What Static Display Steam Engine Would You Like To See Running Again?

Wouldn't the Engineer be in a more difficult position on a Camelback, given that they would be essentially riding smack next to the boiler, where the Fireman is essentially in the same position they always would be, at the footplate and shoveling?

Eddie Marra posted:

Wouldn't the Engineer be in a more difficult position on a Camelback,

What would you think was "difficult"? 

given that they would be essentially riding smack next to the boiler,

In most non-camelback locomotives the Engineer is right next to the backhead, i.e. the firebox, and is actually probably hotter than on a camelback.

where the Fireman is essentially in the same position they always would be, at the footplate and shoveling?

You mean the cab "decker floor, as the term "footplate" is a British Rail, or European, term.

 

Hot Water posted:

Eddie Marra posted:

Wouldn't the Engineer be in a more difficult position on a Camelback,

What would you think was "difficult"? 

given that they would be essentially riding smack next to the boiler,

In most non-camelback locomotives the Engineer is right next to the backhead, i.e. the firebox, and is actually probably hotter than on a camelback.

where the Fireman is essentially in the same position they always would be, at the footplate and shoveling?

You mean the cab "decker floor, as the term "footplate" is a British Rail, or European, term.

 

I was using the term of difficult to follow Montclaire's thoughts on the Fireman's position on a Camelback.  I know that the Engineer and Fireman are in the same area on a non-Camelback, just trying to find out from Montclaire why the Fireman is in a more precarious spot on the Camelback.

And I was trying to remember the US term, so I just went ahead and used the British term for the cab deck floor!

For me it's the static steam locomotives sitting on the shelves in my house and in my storage unit.

 

Stuart posted:

Rusty Traque posted:

Besides, it's not like conventional steam locomotives are immune:

Rusty

The difference is that on the 102 the side rod didn't go through the cab.  On a Camelback quite often a broken side rod would slice through the cab, and the engineer as well.

Stuart

 

 

By the grace of God only.  It wouldn't have take much for this to be fatal to the engineer and fireman.

Rusty

OK, folks...enough of this thread hijack.

Let’s get back on the original subject.

RETINPA posted:

N&W # 1218.  I rode behind it in 1987 and it made an unforgettable impression.

I agree on the #1218

Not trying to stir the pot at all.  In all seriousness, this one:

It went to the B&O museum operational and has been indoors for a long time.  The last locomotive in existence to have pulled the Blue Comet.  There are enough cars left in existence to build a late era version of this train and maybe even use part of the original route if one were to dream big. 

I thought we were discussing one of the possible candidates. Why or why not seems to be on topic, and I feel I've learned a thing or two in the procsss; though I dont agree on all points and approacbes. Maybe I missed something too? Too bad, is all I can say I guess. I think the General/Texas outweighs the camels in historical value, but any camelback is a definite "wish it moved" for it's uniqueness alone.

MY preference is some type that has not run since the end of regular service steam.  My list would mirror some other postings:  NYC Mohawk 3001 (go anywhere due to clearances), C&O poppet valve  Hudson 490- as modern as you can get,  one of the five remaining monster CB&Q Hudsons, NKP 4-6-4 170 (100 years old in 2027).  NKP men say they were real sweethearts, and the rough riding subsided when you got above 90 mph!) 

And if a Big Boy can be revived, then how about one of  Lima's two biggest survivors, the 2-6-6-6.

Sheer age and crown brass (solid bearings) would probably rule out the NKP Hudson.  All of the others have roller bearings on their drivers so they are viable candidates, at least mechanically.

I still like WM 202.  Overhauled shortly before being donated to “the children of Hagerstown”.  

And this one. An H. K. Porter that started life as an 0-4-0 saddle tanker converted to a 2-4-0 and tender.  She may not look like much but I know she’ll pull 4 heavyweights up a 2% grade.

 

Either of the NYC Mohawks