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Legacy GP7 - I can differentiate diesel engine, air compressor and wheel squeal sounds but what is the banging sound supposed to represent? Almost sounds like a grunt?

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Gene - I’m not hearing it on your video. Perhaps a retake at a slower speed, and if you have a freight sounds boxcar, please silence that.

Mark, this is the odd sound I’ve been hearing since I got the locomotive. I never thought anything of it until you mentioned it. After hearing yours a few times it’s not quite identical. Maybe the age of difference sound files but yours sounds deeper with a bit of an echo(it could be the acoustics of the room?). Hope this helps.

Gene

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Mark- the sounds on your Geep are much more pronounced that Gene's RS27. I think the first one (on the back straight) sounds like the slack being taken up on a string of cars, would make sense on start up but not continually. The second (in the curve and front straight) sounds like a creaky door hinge to me.

IMO- these effects are appropriate at slow speeds to simulate the squeaks and squeals of locos and rolling stock. If they could be shut off above a certain speed then it works.

Bob

@Genemed posted:

Mark, this is the odd sound I’ve been hearing since I got the locomotive. I never thought anything of it until you mentioned it. After hearing yours a few times it’s not quite identical. Maybe the age of difference sound files but yours sounds deeper with a bit of an echo(it could be the acoustics of the room?). Hope this helps.

Gene

I totally agree with you, Gene. Thanks for posting. Your sound effects seem to be much less obtrusive than my GP7. Mine seem louder, as noted by Bob above, and longer lasting than yours. I sent an email to Dave Olson, so I hope he weighs in.

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I totally agree with you, Gene. Thanks for posting. Your sound effects seem to be much less obtrusive than my GP7. Mine seem louder, as noted by Bob above, and longer lasting than yours. I sent an email to Dave Olson, so I hope he weighs in.

I’ll be curious what Dave says. According to Bob’s input, can I assume that locomotive sound files include some freight sounds also?

Gene

These new sounds appeared when Lionel changed to their new Legacy boards in 2021 and every diesel engine review I have heard on the Internet since then has the same sounds.  Here is a link to a previous thread:  https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...2#154026431082574122

I can tolerate the creaking and the groaning, but I hate the high two note sound that constantly plays.  I have never heard a real diesel make this high/low "heeee-hawww" sound.  Because of that annoying sound, I haven't purchased another new Lionel diesel engine since 2021.

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Ever since Rudy left Lionel, the sounds haven't been the same.

In conventional operation, sound volume can no longer be adjusted on recent Legacy steam engines that I have purchased. In my opinion, the volume is not loud enough and my older Lionel engines sound better. I just bought a new Railking RS-3 diesel and the sound level still can be adjusted by a potentiometer on the underside.

MELGAR

It sounds like most of you guys have not spent much time trackside. There are a LOT more sounds around a train than those made by the engine. Slack running in or out,  coupler sounds, flanges squealing on curves, general running gear noise, track noises…they are all a part of the many different sounds that trains make.

That’s what all this sounds like to me. As to whether they should be part of a locomotive sound set, you guys can debate that.

Just curious is if they are linked to train speed in the Lionel engine, meaning you hear these when going slow as in the videos, but not when at speed.  I know I have heard creaks and moans, spring sound as bolsters get pushed up and down on uneven track as a train goes by slowly, but trackside, being passenger or freight when at speed, it was clickity clack of rail joints, the clank of a flat wheel, flange squeal in a curve, just overall roar of a passing train, but no groans.

@Rich Melvin posted:

It sounds like most of you guys have not spent much time trackside. There are a LOT more sounds around a train than those made by the engine. Slack running in or out,  coupler sounds, flanges squealing on curves, general running gear noise, track noises…they are all a part of the many different sounds that trains make.



Although few have as much experience as you have, I think many of us recognize the sounds you have identified.  I wonder if you could look at the video I posted 3 years ago and identify the two tone, high pitch sound that occurs as -0.28, -0.17, and -0.01.  Three times in 30 seconds.  What do you think that sound is representing?   The sound appears to be present in all Lionel diesel locomotives made after the change in the Legacy boards around 2021.

         https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...2#154026431082574122

Thanks

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@Rich Melvin posted:

It sounds like most of you guys have not spent much time trackside. There are a LOT more sounds around a train than those made by the engine. Slack running in or out,  coupler sounds, flanges squealing on curves, general running gear noise, track noises…they are all a part of the many different sounds that trains make.

That’s what all this sounds like to me. As to whether they should be part of a locomotive sound set, you guys can debate that.

Rich I’m a hobbyist. Not even a model railroader. I don’t repaint, I decal, I don’t reassemble, I don’t solder, and I don’t modify. And, Brooklyn born and raised, real freight engine sounds are foreign to me. Going around my CBL, and occurring so frequently, these extraneous sounds absolutely detract from my enjoyment of running this train. Truthfully, it sounds to me like a drunk guy banging up against the door, tryin’ to get out of the stall, in a dive bar bathroom.

Rich I’m a hobbyist. Not even a model railroader. I don’t repaint, I decal, I don’t reassemble, I don’t solder, and I don’t modify. And, Brooklyn born and raised, real freight engine sounds are foreign to me. Going around my CBL, and occurring so frequently, these extraneous sounds absolutely detract from my enjoyment of running this train. Truthfully, it sounds to me like a drunk guy banging up against the door, tryin’ to get out of the stall, in a dive bar bathroom.

You need to spend more time around the RR and less time in those dive bars!

You need to spend more time around the RR and less time in those dive bars!

An EXCELLENT suggestion! Nothing like sitting in a shady spot at a local station on the BNSF triple track "East End", on a nice afternoon, watching & listening to the various freight trains, Amtrak trains, and METRA trains. Just yesterday afternoon, I saw 5 movements in just 40 minutes.

Trains do make all sorts of sounds on the rails as Rich and Hot Water can attest to. Where my local train store is and one spot on my way to work, trains frequent these spots, sometimes at speed, and others slower or dead stop. I've heard a bit of those sounds, not unlike some I have heard at Strasburg(particularly coupler slack). On the Black River & Western there is a lot of noise to be heard as well. Some of that comes from the bridges and some from the old restored track. A couple of years back, I was able to take the ride out to Bowne Station where the tracks had been restored after many years of neglect. The cars swayed quite a bit and a ton of creaks and other such sounds abounded on that set of tracks. I don't know to what extent the fix was, but rather slow speed on that set of tracks. I know Rich had said there there are grades of track conditions which also factor into how the train has to travel over them.

To me, it sounds like an elephant beginning to trumpet than starts to puke.  Maybe that's a stretch, but point being I wouldn't want that sound playing over and over again on a simple loop especially.  I couldn't hear much of the diesel engine sounds besides that on the original video, isn't that the point of the exercise.

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