What Other RRs Painted Their Diesels Differently For Their Particular Service?

Santa Fe did this for a while.

Red for passenger units and blue for freight.

CB&Q, Burlington:

Rusty

OGR Webmaster posted:

Santa Fe did this for a while.

Red for passenger units and blue for freight.

Don't forget the Zebra's ...

Rusty

PRR; Tuscan red for passenger engines and Brunswick green for freight.  There were exceptions early on, of course.  PRR started out with both freight and passenger in Brunswick green and there were a handful of dual service F units in Tuscan red.

Curt

to add to Curt's post, the PRR painted all their diesels DGLE Brunswick Green, until the streamliner era when they changed passenger unit color to Tuscan Red to match the consist.

Lackawanna and Erie had different schemes for passenger and freight cabs.   Central had different colors used in the same paint scheme.   Don't forget Northern Pacific !

KCS painted their passenger F's in what was called the "southern Belle" scheme. Freight cabs reversed the main yellow and red colors.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Seaboard Air Line had some nice and not so nice paint jobs, but they did paint their diesels differently for the service they were meant.

Passenger Diesels were painted (1st) in their Citrus Scheme:

And of course their switchers were painted red and black:

There were some experimental paint schemes, but these were the ones that stood the test of time.

What other RRS did this???

Thanks for this info Bob, good topic. I am interested in SCL because i remember it most from my childhood so this is particularly interesting to me. I think my favorite scheme was the citrus scheme passenger diesel. 

I though SCL also had a blue and orange diesel switcher.  

As noted above, Burlington had silver passenger diesels and gray freight ones, but I don't know whether that rule was strictly followed later in the company's history, or if they had a power shortage and needed something that would run.

colorado hirailer posted:

As noted above, Burlington had silver passenger diesels and gray freight ones, but I don't know whether that rule was strictly followed later in the company's history, or if they had a power shortage and needed something that would run.

Not on the Burlington since the passenger units had much different traction motor gear rations than all the freight units, when it came to the "E Units" vs. the "F Units". The GP7/GP9 and SD7/SD9 units were different and could be used in both freight and passenger for the branch line operations, if said units were equipped with steam generators.

I nearly forgot; the N&W used different colors too.  Freight engines were black and the passenger GP9's that bumped the J's were Tuscan red.

Curt

Bob D,

One minor bit of info, a friend has the SAL E unit painting diagram, and on it the green was labeled Sea Foam Green, not Mint Green.  I lived in Tallahassee, in the '50s and '60s, on the SAL's west end and the passenger locos that came through town looked white, the green was that washed out.

ChipR

"I thought SCL also had a blue and orange diesel switcher"

Gary, I think that was ONLY in Lionel's dreams, I've never seen a photo of one painted that color.  Of course, SAL also had a single GP9 painted in Jolly Green Giant paint too but I've never seen a color photo of that either (do have a B&W photo and you can tell the difference).

ChipR, I think the Sea Foam and Mint green thing has been kicked around for decades, but most of the KIAs (know it alls ) on the historical forum have labeled it Mint, like in Mint Julep.

From what I've read it turned to white about as quickly as the N&W Pevler blue started to fade.

Maybe if CSX ever gets around to doing some Heritage schemes we'll get to see these colors again

Back when 3rd Rail was doing the E7s I sent them a paint sample and my model it looks spot on.

Seaboard had some of the freights painted in the Citrus scheme also, plus a set of FTs (4018 and 4118) were painted in looks like a brown scheme with gold lettering, but both died quickly in favor of the Pullman/Seaboard Green.

Espee..Daylight and Black Widow !  Illinois Central...but then they had no freight cabs I know of.

Some roads had locomotives painted for ONE passenger train:  MKT and Frisco E7's for the TEXAS SPECIAL.  That era did not last very long!

Bob Delbridge posted:

"I thought SCL also had a blue and orange diesel switcher"

Gary, I think that was ONLY in Lionel's dreams, I've never seen a photo of one painted that color.  Of course, SAL also had a single GP9 painted in Jolly Green Giant paint too but I've never seen a color photo of that either (do have a B&W photo and you can tell the difference).

ChipR, I think the Sea Foam and Mint green thing has been kicked around for decades, but most of the KIAs (know it alls ) on the historical forum have labeled it Mint, like in Mint Julep.

From what I've read it turned to white about as quickly as the N&W Pevler blue started to fade.

Maybe if CSX ever gets around to doing some Heritage schemes we'll get to see these colors again

Back when 3rd Rail was doing the E7s I sent them a paint sample and my model it looks spot on.

Seaboard had some of the freights painted in the Citrus scheme also, plus a set of FTs (4018 and 4118) were painted in looks like a brown scheme with gold lettering, but both died quickly in favor of the Pullman/Seaboard Green.

Seaboard's green passenger livery with the accent stripe looks like PRR's one stripe scheme, but in different colors.  Dis they get inspiration from the PRR, on which ran many of their NYP-Florida triains?

The Citrus scheme seemed very complex,  I can see why they would want to simplify things.

jaygee posted:

Espee..Daylight and Black Widow !  Illinois Central...but then they had no freight cabs I know of.

