would you but a flyer set offered by LCCA

Depends on the set. Remake of flyer set or new set with one of the new Lionel designed engines?

 

For example, I pre-ordered and have been waiting 2+ years for the remake of the Defender set but do not own any of the new Lionel engines.

 'Yes' would very much depend on what was proposed. Some of the 'tougher' sets from 1956-59 that have not been already reissued by Lionel might draw in more takers.

 

If it was a prewar 'Chicago' Flyer tinplate set, yes, I could be very interested. At this time, there are no reproductions of any Flyer O gauge tinplate at all. But unfortunately, there is no existing tooling to serve as a basis for such an offering.

 

Bob Bubeck

 

PS: I have been informed by the folks at Lionel that the Defender set is still slated for production.

Lou,

 

I would absolutely buy an S scale set if it was done as faithfully as you did the NH 209 set in O scale.  With your commitment to quality and accuracy in making reproductions, a good repoduction set with the older style heavyweights in green or red would very, very nice, IMO, especially if it had reproduction boxes!!! 

 

I may be in the minority here, but I would also be interested in one of the early link pin hudson passenger sets like the: 4613  or one of the old 332 passenger sets like the: 4617.

 

 

 

"but" no

"buy" maybe if its tinplate O gauge.

Interesting thought, Lou. 

 

This wouldn't be a veiled attempt to snatch some dues money out of my poor, weary wallet now, would it?

 

I've observed you doing some interesting things with Lionel and you almost had me with the 208's and 209's.   It took a lot of cold showers...

 

Seriously, as others have stated, it would depend on the offering.  For myself, I've pretty much stopped collecting Flyer made with or based on Gilbert designs (except for the EP-5's, I'm a sucker for those...)

 

The newer scale offerings on the other hand, if they're not fantasy (or too much fantasy...) I might be interested.

 

Rusty

Bob:

 

Talked with the Lionel folks recently and they think now the Defender will be pushed out again, perhaps into next year (web site still says July). They still are having problems with the bell ringer and the box car and launcher combo.

Lou,

 

Great idea. You are so creative!

 

Seriously, there are two basic ways to go here. One is a reproduction of a hard-to-find AC Gilbert Flyer set. The problem with that approach is Lionel has done so many Flyer Sets, Geeps and PAs over the last three decades that there would be resistance among collectors to buy more Gilbert inspired equipment unless it had not been made over and over again.  For example, I bought the new Texas Special PAs because that is the first time Lionel has offered them with modern electronics and features; command control, RailSounds and fan driven smoke. I would not have ordered them otherwise.

 

The other approach is to use the newly tooled offerings with the electronics Lionel is packing into their S scale steam and diesels these days. Here, someone with your proven ability to create desirable trains could do wonderful thing for us hobbyists. How about a New Haven passenger set led by the electronically enhanced PAs for starters.  Or you could use the new U-33 and SD-70ACe diesels to create a memorable freight set. Lionel has several newly tooled steamers that could be the basis for colorful freight or passenger sets. the possibilities are endless for someone  with your fertile imagination, historical knowledge of O and S gauge trains and access to Lionel tooling.

 

Or you could really go crazy and convince Lionel to do the NYC Hudson with new scale tooling. Gee, it worked for the Vision Lionel Hudson. 

 

Just a few thoughts to get things rolling. Stay tuned, film at eleven

 

Ed Boyle

Just my personal opinion, but I would be interested only if it were scale. I don't have any interest in any postwar type reissues.

Ed, if Lionel does an S scale Hudson I think I might go crazy! Seriously, I will buy 2 or 3, especially if they were in a unique set. How about one freight and one passenger set? Drooooooool.....

jonnyspeed,

 

Agreed!

 

Now that would be the way for Lionel to reintroduce an S scale Hudson to the line.

 

The Vision Line Hudson with all its great operational features can show the way for its new little brother.  Might take a while for them to do it given how much it would cost and depending on the reaction of the market to current Lionel S scale steamers, but it would be a watershed steam engine for ALL S scalers.

 

Better for the postwar Hudson tooling, if still existing, to have an honorable retirement.  It is sort of a 700 E in S, without the same level of accuracy. For example, the engine is a tad too wide for S scale, although there was a good reason for that.

