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T TrainBubOGR Forum Member
@GG1 4877 posted:

Last I heard it is looking like a February delivery.  Scott has been sending me questions about last minute detail issues so the project should be wrapping up production soon.

Great news !!!  I’ll even give it an extra month as nothing Ever goes according to plan/schedule. I’ve three on order so this info allows me to plan/ budget my own pre-delivery payment schedule so as to have them “paid off” at delivery time !!!!
Cheers !!!

TrainBub

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@TrainBub posted:

Great news !!!  I’ll even give it an extra month as nothing Ever goes according to plan/schedule. I’ve three on order so this info allows me to plan/ budget my own pre-delivery payment schedule so as to have them “paid off” at delivery time !!!!
Cheers !!!

TrainBub

You could be right as shipping take a month PLUS there is the China Holiday for the whole month of January. Bottom Line, Im looking forward to my Torpedo GP7

and GP9s. Its the Quality not the Quantity!

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@TrainBub posted:

Can you share what the final count was for number of different roads?  Somewhere 40-50?  Lots of details to QC for sure !!!!!!!!!!

I don't remember the exact count but it there was a lot of overlap on GP7 vs. GP9.  It was at least 35 plus as I recall though.  The design matrix on this was a bit complex, but not any more so than the SD7/9.  Looking forward to my GP7Ps in CNJ. :-)

FM Former Member
@GG1 4877 posted:

I don't remember the exact count but it there was a lot of overlap on GP7 vs. GP9.  It was at least 35 plus as I recall though.  The design matrix on this was a bit complex, but not any more so than the SD7/9.  Looking forward to my GP7Ps in CNJ. :-)

Jonathan,

Did you guys do the GP9's as the phase 2 only?  I was actually going to send you an Email to ask if the phase 3's with the 48" pantop fans were made or if they would be possible as an option for a  2nd run?  For guys like me who like the NKP, they had 3 different versions of GP9's.  It would be fantastic to get the ph2,  ph2 Passenger / torpedo boat and later ph3 all from the same builder with the same decoder.

Regards

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FM Former Member
@GG1 4877 posted:

How so?  Curious on your thoughts there.  Truth is the factory has the most pull on variations to hold price point and this project is second to the SD7-9 in terms of variations.

Since you asked, here is what confuses me:

             1.)  Falconservice is up above in this thread talking about how there were only 3 engines made for                           GTW in total:

                              They made very limited numbers.  There were only 3 Grand Trunk Western GP9 locos                                           produced. Three numbers. That is an extremely limited edition.

                    I know for a fact that there were at least that many requests for the B&O GP9's in the blue freight                      scheme.  I had 2 on order when it was cancelled and then offered to put an additional 2 units on                        order right before the closing deadline just to help get them made and was simply told "NO".

             2.)   Based on Prrhorseshoecurve's response to my post on ph3 GP9's:

                              I asked Scott M. Re phaseIII GP9 and his answer was a staunch NO WAY! Even if we ask to                                    throw in the GP9 "B"units for UP, PRR, PC, CR.

                    I know of at least 5 guys (myslef included) who reached out about the ph3 version and all got a                          firm no.  I understand this run was apparently ph2 only, but I simply do not understand why                              ph3's cannot even be advertised to see the potential interest.   In addition, I actually held off on                        purchasing the NKP GP7's and ph2 GP9's due to not knowing if the the ph2 torpedo boats and                            ph3 versions for NKP would ever be made.   

All I am saying is it is hard to understand why certain models get advertised, then go into production, while some will not even be considered. I truly cannot understand the deciding factors, but to be 100% honest with you, it seems to me that it comes down to who is the most outspoken on this forum.

Hey, business is business, you guys are free to do what you think is best,  but I'm just telling you:  I went from a potential of having 8 different GP's to order to only getting 2 GP7's and no GP9's at all just as a result of how these decisions get made.   I'll leave you with this:  I still have quite a bit on preorder with Scott and I truly appreciate what you guys do for us in O scale - literally everything I have in B&O is from Sunset.  But I think you guys are missing out on alot of potential sales because of how the decision process gets implemented.

PS.  Those CNJ units are show stoppers BTW!

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@Former Member posted:

Since you asked, here is what confuses me:

             1.)  Falconservice is up above in this thread talking about how there were only 3 engines made for GTW in total:

                              They made very limited numbers.  There were only 3 Grand Trunk Western GP9 locos produced. Three numbers. That is an extremely limited                                  edition.

