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I'm looking at buying two small lights to illuminate the insides of each of my two mountain cabin structures on my Super-O layout. Because of the relatively small and inclosed spaces, I'm thinking that LED lighting might be the way to go. When I contacted a seller on an auction website to confirm that I can run both of his LEDs (with resistors of course) to my old ZW transformer, he replied that yes; it's possible to connect them both to either the B/U or the C/U binding posts set at 12v, but he doesn't recommend it. Due to the fact that the ZW puts out AC, he is telling me that I need to buy a dedicated DC transformer to operate LED lights, or else I will have flickering 60 times per second with my ZW transformer.

 

What say all of you? Does anyone run LED lighting off of their Lionel ZW transformer? I want to keep this as streamlined as possible and I would really prefer to stick with just my ZW. Will 60 flicks per second really be noticeable anyhow, and more importantly, would I be putting my ZW at risk somehow?

 

Am curious to know your opinions; thanks.

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You will need to add a bridge rectifier to your circuit to the LED. This will convert the AC power from the transformer to DC. You mentioned the LEDs come with dropping resistors so all you will need is the bridge rectifier.

 

Some one out there can point you in the right direction on which one.

There are several electronic parts companies that have them.

Many years ago I would get them from Radio Shack but I think there electronics days are far gone!

 

First off, you won't see the flickering, and if it's a problem after you put in the rectifier, you can just use an electrolytic cap to smooth the DC.  You'll want to set the handles down to about 8-9 volts AC with the bridge rectifier, as the DC output will be around 1.4 times the AC RMS value.  Also, with a bridge rectifier, you'll have 120hz pulsating DC, as both sides of the waveform are passed by the bridge.

 

Digikey is my go-to place for cheap electronics.  They are cheap, have tons of stuff, and shipping for small orders is only a couple of bucks.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Vinny26:

I don't understand this LED stuff.   I wanted to replace the headlight bulbs in my Alco from 1993.  My LHS gave me a package of small LEDs and told me to just wire them into the existing circuit that supplies power for the bayonet type bulb.   It worked fine.  I didn't do anything else.  Am I missing something here?

You're missing a lot, but you may have an acceptable substitution of which the LHS knew the details.

The LED is a DC (polarity sensitive) device so will indeed "flash" on and off 60 times per second as the AC voltage alternates polarity at that rate.  I used to be able to sense this flickering when I was younger but it doesn't bother me now as my brain has slowed. 

 

Another option is to place two LEDs inside each cabin wired as shown below.  In this back-to-back configuration, one LED turns on during the positive half of the AC and the other turns on during the negative half.  If the two LEDs are placed inside a cabin close together, you won't be able to tell there's 2.  The combined LEDs will "flash" at 120 times per second which I'm pretty sure no one can sense.

 

ogr back-to-back LED resistor 

Without getting bogged down in technical details, this method also provides the LEDs with so-called "reverse voltage" protection which your eBay guy might have mentioned as another reason for going with a DC supply.

 

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