 

Ed Boyle

YOU GUY'S CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR I WILL DO REPO BOXES IF WE DO POSTWAR VERSIONS. NOW IF WE DECIDE TO USE SOME OF THE NEW SCALE PRODUCT I WILL CARRY OVER SOME OF THE POSTWAR ERA TOUCHIE FEELIE STUFF.

I PROMISE YOU NOTHING LIKE YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE! NOW IF LIONEL WILL ALLOW US TO REPRODUCE A POST WAR SET EVEN THE BOXES WILL BEE RIGHT!

I REFUSE TO USE ALCO DIESELS.

I HAVE CONSIDERED A HUDSON, -0-8-0 AND A K-4

MODERN ERA AC-6000, SD-90, E-7'S- , SHARKS, JC BABY FACE, UP DD-35

Well, this is more helpful.

 

All new E-7, Sharknose, JC Baby Face ideas are all very interesting to me but these would require new tooling. Would Lionel-AF do this for you? Suggest a first generation diesel because most S folk have steam or transition era equipment and these would fit in more readily than the more modern locomotives. Would love to see BF-15 Sharks (other than the lovely but expensive scale brass River Raisin jobs) and DR-6-4-2000 JC Baby Faces in S!

 

The steam engines you mention (Hudson, 0-8-0, and K5) might be best if all new, scale detailed, and full-featured. There are plenty of Gilbert originals out there and I rather doubt the old tooling is up to being used without a lot of reconditioning. Lionel had to make new tools to produce the UP FEF Northerns a few years ago.

 

I'll give you one PA set that really should be redone -- the No. 20480 Santa Fe "Chief" freight set from 1958. This should include, however, the updated 6-wheel power trucks and TMCC/RS in the freight scheme PA-PB-PA. This is a magnificant big 8 car freight set with an operating Gilbert's milk car and bakeman BW caboose. And, Lionel has all of the tooling to produce this one, too. Done with the proper Gilbert 'feel' in terms of rolling stock decoration and packaging (but with updated PA's), this might sell well.

 

Further thoughts?

 

Bob Bubeck

A newer Legacy featured hi rail wheeled scale sized hudson with the PT style centipede tender with 3 heavyweights would do nicely. Speaking of an AF styled Hudson, there was one proposed to be offered which as I recall was even pictured in a catalog ( don't remember the year) which was not made due to either high price or lack of some key parts molds from Gilbert.

 

Rich

The very high pricing of the 1988 cataloged 6-48200 Wabash and 6-48201 AT&SF Hudsons relative to the then current prices for Gilbert Hudsons in LN or E condition 'killed' the project.

 

Bob Bubeck 

I would agree Bob! As much as I like steam powered passenger sets, I would enjoy seeing this one done as well.  I would say this is one of the top five postwar freight sets and would be a strong candidate for a reproduction if that is the direction Lou wants to go.

I suggest you make the two unit Seaboard Baldwin diesel switcher set Flyer offered in the late 50's.

Lou If it is post war s gauge then yes. I love the Santa fe alco idea. How about one of the 4-8-4 up sets, Lionel should be all tooled up for that because the have reissued them. Put a set of green Pullmans behind them with Lionel's new flyer heavyweights and I think you would have a winner. Ben

No

may i ask or get your opinion please

thanks

louie

that is something on our list JIMMY

im going to look into this. you have my word!

I would suggest that someone here who is also a member of the Yahoo American Flyer groups cross-post Lou's proposal over there.

 

Rusty

I will put a Poll on the Facebook group as well.

I APPRECIATE IT!

 

THANKS LOUIE

 

Lionel's Remy Convery Introduces American Flyer Scale Challenger

This past Fall, Lionel Product Manager Remy Convery spent some time with the LCCA and introduced their new American Flyer S-scale Challenger with their full Legacy command control system.  Click on the video link below and view what Remy has to say about the new engine and Lionel's introduction of their new S-gauge Fastrack. Thank you Lionel and Remy for sharing this information with our fellow LCCA members and guests of our website.Www.lionelcollectors.org

OK...  I took my life into my own hands and posted this informaton, linking both treads over on the S Scale Yahoo board. 

 

I expect to be excommunicated over there...

 

Rusty

 

I only run link coupler stuff, but I do have several Lionel and MTH produced Flyer accessories. 