                    I know for a fact that there were at least that many requests for the B&O GP9's in the blue freight scheme.  I had 2 on order when it was cancelled                        and then offered to put an additional 2 units on order right before the closing deadline just to help get them made and was simply told "NO".

             2.)   Based on Prrhorseshoecurve's response to my post on ph3 GP9's:

                              I asked Scott M. Re phaseIII GP9 and his answer was a staunch NO WAY! Even if we ask to throw in the GP9 "B"units for UP, PRR, PC, CR.

                    I know of at least 5 guys (myslef included) who reached out about the ph3 version and all got a firm no.  I understand this run was apparently                              ph2 only, but I simply do not understand why ph3's cannot even be advertised to see the potential interest.   In addition, I actually held off on                              purchasing the NKP GP7's and ph2 GP9's due to not knowing if the the ph2 torpedo boats and ph3 versions for NKP would ever be made.   

All I am saying is it is hard to understand why certain models get advertised, then go into production, while some will not even be considered. I truly cannot understand the deciding factors, but to be 100% honest with you, it seems to me that it comes down to who is the most outspoken on this forum.

Hey, business is business, you guys are free to do what you think is best,  but I'm just telling you:  I went from a potential of having 8 different GP's to order to only getting 2 GP7's and no GP9's at all just as a result of how these decisions get made.   I'll leave you with this:  I still have quite a bit on preorder with Scott and I truly appreciate what you guys do for us in O scale - literally everything I have in B&O is from Sunset.  But I think you guys are missing out on alot of potential sales because of how the decision process gets implemented.

PS.  Those CNJ units are show stoppers BTW!

I don't get involved in the business side of things often on what roads stay or go.    However, the phase III variation was a no go from the start for the first run because the factory gave so much push back on the the number of variations on this particular model at the price point they were sold at.  When factoring the road specific details alone between GP7s and 9s there were 8 tooling variations on the body.  8 variations on the skirting, 21 horn variations, and 5 light variations all  across 52 different paint schemes.  This doesn't factor in the variations between GP7s and 9s when considering the variations on the same paint schemes between models. 

As more photos come out, I'd say there will be enough interest for a 2nd run.  While nothing can ever be promised there are possibilities to add roads and even perhaps the Phase III variation of the GP9.  I can also say that there were more than 3 GTW units produced.

It is never the goal to slight anyone.  Scott tries the best he can to get as many models out as possible.  Sometimes though it does get overwhelming and this project was one of those projects.   

For the CNJ GP7P I am ecstatic.  This is the only accurate one I have seen in O scale and the flat long hood is a huge difference.  I ordered four.  My CNJ roster is starting to finally round out on power side as these were a mainstay of passenger and freight operations well past CNJ's existence.   

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CXS Troy: I owe you an explanation: At some point in time I had to trim the production down from over 70  to 50 GP7 and GP9 Road Names / Paint Schemes. When I did that I used the criteria anything less than 7 was suspect (expecting them to be 10 or more at the time of freezing reservations) and anything that was the same road for GP7s and 9s, the lesser order should be combined with the greater, only with customers permission.  In the time between then and final production quantities some orders changed due to cancellations, substitutions and that left me with very few GTW orders.  But I had already made my deal with the factory, created the painting and lettering drawings for those 50 and they accepted the smaller quantity for some of these roads in order to keep things moving forward.

This is not how I want to do business, but I am forced to make decisions to rein in a wildly diverse project. As it is, this project exceeded the tipping point that I often refer to. Where the pain of the previous project affects the cost and prices of all future projects. The factory (2 Guys that own it), made it clear that they will not do this again for the same price. Every paint color costs $100 in samples and more to order. Every decal color has to be proven and then sometimes re-ordered 2 or 3 times until they exactly match the paint color. There is no one stop shop for these guys to get this done. There are a variety of ever changing sub contractors and vendors for each project which they need to manage. This one took too long, cost too much and thus we have to pay more going forward, FOREVER.

There are no other builders than these guys that would go though so much trouble to make trains. If I pressure them too hard, they will fold and that will be that.

I have agreed to their reasonable demands and want to make sure they don't have financial difficulties in the process of making these projects. It's very much a two way street.

I do hope you all enjoy these models.

Furthermore: THANK YOU JONATHAN, RICHARD and ALL THE FOLKS THE REACH OUT WITH DATA AND INFORMATION DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS.

