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I have liked the looks of this engine since I saw a preview photo in south station on the way to York one year. I know the chances of any of the big guys ponying up the money for new tooling is a long shot but if I had to guess Williams by Bachmann might be the best shot. Bachmann does produce different models in different scales. The ACS-64 is coming out in HO In the Bachmann line so maybe there’s hope!   Anyone else?

 

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I have proposed this model in O scale/gauge in several OGR Forum threads and would buy two or three. I believe it would have high sales in multiple production runs. Not clear to me why it hasn't already been produced in O... The ACS-64s travel through the most densely populated area of the US. Many people have seen and ridden behind them.

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I always thought MTH was in the right spot to make this because the ACS64 is a modified Eurosprinter, which would enable them to use the tooling to make a loco for the Euro-line as well as the Amtrak version. There being at least 5 paint jobs (The Siemens "billboard" with Amtrak logos on the cabs (602), the American flag (600, 601), the standard big "Wave" logo in the center, 642 Veterans and Septa) that I can think of, it seems like this should happen. 

rrvics posted:

NJ Transit has these engines.  I would definitely want a NJ Transit. 

Good evening sir:

With respect, NJT does not have ACS64s.  I believe you are seeing the ALP46s, which MTH has done.  The current run is slated for delivery next month, in hi-rail and scale wheels, if you have money to burn.

https://mthtrains.com/20-5701-1

MTH used the tooling for the European TRAXX F140 AC2 locomotives, which is essentially what the ALP46 is.  With regard to the automatic pantographs, I agree with Chris above.  It is a neat idea and looks very appealing, but the mechanism is poorly designed and is not reliable for operation under catenary.

I hope Lionel will do it, and with Lion Chief Plus Bluetooth. It could thus be part of a "starter" set to capture some of those kids who ride behind it. As they have shown with the SD60M, Lion Chief Pus with Bluetooth can also appeal to us older folks.

I plan to take my SD60M to the Timonium Fair Grounds show this weekend, Saturday Feb. 3,  9-5, and Sunday, Feb.4,  10-4.

 

I am pretty sure that leasing the drawings from Siemens are wicked expensive, and since there are only so many liveries you can do with the sprinter, the variety of road names is literally limited to Amtrak, somewhat house colors, and septa. I am satisfied kato and Bachmann were able to successfully pull off the sprinter, as that possibly sheds light to the o gauge market. I am not expecting this model in O gauge, because like what some other posts say, licensing and leasing can get to be quite complicated.

Pantenary posted:
rrvics posted:

NJ Transit has these engines.  I would definitely want a NJ Transit. 

Good evening sir:

With respect, NJT does not have ACS64s.  I believe you are seeing the ALP46s, which MTH has done.  The current run is slated for delivery next month, in hi-rail and scale wheels, if you have money to burn.

https://mthtrains.com/20-5701-1

MTH used the tooling for the European TRAXX F140 AC2 locomotives, which is essentially what the ALP46 is.  With regard to the automatic pantographs, I agree with Chris above.  It is a neat idea and looks very appealing, but the mechanism is poorly designed and is not reliable for operation under catenary.

You are correct. The NJ Transit engine I was trying to refer to is the ALP-45DP, which is a dual powered diesel/electric engine allowing the engine to switch from diesel power to electric for a one way ride to Penn Station in NYC without changing trains at Newark Penn Station. 

Chris Lonero posted:

I have liked the looks of this engine since I saw a preview photo in south station on the way to York one year. I know the chances of any of the big guys ponying up the money for new tooling is a long shot but if I had to guess Williams by Bachmann might be the best shot. Bachmann does produce different models in different scales. The ACS-64 is coming out in HO In the Bachmann line so maybe there’s hope!   Anyone else?

 

 

Chris, I wish you luck, that has to be one of the most unattractive pieces of equipment ever designed.  If you can get enough interest from Amtrak and electric fans I'm sure one of the manufacturers would make it. Still...  

 

MELGAR posted:

I have proposed this model in O scale/gauge in several OGR Forum threads and would buy two or three. I believe it would have high sales in multiple production runs. Not clear to me why it hasn't already been produced in O... The ACS-64s travel through the most densely populated area of the US. Many people have seen and ridden behind them.

MELGAR

Well..... !! Let me give this a shot. (tongue and cheek now!)

One company might try and make this. If they do, they'll have to....

get the colors right. (purple box)

get the wiring and electronics right out of the box. (orange box) 

actually deliver the thing. (Hmmm, you know who I mean here right?) 

it would have to run on 2 rail also for sales? ( that one is for me) 

it would have to run on everyone's layouts including .0006 curves.  (the majority of the OGR)

So did all the people posting here also buy any of the latest releases even in Amtrak or other passenger stuff. I'm saying actually put the money where their voice was?