Espee was not so simple.  Some BW units, f's and GP's had passenger equipment, and were used to power passenger trains, commute and long haul.

Dominic,

Not sure but I do believe SAL got a lot of inspiration from PRR.

SAL found the citrus scheme to be a maintenance headache for sure.  I wonder what NS will do once their Heritage fleet starts showing mileage?  maybe they should have done these paint schemes on older engines they were planning on retiring.

Maybe for another topic, but Seaboard also had passenger cars painted in other RRs schemes, like their coach(es) painted in Illinois Central colors for the CITY OF MIAMI but with SEABOARD on the letterboards.

The Lehigh Valley - the Valley painted every group of diesels different.    

Bob Delbridge posted:

 

Maybe for another topic, but Seaboard also had passenger cars painted in other RRs schemes, like their coach(es) painted in Illinois Central colors for the CITY OF MIAMI but with SEABOARD on the letterboards.

I don't recall seeing Seaboard lettered passenger cars in my IC books.  Central of Georgia, yes.  Seaboard, no.

Rusty

Rusty,

In Paul Faulk's book  "Seaboard Air Line Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", on page 24 there's a photo of SAL 56-seat coach 6269 (6266-6270) in IC City Of Miami colors.  The car was ex-FEC Lantana.

I never knew it until I saw this book.  SAL also had some painted maroon and gray and in two-tone gray.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Dominic,

Not sure but I do believe SAL got a lot of inspiration from PRR.

SAL found the citrus scheme to be a maintenance headache for sure.  I wonder what NS will do once their Heritage fleet starts showing mileage?  maybe they should have done these paint schemes on older engines they were planning on retiring.

Maybe for another topic, but Seaboard also had passenger cars painted in other RRs schemes, like their coach(es) painted in Illinois Central colors for the CITY OF MIAMI but with SEABOARD on the letterboards.

And PRR had cars painted for other roads on run through trains.  The FL trains are an example.

Plus PRR had Green, Red and SILVER GG-1's.  The SAL green livery has the look of those GG's.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Dominic,

Not sure but I do believe SAL got a lot of inspiration from PRR.

SAL found the citrus scheme to be a maintenance headache for sure.  I wonder what NS will do once their Heritage fleet starts showing mileage?  maybe they should have done these paint schemes on older engines they were planning on retiring.

Maybe for another topic, but Seaboard also had passenger cars painted in other RRs schemes, like their coach(es) painted in Illinois Central colors for the CITY OF MIAMI but with SEABOARD on the letterboards.

UP's are still going strong.  Even the Olympic units are out there!

CSX and at one time Amtrak had ORANGE units for MOW service!

During the 1940's and 1950's, Missouri Pacific used different designs (though in the same colors) on passenger and freight diesels.  Its hood units were painted in the freight scheme, but subsidiary Texas & Pacific painted its hood units orange and black in a totally different design.  The kept the hood unit design and began to change the colors to blue and light grey just before the Jenks solid blue was adopted for everything.

New York Central used grey for passenger, black for freight.

Frisco used red and gold for passenger, black and imitation gold for freight cabs, and black with imitation gold diagonal stripes for hood units.

Pittsburgh & Lake Erie used the NYC scheme on its late model Alco-GE PA's, but I believe they painted their geeps in a dark green lightening stripe instead of NYC black.  Correct me if I am mistaken.

N&W Freight Diesels were black, GP-9 passenger locomotives (Powhatan Arrow) were Tuscan red. Subsequently all were painted Pevler Blue.

Then there is "story" that PRR had some K4s' painted tuscan red???????

This gets into steam, but some lines had steam engines painted for passenger trains, with and without streamlining.

The Milwaukee Road's earliest diesel switchers were all painted black (like a locomotive should be painted) but then some of them started showing up in the Hiawatha colors with light gray on the top and orange on the lower part, separated by a maroon stripe.  Eventually they all had orange on the lower section with black from about 1/2 way up. 

Their freight diesels, in later years were also black tops with orange lower sections.  When they first started to purchase road diesels for freight use, they were a medium gray with an orange stripe around the belt area.  Later on these were also painted with an orange lower section and a black top.  When this last scheme started in about 1950, they also included a wide maroon stripe above the belt rail.

Passenger engines had the biggest variations.  The first two passenger diesels, A-A E-6's and A-A DL109's, they had a light gray upper section  and an orange and maroon stripe around the belt.  The Fairbanks Erie-builts had a paint job of their own which you have to see to understand.  Some even had a chrome, radiator-like panel across the front of the A unit.  this was eliminated fairly early and all passenger units were painted with a black roof, an orange bottom separated by a wide maroon stripe.  In 1956 the Milwaukee entered into an agreement with the Union Pacific to handle their passenger trains from Omaha to Chicago (replacing the C&NW) and at that time began painting all of their passenger equipment, except commuter cars, into U.P. Yellow and Gray.   To me, that spelled the end of the real Milwaukee Road, although the company remained in business for another 30 years.

Paul Fischer