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Just for some fun: Here's a picture of our warehouse with the 3R models matched up with invoices. We then go to each one, check again, put the UPS tags on them and slip the invoice in the box. Monday they went out.  When someone calls to say they will be away and to hold their shipment, we have to walk up and down the isles of boxes to find their order. It's very tedious.



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@sdmann posted:

Just for some fun: Here's a picture of our warehouse with the 3R models matched up with invoices. We then go to each one, check again, put the UPS tags on them and slip the invoice in the box. Monday they went out.  When someone calls to say they will be away and to hold their shipment, we have to walk up and down the isles of boxes to find their order. It's very tedious.



Well, I hope not that many “holds”.  But On the good side are a few extra “heart healthy” steps for the day. 👍👍👍

Cheers !!!

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@EMD posted:

Jonathan,

Nice units , Thanks for posting - Was the CNJ Red/White (Liberty) scheme produced

Thanks!  Only the as delivered scheme was produced.  While in CNJ service the GP7P wore 4 paint schemes with the "Red Baron" or "Coast Guard" scheme being applied in 1972.  I like that paint scheme as well.  A little out of era for my 2 rail equipment, but still an attractive scheme.  Not a lot of locomotives got that final scheme.  Some RS3s, 1 SD40, and a handful of the GP7Ps as I recall. 

The produced scheme known as the "Toothpaste" scheme was the longest lasting from 1952 to as late as 1964 on some units.  CNJ simplified the scheme in the early 60's to remove the stripes when units were repainted.  In the mid 60's CNJ adopted B&O colors for most of it's hood units while the cab units were being retired.

superwarp1superwarp1OGR Forum Member
@Ryan Selvius posted:

I hope another run will be in the future. I need some SP geeps and SD-7’s or -9’s. I’m just finally getting back to a position where I can once again spend money on trains. Been stuck on the sidelines for 9 or 10 years and missed out on a lot of cool stuff. Some of it is rather hard to find now.

I wouldn't be surprised, if Scott has enough standby reservations a second run of GP7/9 will be in the offering like the second run of F3

T TrainBubOGR Forum Member
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

If there’s a second run, I’d be nice to see some CB&Q red birds!

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Photographer credit K.B King Jr. Collection: Moss E. Hulsey.

I’d be in for one too !  Right now though,  the “Q” of offerings is pretty long - as are My reservations. And I’d like to see a second run of E5-6s before a run 2 GPs. I bet after giving the GPs a “rest” for awhile, we might eventually see a run 2.
Cheers !!!

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@Former Member posted:


             2.)   Based on Prrhorseshoecurve's response to my post on ph3 GP9's:

                              I asked Scott M. Re phaseIII GP9 and his answer was a staunch NO WAY! Even if we ask to throw in the GP9 "B"units for UP, PRR, PC, CR.

                    I know of at least 5 guys (myslef included) who reached out about the ph3 version and all got a firm no.  I understand this run was apparently                              ph2 only, but I simply do not understand why ph3's cannot even be advertised to see the potential interest.   In addition, I actually held off on                              purchasing the NKP GP7's and ph2 GP9's due to not knowing if the the ph2 torpedo boats and ph3 versions for NKP would ever be made.   

All I am saying is it is hard to understand why certain models get advertised, then go into production, while some will not even be considered. I truly cannot understand the deciding factors, but to be 100% honest with you, it seems to me that it comes down to who is the most outspoken on this forum.

Hey, business is business, you guys are free to do what you think is best,  but I'm just telling you:  I went from a potential of having 8 different GP's to order to only getting 2 GP7's and no GP9's at all just as a result of how these decisions get made.   I'll leave you with this:  I still have quite a bit on preorder with Scott and I truly appreciate what you guys do for us in O scale - literally everything I have in B&O is from Sunset.  But I think you guys are missing out on alot of potential sales because of how the decision process gets implemented.

PS.  Those CNJ units are show stoppers BTW!

I'm now a bit confused, what exactly is a phase III GP9? I would have thought that the N&W versions which have 48" fans (and as shown on 3rdRail's advertisement) would be considered phase III. Yes, there are other things like vents on battery box doors and such.

Steve

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@sdmann posted:

Just for some fun: Here's a picture of our warehouse with the 3R models matched up with invoices. We then go to each one, check again, put the UPS tags on them and slip the invoice in the box. Monday they went out.  When someone calls to say they will be away and to hold their shipment, we have to walk up and down the isles of boxes to find their order. It's very tedious.

Don’t people realize they can have it held at UPS or FedEx?  Sorry you have that extra hassle.

