner of the Scenic Express booth.  The ol' geezer had the shakes and held a pan for 'tips'. 

I 'spect he lost his mojo somewhere along the line and was retired.  Or, maybe the fairground latrine attendants felt he was too competitive for the tips and had him....'dispatched'???

Poor guy.....they should have at least given him a stool to sit on for those long show hours.

Worse yet?......I'm starting to identify with the guy's attributes, too!  (NOT an offer to substitute, mind you!!!)

KD

He actually made his way to our club

I miss this guys booth

And I miss this guy

The AOL dinners.

The Green Hall.

The free stuff.  (Just kidding.  There never was any free stuff.)

The buying frenzy and crowds that came from being open only on Friday and part of Saturday.  The meet was always packed and super-busy.  You had to buy something when you saw it, otherwise it would be gone.  There were few opportunities to make a second pass through the halls.

I know a number of people who preferred the "shotgun start", and even more that preferred the two day show.  IMHO, the character of the show changed shortly after it was changed to three days.

What do I miss at York?

Me. I  miss my being here...amidst all the happiness and camaraderie. And if I ever manage to craft a full-enough inventory again, I may be back. For now, as I continue to recover from several serious surgeries, I craft when I am inspired and continue to inform my previous York customers, as well as my clients, via photo attachments to e-mails, of what I have completed most recently.

However, when I do that, they say, "Sold!" and have me ship the Insta-Ramas  to them (!)

My usual inventory for York had been 40 - 44 completed works. However, right now, my inventory stored in my trainroom is comprised of exactly one Insta-Rama, to date (!) Everything continues to sell before I can accumulate enough to justify getting back to York. I've begun to wonder if my little business of Layout Refinements has shifted from my temporary "storefront" booth in the Orange Hall at York to an on-line business? I continue to wonder.

One of the very best parts of being at York became enjoying the visits to my booth, as soon as I completed setting-up, by Allan Miller, of OGR, Jim Elster of Scenic Express, and Roy Baker, of Baker's Railroad Shop, each of whom would visit the booth before the opening of the Meet, to see what I had made. Those greetings by those gentlemen, and their interest in my creativity, were moments I treasured, frankly. I miss that, too.

So, life is good, very, very good, but I do miss being at the TCA Meet @York, very much.

FrankM, Moon Township, USA, and Layout Refinements

Moonson posted:

What do I miss at York?

Me. I  miss my being here...amidst all the happiness and camaraderie. And if I ever manage to craft a full-enough inventory again, I may be back. For now, as I continue to recover from several serious surgeries, I craft when I am inspired and continue to inform my previous York customers, as well as my clients, via photo attachments to e-mails, of what I have completed most recently.

However, when I do that, they say, "Sold!" and have me ship the Insta-Ramas  to them (!)

My usual inventory for York had been 40 - 44 completed works. However, right now, my inventory stored in my trainroom is comprised of exactly one Insta-Rama, to date (!) Everything continues to sell before I can accumulate enough to justify getting back to York. I've begun to wonder if my little business of Layout Refinements has shifted from my temporary "storefront" booth in the Orange Hall at York to an on-line business? I continue to wonder.

One of the very best parts of being at York became enjoying the visits to my booth, as soon as I completed setting-up, by Allan Miller, of OGR, Jim Elster of Scenic Express, and Roy Baker, of Baker's Railroad Shop, each of whom would visit the booth before the opening of the Meet, to see what I had made. Those greetings by those gentlemen, and their interest in my creativity, were moments I treasured, frankly. I miss that, too.

So, life is good, very, very good, but I do miss being at the TCA Meet @York, very much.

FrankM, Moon Township, USA, and Layout Refinements

We miss you, too Frank!

George

Thank you, George. Thank you very much.

FrankM

C W Burfle posted:

The buying frenzy and crowds that came from being open only on Friday and part of Saturday.  The meet was always packed and super-busy.  You had to buy something when you saw it, otherwise it would be gone.  There were few opportunities to make a second pass through the halls.

