Can someone please post a picture of the Demo units?
Thanks,
Ed
Here you go, courtesy of American Rails .com
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Matt Makens posted:Mill City posted:Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!
Jon, that's a little straight forward don't you think
Cute.
Note to self: Log out before Matt comes over.
I should've posted on Elliot's layout post about how much you miss him
Matt Makens posted:I should've posted on Elliot's layout post about how much you miss him
Or maybe you are trying to start a bromance with Scott
While some of you are bromancing I think I'll pass on the F7s. Bessemer set ABBA will cost over $2400.00 and most likely be a disappointment like their SD9s. Missing steps, wrong snow cone looking bell and cab doors not painted. I'll wait for Atlas.
Matt Makens posted:War Bonnet F7s pulled the El Capitan
Hi Matt,
Didn't F3s also pull the El Cap?? I have an F3 ABBBA from Lionel (powered A & 2 powered B) I'm hoping that should do the trick.. please don't tell me I have to now buy F7s to be accurate!!
Thanks for the info...
By the time the El Cap was built F7s pulled it. Sorry?
Bessemer643 posted:While some of you are bromancing I think I'll pass on the F7s. Bessemer set ABBA will cost over $2400.00 and most likely be a disappointment like their SD9s. Missing steps, wrong snow cone looking bell and cab doors not painted. I'll wait for Atlas.
No manufacturer has yet to produce a perfect locomotive and as much as I wish they would for what they charge, it will never happen. As a result, I'll take a single motor drive over a twin motor drive any day of the week. Possibly the only exception would be an articulated steam engine.
Opinion.
I have photos of the El Cap being pulled by Alco PAs so anything is possible plus in the off season you never know what motive power you might see
Matt Makens posted:I have photos of the El Cap being pulled by Alco PAs so anything is possible plus in the off season you never know what motive power you might see
That's true but, didn't the El Cap come into service AFTER the very early FT/F3 War Bonnet units were removed from passenger service?
I'm not sure, a quick look at Wikipedia gives the indication that they did use the F3s but we all know how credible Wikipedia can be. I think my dad has a bunch of Santa Fe books it's that info so I'll have to see. I'm scanning his California pictures from 1967 right now and I'm only SP territory in northern CA with a boat load of Alco shots and diesel hydraulics. When I get to the LA area I'll have many more SF pics and if I see any F3s I'll let you know
Ok, so the Hi-Level cars came in 56 and looking at photos of F3's they were still pulling passenger trains in the mid 1960's so my guess would be it might not be out of the realm of possibility that they would use F3s to pull the El cap somewhere along the line. But if F3s didn't have the guts to pull the California Zephyr thru the mountains would they have the guts to pull the El Capitan?
Matt Makens posted:Ok, so the Hi-Level cars came in 56 and looking at photos of F3's they were still pulling passenger trains in the mid 1960's so my guess would be it might not be out of the realm of possibility that they would use F3s to pull the El cap somewhere along the line. But if F3s didn't have the guts to pull the California Zephyr thru the mountains would they have the guts to pull the El Capitan?
I'm guessing the F3's did have the guts to pull the CZ. WP and DWRG bout used them.
Ive got some zephyr books that ill look in to get the facts correct but it was my understanding that the gearing of the F3's wasn't right for the fast acceleration required of the passenger trainor something to that effect but all three railroads did use the F3's on the zephyr.
As far as I'm concerned, it did! 
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Picture worth a thousand words, F3's pulling the El Capitan.
These are great looking models. The NH didn't have any or these F units so I won't be ordering them. I have two sets of 3rd Rail FL9s which were unique to the NH railroad and other North East commuter lines. They are great models. I have the 3 rail version.
I see that all the layout photos of these units are 3-rail. I am wondering if any of the 2-rail guys have layouts and are running these units. It would be fun to see your layout photos.
NH Joe
Matt Makens posted:Ive got some zephyr books that ill look in to get the facts correct but it was my understanding that the gearing of the F3's wasn't right for the fast acceleration required of the passenger trainor something to that effect but all three railroads did use the F3's on the zephyr.
Matt,
All three railroads, i.e. the CB&Q, the D&RGW, and the WP originally planned for, and each ordered, EMD F3 units to be "Run Through" power for the CZ. Once the CB&Q discovered that neither of the other two railroads would be "Running Through" their sets of F3 units, the CB&Q quickly ordered E7A units from EMD. As soon as the CB&Q received their new E7A units, those passenger F3 A-B-A units were replaced on the CZ (well within the very first year of operation), referred and assigned to freight service.
The CB&Q was a much faster railroad than both the D&RGW and WP, plus the CB&Q had no mountain grades to contend with, thus they used the faster "E Units" on pretty much all the various passenger trains.