And great job BTW, that model Jonathan posted is beautiful.

I'd rather be ice fishingI'd rather be ice fishingOGR Forum Member
@rplst8 posted:

Don’t people realize they can have it held at UPS or FedEx?  Sorry you have that extra hassle.

And great job BTW, that model Jonathan posted is beautiful.

My UPS  "my choice" wanted approx $5.00 or $10.00 upcharge depending on what option I chose to hold or change delivery place or time.  Not really "my choice"  as far as I can tell.  I took Friday off from work to get locos and they changed the delivery date to today on me...I prefer fed ex as they allow you to divert it and hold  package at a local drug store or dollar store for free.  Just my experience in my area..

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@I'd rather be ice fishing posted:

My UPS  "my choice" wanted approx $5.00 or $10.00 upcharge depending on what option I chose to hold or change delivery place or time.  Not really "my choice"  as far as I can tell.  I took Friday off from work to get locos and they changed the delivery date to today on me...I prefer fed ex as they allow you to divert it and hold  package at a local drug store or dollar store for free.  Just my experience in my area..

Shipping Anything has gotten Really Expensive !!!  They have their ways to 5 & 10 you. I’ve been told that many ups stores are franchise stores.  I guess these “extras” are how they boost income.
A train store that I deal with preferentially uses FedEx. He’ll only use USPS or UPS if necessary - like requested by buyer. Their (FedEx) rates are less expensive. The buyer wins obviously but the seller does too if selling via eBay - the eBay take % nicks shipping as if it’s no different than the shipped item.   I personally have moved to FedEx for shipping.  Has become my personal preference.
Just saying ... Do your own research.  😬
Cheers !!!

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@WinstonB posted:

UPS does charge for holding packages. I believe is a one time charge per year unless you join their premium service. I’m not sure if it kicks in after a certain number of holds. I did have quite a few holds last year and was charged once.

I have never been charged for a hold at the facility, but I have been charged to redirect and hold for pickup at the UPS store.

-Brian

B breezinupOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@WinstonB posted:

UPS does charge for holding packages. I believe is a one time charge per year unless you join their premium service. I’m not sure if it kicks in after a certain number of holds. I did have quite a few holds last year and was charged once.

When I use UPS and have it delivered to my local UPS store, the UPS store charges me $8.00 per package for a "storage" charge.

My GP9 is being delivered to my house, which I didn't think I asked for, but that's that. The shipping notice says signature required, so I'll have to hang around the house all day Friday and watch for the truck, or else the Geep starts making laps on the UPS truck until I happen to catch it.

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@superwarp1 posted:

Is this a thread on 3rdrail geeps or shipping costs/methods?  I'm confused

tootle2

This Golden Book, Tootle, a childhood favorite of mine, explains how distractions will tend to get us off track.

When I was asked to help Dad with a project, chores, repair of my this-and-that, et alia, ...and my mind and/or body would wander off elsewhere for a brief moment..., it was "HEY, TOOTLE!!  Over here!!  Focus!!"

At that age it was always easy to learn lessons about life when it was presented in a choo-choo manner!  After all, I was totally hooked by then...often to distraction.

And here we are, 70+ years later....

Meanwhile, 'back at the ranch'.....I believe the subject is geeps.  Love the pics!  They're all gorgeous!

KD

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@Valpac posted:

Here is a quick photo my my SP GP-9.  The real 5623 doesn’t have the dynamic break (don’t know if it ever did), so I will likely renumber it to something more appropriate.  She’s a beauty none the less.  Sorry for the poor lighting.

-Brian

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There's a lot about 5623 on the net. It was a dual purpose freight/passenger, no dynamic brake but it had torpedo tubes. It was also preserved, restored, and is in use on a tourist railroad.

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Boilermaker1Boilermaker1OGR Forum Member
@rplst8 posted:

Only need to change one digit... https://railpictures.net/photo/584590/

And here's one with the over/under lettering - https://railpictures.net/photo/642150/

Here's another with only a one digit change, and has over/under lettering - https://railpictures.net/photo/642397/

It’s not one digit, it’s one digit, SIX times.
That’s only assuming the numberboards don’t need to be completely redone.

I’m with Mario...why is this a user fix?

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1.  Phase III requires an additional shell mold ($$$$) for the larger radiator fans.

2.  Hold is many times a financial decision as much as who will be where when.  I get many of my things from financial holds that end up being cancellations.