I know a number of people who preferred the "shotgun start", and even more that preferred the two day show.  IMHO, the character of the show changed shortly after it was changed to three days.

Certainly true ... the character of the Meet changed when it went to three days.

I don't mind the three-day Meet because I have much more time to see "everything".  Then again, the pressure of getting to all the halls in two days provided a special, memorable challenge.

I remember when Neil set up the HORDE layout. I was standing outside the tent as they were setting it up. Neil was having some issues with a steam engine. I think he was trying to get the smoke and sound to work. I didn’t recognize Neil not having seen him in over 25 years.

I motioned to a guy standing next to this guy in all black having trouble with the engine. He came over to me and I said “try reset”. He went back to the other guy and a minute later he was running the engine.

He came back over to me and said “Neil would like to meet you”. He told me to stop back in the afternoon. He asked me if they could do anything for me and I said I had some things I’d like to get signed. He said Neil would be pleased to do that. I went back in the afternoon and had a nice conversation with Neil about TMCC and he signed every thing I had including the Lionel dealer promotional TMCC tractor and trailer.

The Giant Supermarket is still there, at least it was last October. I miss the AOL BBQ and dinners at the Viking Club along with all of our friends who are no longer with us.

We still have dinner Thursday and Friday with a number of our AOL friends from around the country.

I attended my first York in 1995 in April and have kept every member badge.

Neil who?

eddie g posted:

Neil who?

Young, who else!

He also came to the AOL BBQ on the Fairgrounds one year we have a photo of him having a beer. I think it was a Rolling Rock.

One year he came in his tour bus and we got to take a tour of it. A guy named Jonn Kitterman, afilated with Lionel at the time was the driver and we were friends with him and he took us on the tour. It was kind of neat to see.

I also miss the bandit meets. 

C W Burfle posted:

 

I know a number of people who preferred the two day show.  IMHO, the character of the show changed shortly after it was changed to three days.

Two days? Are you saying the dealers stayed to 5 pm or later on Saturday?

Two days? Are you saying the dealers stayed to 5 pm or later on Saturday?

I guess you aren't familiar with what the show hours were.

Joe Hohmann posted:

C W Burfle posted:

 

I know a number of people who preferred the two day show.  IMHO, the character of the show changed shortly after it was changed to three days.

Two days? Are you saying the dealers stayed to 5 pm or later on Saturday?

No, they did not. I liked the two-day event myself, BUT primarily because the earlier days in York week could be spent visiting the numerous "bandit meet" events at various hotels and other venues in the immediate area. Those several days earlier in the week were a whole lot of fun, not to mention good exercise since some of them were outdoors. Those banditmeets pretty much whithered and even died altogether when the Eastern Division changed things to a three-day fairgrounds meet. There still are a couple or three around (maybe even more), but ALL are shells of their former selves.

laz1957 posted:

S & W Parts Supply in Purple Hall

And the lovely voice of the announcer lady saying to follow the direction arrows in the Halls.

I think you're talking about Bill Harrison.  He usually sets up at the old Sheraton in the corner closest to the main entrance 

Allan, You need to come a day or two early and take in the Wyndham meet.

The bandit meet at the former Holidome was very busy a year or two ago. Haven’t come early since then. 

irish rifle posted:

Also Beth Marshall and the Public Delivery Track. With Beth's exit from York, the Brown Hall closed.

What ever happened to Beth?

Her home base is on the west coast and that is where she is 

Joe Hohmann posted:

C W Burfle posted:

 

I know a number of people who preferred the two day show.  IMHO, the character of the show changed shortly after it was changed to three days.

Two days? Are you saying the dealers stayed to 5 pm or later on Saturday?

Heck no!  The meet was effectively over at noon on Saturday.  Dealers started packing about then.

George

Moonson posted:

Thank you, George. Thank you very much.