 

Perhaps there's a Flyer accessory not yet re-released that would appeal to both S and O gauge operators and collectors.  A few suggestions:

 

596 Water Tank

586 Wayside station

762 2-in-1 whistle

754 Double Trestle bridge (not sure on clearance for O)

612 Freight and passenger station

593 Signal Tower

50 District school

One of the Minicraft buildings http://www.myflyertrains.org/A...3_catalog_page34.htm

One of the figure sets http://www.myflyertrains.org/A...0_catalog_page42.htm

 

 

 

Brady

YOU COULD GET A BIG SURPRISE!!!! LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT. ONE NEVER KNOWS

Hi Lou,

 

After 24 hours on the facebook poll we have 5 votes for new scale tooling, 1 vote for Postwar reissues, 2 votes of either scale or Postwar, and zero "No thank you" votes.

It was interesting that Brady initially said a flat 'No' to the question and then when pressed to expand came up with a majority list of accessories that are basically pre-war. if we are looking to expand the 'S' line then all of it on the will not persuade me to purchase any of it. It is better suited to the 'O' gauge people and aimed at them specifically. With regards to a Hudson, originals are still reasonably cheap to acquire and there is know way I am going to spend a lot more on a new old original with a simple smoke/choo-choo unit. If Lionel want to consider a new Hudson it will have to be new from the ground up and to semi-scale standards, or perhaps more but not too much that means I will be frightened to pick it up for fear of breaking something off. At this point I believe Lionel should seriously consider selling it with options for scale/hi-rail wheels and more importantly giving us the option for either having it with all the full electronic sounds or not, or even just offering it as a simple engine with the sound system available as an optional kit which can be added by us to install. I believe this would be a much better option to suit many tastes. I think the emphasis for the future should be to produce new items of old and modern outline that compliments the original AF line so that they can be operated together but with the exacting standards/quality demanded for today. A lot of old AF still looks good now and can be fun to run, I have no problems myself to mix and match what I run. Perhaps we are at a cross-roads where we should consider leaving original Flyer in the past to collect and run it for what it represents and enjoy what the future holds. These are just my own thoughts and I know that not everyone will agree with me, but you have asked for people's input and this is mine. Regards, Neil

Neil,

I am in full agreement on what you say.  I don't want the new electronic stuff, and would like it as an option instead of built in.  Pre-war Flyer is nice, but not what I would want.  Speaking only for myself, the Hudson, if done up to present day standards of finish, would be great!  I think it's the standard by which all steamers are judged.  Nature's most perfect steamer, if you will.  If offered WITHOUT all the "sparky stuff", I would buy one in a flash.  The Hudson coupled with (pun intended) classic heavyweight cars, would be a great addition to the Flyer Fleet. 

 

Just my dos centavos worth....

 

Jerry

Lou,

 

I agree with Neil and Jerry. I run mostly post war 50s and 60s locomotives mixed with a few AM and SHS diesels.

 

I'm not interested in any of the electronic features; all I would want is somthing that doesn't talk or smoke, and runs on AC. The new stuff looks great but I'm not going to pay for features I will never use. I'm all for having a basic locomotive with any of the bells and whistles as options. Wow, this is one of those times where my using "bells and whistles" is near literal!

 

A hi-rail Hudson would be great idea. I have always thought Hudsons were the perfect steamer with plenty of pulling power and not as restrictive as a longer Northern. A project in the near future is restoring a basket case Hudson I acquired for very little $$.

 

Thanks,

Rich

 

 

 

A Hudson of any type (i.e, scale or reproduction), especially in a set would be amazing. Thanks for asking for our input. Chris

Lou Any idea when u will know if this project will be a go for the LCCA regardless of what set is made? Ben

Well, I posted the information about potential LCCA S gauge products on the Yahoo S Scale group and got crickets.  It was a long shot anyway.  Beats tar and feathers, though...

 

Haven't seen any mention on S-Trains or Lionel-Flyer Yahoo groups.  I sent an email to Timboy, who owns the Lionel-Flyer Yahoo group, but got no response.

 

Rusty

Rusty,

 

Can you please call me at 248 709-4137

 

Al Kolis

Immediate Past-President

Lionel Collectors Club of America

Tonight, after 6p.m. central time, if that's OK.

 

Rusty

Rusty,

 

Yes that will work.  I do have another conference call at 7 PM CDT tonight.  

 

Al K.