3.  Blame Jonathan/us for the SP passenger units being freight units.  WE, the reviewers, probably screwed up creating the matrix which is supposed to differentiate.  Unless, SP passenger units were one of the variations the builder said no to and so an assumption was made,  by who knows who, to do freight units.  Yeah, that stuff happens and nobody knows it until they are here.  Very frustrating on all sides.

richtrowrichtrowOGR Forum Member

Scott

I'm sincerely happy you guys tried to do my GTW GP9's even though there were not enough orders, but I'm sorry to say they're terrible.
I mean, not even close.
Please know my criticism below is not personal.

Here's a photo of  a RedCaboose model approved by the railroad in the 1990s alongside your model (front)

Black roof? No. Never.
IMG_6363

The artwork for the logo is awful...

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Wrong red and number boards
Reds and Number Boards

Prototype refrences
GTW GP9 #4902 Battle Creek Shops, September 1983GTW GP9 4913 Griffith, IN Feb 76

I'm not angry Scott, just really disappointed.
I'm going to need a refund or a professional re-paint.
let me know what you can do.

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If you google GT GP9s I see black cab roofs on several engines, but who am I to judge.

https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=vn-KxCB0KhU_2M

Probably painted that way  to protect against rust in their later years.  I can't post those pictures here due to IP rules but I put the link up there. The return policy is in your paperwork. There were only 3 made, and I have someone waiting for one to become available. I am sorry your not happy with how we chose to paint them. But I am sure we can find a good home for her.

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I received my L&N GP7 2 Rail Number 400. My only regret is I did not order a 3 Rail version too. This is my first 3rd Rail Locomotive. If it runs as good as it looks I got a winner. I have been collection 2 Rail L&N and Southern rolling stock since 2008. I am planning a small 1 switch shelf layout to enjoy my small 2 Rail collection.

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@sdmann posted:

If you google GT GP9s I see black cab roofs on several engines, but who am I to judge.

https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=vn-KxCB0KhU_2M

Probably painted that way  to protect against rust in their later years.  I can't post those pictures here due to IP rules but I put the link up there. The return policy is in your paperwork. There were only 3 made, and I have someone waiting for one to become available. I am sorry your not happy with how we chose to paint them. But I am sure we can find a good home for her.

Hmmmm,  me thinks he is talking about the lack of the bell on the long hood and the air tanks on the roof.  No????

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@I'd rather be ice fishing posted:

  I am thinking the gp7 is a fantasy scheme?  Can any c&o experts chime in?  I think the gp9 looks good...but the 7 floored me with the dynamic brakes and low number,  a google search did not help me..

C & O definitely had GP7s with dynamic brakes...

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/238488/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/552839/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/626117/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/313654/

The number does seem low though.  Most pictures I’ve seen were 15xx and 57xx - 58xx series.

B breezinupOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@I'd rather be ice fishing posted:

  I am thinking the gp7 is a fantasy scheme?  Can any c&o experts chime in?  I think the gp9 looks good...but the 7 floored me with the dynamic brakes and low number,  a google search did not help me..

The lowest number I see on the C&O GP7 roster is 1503 (of the 114 GP7s they had). Not sure what the no. 246 represents.

BTW, the paint on the left side of the rear of the engine shown in one of your pictures (see below) looks somewhat uneven. Is that just something with the photo?

B breezinupOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@rdunniii posted:

Hmmmm,  me thinks he is talking about the lack of the bell on the long hood and the air tanks on the roof.  No????

No. Me thinks what you thinks is not what he's talking about. Besides the black roof, he specifically mentioned his objections only to the quality of the lettering and to the wrong colored paint on the ends.

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I'd rather be ice fishingI'd rather be ice fishingOGR Forum Member
@breezinup posted:

The lowest number I see on the C&O GP7 roster is 1503 (of the 114 GP7s they had). Not sure what the no. 246 represents.

BTW, the paint on the left side of the rear of the engine shown in one of your pictures (see below) looks somewhat uneven. Is that just something with the photo?

If you mean the steps that is just glare from my bad photos.  the yellow stripes are rather poorly done and not centered where the v starts though..My books don't mention any numbers below 5800 for the gp7. but I wanted to ask as I am not a c&o expert..

I'd rather be ice fishingI'd rather be ice fishingOGR Forum Member
@rplst8 posted:

C & O definitely had GP7s with dynamic brakes...

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/238488/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/552839/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/626117/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/313654/

The number does seem low though.  Most pictures I’ve seen were 15xx and 57xx - 58xx series.