 OK, all that was for laughs only. I bet you'd sell maybe 50 to 100 units?? That wouldn't break even just on the new box's artwork costs.

I do wish you guys luck and there's always new stuff coming so you may get what you want. I think the market is saturated and interests are shifting to high volume, maybe HO stuff mainly.

MELGAR posted:

I have proposed this model in O scale/gauge in several OGR Forum threads and would buy two or three. I believe it would have high sales in multiple production runs. Not clear to me why it hasn't already been produced in O... The ACS-64s travel through the most densely populated area of the US. Many people have seen and ridden behind them.

MELGAR

 

It's clear to me.....

ONE RR

TWO paint Schemes

Limited geographicly to Northeast Unied States.

Look at Lionel and whay happened to the HH8!

Should SEPTA, NJ Transit, and MARC obtain this model then it's time to tool up!

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Mth could make this in scale with a mold with multi piece sections. Then they could make in the toy like Railking version. They would make sets also with the Railking amfleets. I think these ACS64 will be used for a long time I think Bachmann did it right by producing these. I think they should make a low budget version with no sound. When I hear these go buy also you hear is a rumble when it goes by and a horn. Its electric so its not going to make much of a sound. It only stops at  so many stations so you wont't always hear other sounds.

This will sell, and continue to sell into the decade ahead.  Lionel made an HHP-8, a much less popular or successful locomotive.  I bought the HHP-8, both versions.  No idea why Lionel failed to produce a MARC Rail version and maximize the production?

My point is that "one of" type locos like the AEM7 and HHP8 have been made and sold.  This one would be more popular.  They need to duplicate the lighting affects as an added draw.

 

prrhorseshoecurve posted:
MELGAR posted:

I have proposed this model in O scale/gauge in several OGR Forum threads and would buy two or three. I believe it would have high sales in multiple production runs. Not clear to me why it hasn't already been produced in O... The ACS-64s travel through the most densely populated area of the US. Many people have seen and ridden behind them.

MELGAR

 

It's clear to me.....

ONE RR

TWO paint Schemes

Limited geographicly to Northeast Unied States.

Look at Lionel and whay happened to the HH8!

Should SEPTA, NJ Transit, and MARC obtain this model then it's time to tool up!

Septa bought them. They have taken delivery of a few. 

There are 5 Amtrak paint Schemes. 

600, 601 and 602 were all delivered with different schemes, then the standard scheme, and 642 Veterans. 

Now plus Septa. 

Marc has gone all diesel, I believe, and NJT has gone for the ALP46 and the dual mode units. 

 

The way to look at it is to slide tool this so you can make a Eurosprinter and ACS64 with the same base tooling.

bigtruckpete posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:
Matt Makens posted:

MTH won’t do it

Youre not kidding!!!  

Why not? Who told you guys? 

Im prepared to do a sit in at Trainfest this fall at their booth until they comply!! 🤪

Their trend has not been to add new tooling.  MTH wont even paint the rest of the 1970s autotrain consist that they started with the car carriers on existing models.  I am moving to custom painting rather than wait 48 years for MTH to make something.  

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What other locomotive that has not yet been made in O gauge do you think would attract more buyers? None,
in my opinion.

MELGAR

Well Lets see we have the:

Siemans Charger: Demo,

Amtrak 

Washington State DOT

Cal Trans:

MARC

Coaster:

Bright Line[ Abeit a different Nose cone]

 

Then there is the GE B23-7

Conrail, ATSF, L&N, MP, P&W, SCL, CSX, SOU, SP, UP, NS, BNSF, AOK, etc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_B23-7

EMD GP40-2 PhII & PhIII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_GP40-2

And the MPI MPx express MP32/36/40

Marc, Metra, Boston T, GO transit, Rail Runner, Caltrans, etc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPI_MPXpress

 

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PRRMP54 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

 Lionel made an HHP-8, a much less popular or successful locomotive.  

I bought that set, the HHP-8 lasted just about an hour and a half. A friend who worked for Amtrak said that Lionel got that right; the real ones were not too reliable. Note that it was quite a few years after I bought it that I started to run it.

The first HHP-8 by Lionel was horrible. I returned mine after much ado.  Mike Reagan sold me a second version with TMCC and upgraded motors while I was at a Canfield Lionel openhouse.  That loco has been great.  I wish I had a MARC Rail version

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