Lou, the poll on Facebook has slowed down a bit but the ratio remains the same as what I posted above. Also, for the record... I am not an LCCA member. Never wanted to be as most of the sets we're nice, but not my cup of tea in O. Now I have O, S, and HO models. If you brought out a new scale tooled S set I would join the LCCA and buy at least one set. I am sure I'm not the only one. So I think you are on the right track towards your goal of increasing membership. Thanks, Jonny<I want an S scale Hudson>speed

Lou,

 

I just want to say thanks!  I'm interested in many of the ideas that have been suggested and appreciate your interest in doing something in S.  I have no problem with joining the LCCA to participate.  I also feel that you are justified in wanting to do something to increase the membership of the LCCA and fail to see how your motivation in doing so compromises anything.

Hi Troy,

 

thanks for your comments.

 

This is the kind of thinking the LCCA is trying to bring to the TRAIN HOBBY.

There is something for everybody at the LCCA, and collectors are always looking for something new and exciting and different.

 

Whether its a Tin Plate set in O gauge or an S gauge set by LIONEL.

 

If nothing else it stirs the blood and gets people thinking.

 

If it is LIONEL then its a part of the LCCA.

 

SAL GAMBINO/GG1GUYY

DIRECTOR LCCA

Lou, Have you polled the LCCA members to understand how many members have more than a passing interest in S and of those how many would actually commit to buying a set? There isn't much point in committing to a production run if you can't get positive response. Regards, Neil

I already have darn near everything Flyer produced and the stuff I do not have I do not desire.  Therefore I am not inclined to purchase reissues of previous train sets.  I like the new, never produced items and have purchased them enthusiastically

I went ahead and joined the LCCA yesterday. Looking forward to an announcement

If something is produced that I find interesting I would join! Ben

Jonny,,

 

Welcome to the club!   Please call me at 248 709-4137.  I invite you to attend our 42nd Annual  Convention in Norfolk VA, july 23-28.   Youwill have a lot of fun.

 

Al Kolis

Immediate Past-President 

Lionel Collectors Club of America

I'm with you on that one...

 

Mark in Oregon

I am intrigued that the LCCA is promoting an 'S' gauge offer which can only be purchased if you are a member. As I have mentioned in another post on this subject, I wonder if the LCCA will partition some of the journal each time to promote 'S' gauge, I some how doubt it, which therefore means the membership only has an advantage to buy something as an 'S' gauger. I believe an earlier post somewhere says that the reason for these promotions is to swell the coffers of the club as it is in needs of funds, that same post I believe also says that it hasn't raised subs for a considerable number of years, What I find bizarre is that if the club has a potential finance issue, why doesn't it just raise the subs?

 

Is there something I have missed or not aware of?

 

Regards,

 

Neil

Maybe now is the time.  I find it quite interesting that when the Northern reissue was announced a few years ago, Flyonel received THREE times the orders estimated.  And the heavyweights have been begging to be done for decades.  If not NYC, perhaps a Wabash "Midnight" like the Lionel release of '95/'96.

Neil,

 

Thank you for expressing your concerns  Sometimes, some things you read or hear about in opinion forums are not necessarily true or accurate.  Everyone has their own biases and opinions, including myself.  

 

The LCCA is not broke and is doing quite well financially.  The  all volunteer Board of Directors has made a significant, conscious, commitment to promote and foster an interest in Lionel trains with local Specal events in cities all around the country.  We are trying to reach out to our members, provide them with greater value and more benefits for belonging to the club.   We are all volunteers who have a passion  for Lionel trains, our club and the hobby.  

 

The money of the LCCA belongs to it's members.   We are investing  the club's money and resources to deliver more benefits to our members.  We are trying to offer our members  desirable product in different market segments in an effort to continually  improve our club.   We have invested to update our  website with improved video capabilities and created new Facebook accounts for both  Regular and Junior Members .  We need to evolve with the times.  Our events and activities are moving so fast, our publication schedules can not keep up  with all of our activities.  Our website improvements are intended to improve communication with our members and guests who visit our site.  it is becoming more and more important to communicate more frequently with our members.  We are not taking away anything from the benefit of  our current publications, The Lion Roars or the Interchsnge Track.  We are adding incremental capabilities in an effort to  add more value for each of our members.  