FrankM

You're welcome.

George

dkdkrd posted:

Dunno what his official name was, but we called him 'Mr. Shakey'.....the lifesize figure in the conductor's uniform that stood at one corner of the Scenic Express booth.  The ol' geezer had the shakes and held a pan for 'tips'. 

I 'spect he lost his mojo somewhere along the line and was retired.  Or, maybe the fairground latrine attendants felt he was too competitive for the tips and had him....'dispatched'???

Poor guy.....they should have at least given him a stool to sit on for those long show hours.

Worse yet?......I'm starting to identify with the guy's attributes, too!  (NOT an offer to substitute, mind you!!!)

KD

Isn't he greeting people  at the NJ Highrailers club now? He has been there for several years!

C W Burfle posted:

Two days? Are you saying the dealers stayed to 5 pm or later on Saturday?

I guess you aren't familiar with what the show hours were.

You are correct, before the 3-day show, I was never there on a Saturday. Thank you for your non-answer.

Joe Hohmann posted:

C W Burfle posted:

Two days? Are you saying the dealers stayed to 5 pm or later on Saturday?

I guess you aren't familiar with what the show hours were.

You are correct, before the 3-day show, I was never there on a Saturday. Thank you for your non-answer.

I thought you were being wise. You did not ask what the Saturday hours were. Can't really tell on a chat board. If I recall correctly, the show offically ended at 2:00 PM on Saturday. The show was held on Friday and Saturday. That is two days.

When they opened the dealer halls to the public they extended the Saturday hours to 4 PM. I’m usually gone by then so I don’t know how many of them stay til then.

WaynePA posted:

When they opened the dealer halls to the public they extended the Saturday hours to 4 PM. I’m usually gone by then so I don’t know how many of them stay til then.

Very few.  One last meet near a roll up door was apparently gone right around noon!   Not just packing up at noon, gone by noon!

-Dave

I REALLY MISS going to York. I just like the atmosphere the friends, and most of all the new items and ideas. I always came away with at least 5 or 6 ideas to add to my layout. Probably will not make it this April, but I need to plan on going in October. Also, I do enjoy all of the photos that you all take and post for us here at home.

I love the York Meet no matter what the format is or was.  But for me personally, I rather like the three day version.  I like to graze the halls and take my time.  A friend of mine who use to attend with me was the opposite.  He'd walk into the Orange Hall, walk around half of it, buy one or two items and then he was ready to go home.  

I've found that the last several years that I do most of my buying on Saturdays, after I've perused the Halls and decided what I wanted to bring home.  But I do get my 'must haves' on Thursday. 

What I do miss about the two day Meet is meeting up with my cousins and leaving at 3am to make sure we were there by the 8am opening on Friday.  We factored in a tailgating stop along the way.  My uncle would bring all kinds of sandwiches and salads and we'd stop at a turnpike rest stop about half way there and eat while it was still dark and cold, and then again at lunchtime.

I find this post depressing. In addition to many of the above items, I'm gonna miss the DCS dinner.

Gerry

Traindiesel posted:

I love the York Meet no matter what the format is or was.  But for me personally, I rather like the three day version.  I like to graze the halls and take my time.  A friend of mine who use to attend with me was the opposite.  He'd walk into the Orange Hall, walk around half of it, buy one or two items and then he was ready to go home. 

What I do miss about the two day Meet is meeting up with my cousins and leaving at 3am to make sure we were there by the 8am opening on Friday.  We factored in a tailgating stop along the way.  My uncle would bring all kinds of sandwiches and salads and we'd stop at a turnpike rest stop about half way there and eat while it was still dark and cold, and then again at lunchtime.