I did know some of the gp7s had dynamic brakes but was disappointed because the model illustrated by sunset did not have them and I wanted it to contrast to the gp9 with dynamic brakes,  that is not the deal breaker that the fantasy number is though..I have emailed Scott.  I just had the idea these all were to be based faithfully to the prototypes,  I'm sure all will be resolved.  

richtrowrichtrowOGR Forum Member

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...1#154730474185648651

I've been a member of the GTW Historical Society and worked with Atlas, MTH, Weaver, and Lionel on GTW models in the past.
The standard GTW locomotive paint specs. are blue car body with red ends.
They got rusty and dirty alright, (like the one below) but the roofs weren't painted black.

Grand Trunk GP9 #4921 in Battle Creek MI on 6:21:80

Fresh paint. Blue roof.
GTW GP9 4913 Griffith, IN Feb 76
I didn't see any black roofs in the posted google search link.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, I'm really not.
I just don't want any other manufacturers who may be viewing this or see the 3rd rail model that black roofs were correct.

I'll stop my foaming now... 🤣
I was just really looking forward to having a GTW GP9 from 3rd Rail

Thanks for the no-hassle refund Scott.
I appreciate it.


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rplst8rplst8OGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@sdmann posted:

If you google GT GP9s I see black cab roofs on several engines, but who am I to judge.

https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=vn-KxCB0KhU_2M

Probably painted that way  to protect against rust in their later years.  I can't post those pictures here due to IP rules but I put the link up there. The return policy is in your paperwork. There were only 3 made, and I have someone waiting for one to become available. I am sorry your not happy with how we chose to paint them. But I am sure we can find a good home for her.

Some also did have the more squared off and taller “GT”

https://images.app.goo.gl/mRGhAFfi9w9vaBtw6

And white on black number boards

https://images.app.goo.gl/ScrVYLp9zXJptE1N7

https://images.app.goo.gl/8nnWDyJKKd7anxs2A

BigJohn&theWorkBigJohn&theWorkOGR Forum Member

Gotta love when all the “experts” want to throw in their 10 cents after the models show up!

Scott does his best and is in a whole different realm of accuracy and customer service than anybody else in O scale. 50 some odd variations with countless era and road specific details! Cut the guy some slack. If your not happy, he will take care of things one way or another!

And if your REALLY not happy, then have fun waiting till 2031 when the next Atlas engines are scheduled to show up

BrukBrukOGR Forum Member
@BigJohn&theWork posted:

Gotta love when all the “experts” want to throw in their 10 cents after the models show up!

Scott does his best and is in a whole different realm of accuracy and customer service than anybody else in O scale. 50 some odd variations with countless era and road specific details! Cut the guy some slack. If your not happy, he will take care of things one way or another!

And if your REALLY not happy, then have fun waiting till 2031 when the next Atlas engines are scheduled to show up

Or pay someone to paint it the way you want it and not hope the manufacture does it right.

richtrowrichtrowOGR Forum Member
@rplst8 posted:

Some also did have the more squared off and taller “GT”

https://images.app.goo.gl/mRGhAFfi9w9vaBtw6

And white on black number boards

https://images.app.goo.gl/ScrVYLp9zXJptE1N7

https://images.app.goo.gl/8nnWDyJKKd7anxs2A

The logos were standardized with only two variations. None looked like the one on this model.
The 1960's era Black & Red scheme used black number boards with white letters.
All post-1973 GTW units in the Blue & Red scheme had white number boards.
The GP38 you linked to with black number boards was a repair job by the Illinois Central shops in Homewood.
This unit was repaired after the GTW was taken over by CN.

B breezinupOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@falconservice posted:

The red color is how the bright orange-red looks in shadows.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/12917809265/

Andrew

It may be possible to find a rare photo that appears to show that, but this really has no bearing on, and is not an excuse for, the fact that the cherry red paint used on the ends of the 3rd Rail model is nowhere close to the prototypical color used by the GTW.

That said, as everyone knows, there are a lot of moving parts in this manufacturing method, working with a Far East manufacturer doing numerous different models with different paint schemes, as Scott has mentioned, and sometimes unplanned "stuff" happens. Goes with the territory, both for the company selling the engine, and, it's apparent, for the customer buying it.  At some point, an undertaking can become too large for the particular manufacturing method to handle, and mistakes may get made. When that threshold is reached in this type of production, I don't know, but maybe it was.

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