 

People always talk about bringing younger people into our great hobby.  The LCCA is trying to walk the talk, not just talk.  Our all volunteer leadership team is working hard to do this.  Our website updates , Facebook accounts and our Junior membership program, local special events, great conventions, involvement at WGHOT shows  is all intended to introduce the magic of Lionel trains and the hobby in general to a new generation of people.  We even have a special publication dedicated for our young Junior  Members called The Lion Cub.

 

Working with Lionel,the LCCA has invested and is commited to launching a new Fastrack Modular layout at our upcoming convention.  This is intended to be used at future events to promote Lionel trains and the hobby.  This is just the initial phase to this massive project.  Stay tuned for future announcements.  

 

The LCCA has decided that we need to improve our support and emphasis in the S-gauge market.  As you know, Lionel has  owned and produced American Flyer S-gage trains for several years.  We think it is a natural fit and acknowledge the need to improve our club in this area. We need to be more inclusive of the various and diverse interests of our members.  There is no wrong way to enjoy this hobby, it is a matter of taste and preferences.  

 

This year at our 42nd Annual Convention in Norfolk VA, we are offering two layout tours to Paul  Sharp's facility which features two s-gauge layouts and a massive collection of AC Gilbert American Flyer /modern S-gauge trains, autos, toys, arcade games and neon signs.  OGR's Ed Boyle will also be making a presentation pertaining to S-Gauge trains on Saturday morning, July 28.  

 

President Dennis Devito and The Lion Roars (TLR) editor, Mike Mottler have committed a couple of pages of each future issue to be dedicated to S- Gage topics.  Every article in TLR is an original article (not reprints from other publications) written by a volunteer member.  We are actively seeking members who have an interest and expertise with S-gage trains to contribute articles.  If we have more interest and increased participation, we can dedicate more pages in TLR, resources on our website and more Facebook pages to S-Gauge topics.    If you or someone you know has an interest in writing original S- Gauge related articles,  please contact me at 248 709-4137 or via e-mail at agkolis@comcast.net

 

I want to peronally invite you to join the club, get involved and participate in our family oriented,club.   You will have Fun,   Try it for one year.  If you don't like it, then let us know how to improve it.  Get involved.  This club belongs to our members.  The more you contribute, the more you receive.  Then, if you are not satisfied, then you just don't renew your membership the following year.   Please call me if you want to discuss ths matter further.  I welcome your feedback.

 

Thank you

 

Al K.

 

Al, 

 

Thank you for the excellent reply to my earlier post. I agree with you that when people post information that is not factual, it can be confusing for others like myself to have to take it at face value unless someone else at the time makes a correction.

 

I am glad that the LCCA is on a good financial footing and not in the doldrums as indicated and actually looking to utilise funds to a much wider audience which aligns with the product line that Lionel now offers.

 

It is also encouraging that you are proposing to have a dedicated section to support the 'S' fraternity which can only be good news.

 

Regarding membership, the offer is most welcome but being from over the 'pond' I have had to end my subscription to publications from the US due to the prohibitive postal charges as everything has to come by air now.

 

Regards,

 

Neil

Neil,

 

Thank you for you understanding.  We have several members in the  UK and all over the world.  Anytime you change your mind, we welcome you to join the club.  In the meantime make www.lionelcollectors.org one of your favorite sites.  I encourage you to check out the hundreds of exclusive LCCA videos posted in the video gallery section of our website. Keep scrolling down one page at a time by clicking the see more  icon.  let e know what you think of them.

 

Al K. 

And from th 3-rail side:

 

"Folks,

 

The S Gauge Presentation designed for the Convention has been finished and it looks great, to my unbiased eyes anyway.

 

Will make arrangements to put it on the LCCA website after the convention. Maybe we can get someone to video the Q & A session after we screen the video.  Any volunteers?

 

Anyway, the news is good on the S front for LCCA.

 

Ede Boyle"

This is good news for the LCCA members who are unable to attend the convention and those of us ne're-do-wells (Who? Me???) that aren't members of LCCA.

 

(Seriously, I've received a very friendly invite to join and the shiny things that Lou keeps coming up with are making it harder to resist.)

 

Rusty

Rusty,

 

Try it for a year, you may like it.    What have you got to lose?    A one year membership is less expensive than a evening  out on the town,  and you receive an entire year of train information and fun.

 

 

Go to wwwlionelcollectors.org to join on line.  

 

Call me at 248 709-4137 if you have any questions.  