Brian

I like the 3 day format as well.  I follow the same tune as you.  Must haves on Thursday and depending if I stay til Friday or Saturday I'll pick up the oh by the ways those days.  Lately York for me is mostly about socializing.  Unless I am looking for a specific item, I enjoying walking, people watching, and finding friends wandering the halls.  The Legacy meeting is always a challenge but worth it.  If it ever went back to Friday Saturday I suspect I'd travel in Thursday afternoon and out Friday.  I'm getting to the point of getting up at O'dark thirty isn't fun anymore.

I also like the three day format.  I come in at Thursday noon, stay till closing and return on Friday morning and stay until about noon.  Then I'm off to West Virginia for Spring Gobbler season.  This schedule allows me to beat most of the bad traffic because even on Friday morning I get there about 7:00 AM so I miss a lot of the rush hour.  Nevertheless, I really do miss the bandit meets and to be completely honest even the crush of the crowds when York was a two day meet.  Those crowds added to the excitement of the event.  The three day schedule allows those crowds to be somewhat more evenly distributed but even at that there are still about 10,000 people attending.

All things evolve and change over time. The ED York meet is no exception to the rule. Today's York event is far different that it was in 1981 when I first attended. Back then the crowd was young and high energy, numerous dealers that were there,  are no longer. Some great new products were offered over the years and many dealers have come and gone. My last York event was in  2016. The main attraction for myself was the OGR Thursday night at Friday's event.  I really miss seeing the good forum members from all over,  some of which have become good friends. 

G3750 posted:

Moonson posted:

Thank you, George. Thank you very much.

FrankM

You're welcome.

George

Some good looking guys in those pix.  Must be around 2012 or so.

From Roger:  " I always came away with at least 5 or 6 ideas to add to my layout."

YES!!  Exactly! 

At first, going to York was coming home with trains.

Now going to York is coming home with ideas ... and friendships!!!!

You get some thread here Steve!!

Lemme see,

OK, I miss the Yellow Hall (under grandstand) man it used to get packed in there.

The food stand next to the Purple Hall.  How crowded Purple Hall used to be with KLine in the corner.                                                                                                        The Black Hall (when it had dealers in it)- always got deals there!

And Santa Fe Mike and I take bragging rites for being first guys in Orange Hall for its first TCA York event!!!

Just can't remember what year that was???  Oh boy...............

I remember the year when Neil Young was there with his layout with the Jumbotron screens, and somebody mentioned the bus before, if you remember the front of the bus was shaped like an F3 I'll never forget that it was beautiful. It was just a certain Ambiance of the yellow hall. It was great. If I'm not mistaken when it used to rain it would leak inside there in some spots anyone remember that?

I also like the 3 day York.  Years ago I could cover the whole show on 2 days, now I need the 3 hahaha,  did the show get bigger??  haha  no , I got slower haha.  I also get the bargains I really don't need on Saturday and the musts on Thursday.    Enjoy seeing friends but in a way sad too as I see those of us who are gone now and know I someday will be gone too.  I sure hope there is a layout and a great train show in the here after haha.

I miss the ladies in the back of the silver hall in the restaurant that you had to sneak in through the kitchen to have an early breakfast.  They were so nice.

Recently, Youngstown and Scott Smith said that one of the missing folks from YORK was Gil Finn...one of the original posters on this forum and greatly missed since his passing. I ran this car on the layout today to remember an old forum member.

John

I miss dealers being under the grandstand, Loco Louie, Right of Way, MTH, etc.  It was crowded, but fun.     Also miss Neil Young when he would come to York, especially his Horde Tour layout in the tent and large screen outside the tent.  His buses were always interesting to see.  Also miss seeing Mr. Kuhn, owner of Lionel at the time.

I miss my buddie Sean Marchev and his Dad.

I miss all the bandit meets, and their finds, which also seem gone. I miss the handicapped guy in the dealer hall with the model cars.  And l especially miss all the different mfrs. and trains. Made some effort to get 2018 catalogs from big two today. Deja vu, except for the Ingersoll Rand. As usual. Any of those I-R engines run in west or Midwest?

Young People.

Tin