Al

Neil,

 

Call me at 248 709-4137 if you are interested in joining the club.    We are looking for people such as yourself to establish our s-gauge program.  You have a stake in our success.  I personally ask  that you to use your wonderfully artful wordsmithing to provide a 700 word article on or about S-gauge for our magazine.  Pictures are always a welcome addition.  And while you may have heard otherwise, we train enthusiasts in the US are interested in what other countries do in modeling.  And if you do model in Flyer, our members will be interested in what it takes to collect Flyer in Europe.

 

I am already excited about your article and look forward to seeing it in print.

 

 

Thanks again

 

Al K.

Al,

 

There are two possible articles I can pen together you. One is a conversion I did on a Lionel SF GP20 which I converted so that both original chassis had motors which enabled it to have all eight wheels driven.

 

I actually sent it to Lionel at some point in the 90's to see if they were interested using the idea for future production but they didn't take up the idea and sent it back to me .

 

If this is the sort of thing that may be of interest then I can do something for you.

 

The other article would be on a small range of parts I make and sell through a couple of parts dealers in the US which at the time were badly needed and in fact still needed now by operators.

 

Regards,

 

Neil

I don't want to sound stupid but what is LCCA? Never heard of it and it sounds as though its been here for a few years. Maybe I spend too much time playing with trains.

Ray

 

Neil,

 

Sounds good to me.  You can also share your experiences and about American flyer trains in the UK.  How did you get started?  Do you have an operating layout?  Who influenced you and introduced you to trains etc.   Photos  help too.   You can submit your articles to Mike Mottler at mottlerm@conwaycorp.net or myself at agkolis@comcast.net.  Welcome to our club!

 

 

Al K.

Good Day Lou, 

 

With regards to modern diesel locomotives, the AC6000CW and/or SD90MAC would be fantastic!

 

Regards,

Swafford 

Lou, Any update as to the status of this project with the LCCA? Ben

Yes, i'm hoping for any type of postwar 'S'.

Since the LCCA is working on layout modules for their fastrack system,

I recall Gilbert had a layout system called All Aboard.

These were 17" square layout modules complete with track, builidings Etc.

Hopefully either Lionel or LCCA might consider these for future production?

 

Thanks,

 

Phil 

The All Aboard panels had curves much sharper than the regular Gilbert curves and used the cheap Pikemaster track.  Gilbert had to remove the end steps from the Geep to get it to go around them.

 

You could forget running anything bigger than the 21085 Pacific's around them.

 

http://www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/

 

Rusty

Here's another problem with growing the S market.  While it's true that you can fit more layout into a reasonably large space, it actually takes more room as a starter outfit than 0/027 and even Lionel Fastrack.  Yet the trains are smaller.

That's something very few people seem to notice.

 

However, S on 20" radius still looks much better than "traditional O" on O27 or O31.  And, there's nothing between the two rails other than ties!

 

Rusty

 

I've found switching much easier with S - smaller trains, wider curves and smoother locomotives.   

I'm convinced.  But I do wonder what the starter set(s) will be like.  They could do a Northern freight set for $800, but what about a $200 set?  Is there only the Docksider?

Although I love my All Aboard "Westerner 1200" set, I doubt anyone would want to limit themselves in that way.

Quite the innovative product, though.

All Aboard was a unique concept, sort of a forebearer of today's modular railroads.  However, I've seen larger All Aboard displays at an S-Fest or two and it gets quite repetetive.  

 

The integrated track/roadbed systems like S-Trax and FasTrak are much more flexible for temporary (even pemanent) layouts.

 

Rusty

The Target Audience for All Aboard wasn't model railroaders, it was the 10-year-old and his parents looking for a easy to set up Christmas layout.  S-Trax is very nice, but quite pricey.  Lionel asked them to do a version for Flyer, but SHS couldn't do it for Lionel's price.  Fastrack must be a lot cheaper to make.

S-Trax calculated out to just over a buck a section more vs. FasTrack. (10" straight)

 

FasTrack lacks the embedded removable tie strip, weathered rail and painting of the "ballast" that S-Trax has.

 

A comparison of the two is located here:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/d...ent/4245430050739874

 

Modifying FasTrack to join with S-Trax is located here:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/d...ent/4527055137442588

 

Rusty

Thanks for the link.  Quite useful.