Calling All Lionel Pocahantas Owners - PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

I don't own one, this is not my video. This is video of the "separate sale" legacy J and it sure seems to show what you describe. Pausing the video at :20 its fairly obvious. At 1:36 it looks even worse.

 

You mean pause the video at 0:20 don't you?

Yep, correction made.

Wow...It does not appear to line up correctly.

Looks like all you guys who've complained about Lionel's 18" passenger car  "windows" now have something else to focus on.  

 

FWIW, this has been "mismatched" for quite some time now.  It was like this on the TMCC version of 611J.  And not surprisingly also on the Legacy 612J, which was produced at the same time as the Legacy 611J that's packaged in the Pocahontas Set.

 

Can't say it ever really bothered me... But then neither did "the windows".  

 

David

That's the exact video that shows it up close. I just looked at my 606 tender and it sure looks like they painted the stripe too high on this tender. 

 

Anyone have a photo?

Here is a screenshot from another video posted on youtube.

 

My wife and I have words for things that happen like this ....."Can't have anything nice!"

N&W 1218,

             Nice youtube channel you've earned your 101st subscriber, keep up the good work! How's Legacy Station's prices? I live up in Mass so Charles Ro is the major train store. I also dealt with Gyrzyboski last week and bought some more diesel engines.

 

As for the Pocohantes, I don't have the set, but it's one of my favorites along with the ESE and Commodore Vanderbilt!

My youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channe...4ivkEenZvSWXHOZpQWdg

Looks like I'll have to ship my tender to Spencer, NC and have them paint the stripe in the right location when they stripe the prototype! How would that be for a color match to the Queen of the Fleet! May as well send the engine shell too!

Brian has treated me very well! I ordered this set when it first came out and prepaid 10% down. A year later I got tired of waiting and cancelled my order. Brian refunded my deposit. He also promised to call me when he got the set to check and see if I still might want it. I got a call 2 weeks ago. I declined. After watching the videos on YouTube and hearing the sounds, I called him Tuesday and he shipped it right out. He could have sold the set to me for a higher price but he held to the prepay amount. I'm very happy! Sure glad I didn't see the high stripe before I bought it. Can't say what I would have done. I own 2 606 engines w/ tenders. If it will work, I may swap one of the shells. 

Looking at the above poor examples, there appears to me that a couple of things are going on. The stripe may be too high and the loco may be too low.

 

In this picture it looks like the top of the cab isn't as high as it should be.

 

 

Thanks Big Jim!  My set is stuck in the south with the winter storm. Might get it sometime next week!

Here is my 606. Not bad, but, a little off.

 

 

Along with the plan (previous post) showing how the top of the cab should be higher than the top of the tender, judging by the line of the bottom of the cab compared to the stoker motor, it looks like the rear of the cab is too low and could use some raising.

 

 

Any mis-match is harder to see from this angle. Note the correct roll-top tender for the 606. ( Bug-eye class lights waiting to be replaced)   

 

 

How do any of the various MTH Premier N&W J Class models compare?

I saw a couple of photos of MTH J's -- can't recall where I saw them though -- and things match up noticeably better , if not perfectly, compared to the Lionel models.

 

David

I received this Lionel 612 engine as a separate in April of 2014 from Charlie Ro and sent it back, hoping that the passenger set with engine would be improved. I have not received the pre-ordered set from Charlie yet.

WOW, I do not know if my stripes match, however, I will soon. I get mine next week, weather permitting.  If there is a height difference, has anyone found a really nifty fix for it??? This should be a really nice Legacy Locomotive. Happy Railroading

The MTH 20-3313 appears to be "on the money".

 

 The last TMCC class J Lionel 6-38095 seems to be off as much as the new legacy version.

 

 

 

Lionel did get the "warhorse" striping correct though

 

Big Jim is correct. Front of the tender is higher than the top of the cab. It looks to me as if the stripes would be about even if the cab was the correct height.

 

If someone comes up with a fix, please post it

 

Thanks

Yes, by all means post a cure for this uneven stripe so that we can make it even. Thanks....I like the pictures posted, and really, the stripe is not a big concern. Happy Railroading

Has anyone who has the Legacy Pocahontas Set contacted Lionel? If so what was the response or fix? Also note that the engine does not have the spoke type wheels on the pilot as shown in the 2012 catalog.

I'm very doubtful we'll see a "fix" -- especially since the stripe mismatch has existed now for several Lionel scale J's.  Although I agree it would look much better with the stripe on the loco and tender aligned correctly.

 

Like with the recent California Zephyr being delayed for so long, I think Lionel was just glad to get the Pocahontas set finally out the door -- the difference here being the quality of the aluminum passenger cars seems to be similar to Lionel's production runs of 7-10 years ago.

 

David

Maybe a washer (over the screws) between the rear frame and the body at the rear of the loco.

Oh yeah the rear of the engine is definitely drooping down...and the tender stripe is too high.  I agree with Jim either a washer or a stiffer spring to raise it up would work most likely.  You can see the correct alignment if you will in this photo...

 

 

N&W Class J, do the Restored J Class Engines (611, ect) still run on the rails for ceremonial purposes or are they officially decommissioned and rest in a museum? The fact that the historical engine still exists is really cool! Also, does anyone have an idea why Lionel would misalign the J Class stripe?

Of the original 14 that were built by the N&W only the 611 still exists and currently is under restoration at Spencer (North Carolina) at the North Carolina Transportation Museum.  During her former career in excursion service 1982-1994 she ran many, many excursion all over the NS system, and after her rebuild is complete she will operate in excursion service again on a smaller scale.

 

As for the stripe issue it appears in the photos/video that the cab is sitting low, as for the stripe which may be slightly high...who knows.  But I would first try raising the rear of the engine and seeing how it looks first. 

Since these die cast model are fairly ridged and the drive wheel axles are not sprung, in the process of trying to raise the rear of the engine, one just might be lifting the rear driver set off the rails. Remember that the trailing truck on these model does not support any engine weight, and is pretty much "along for the ride" so to speak. 

Maybe cause there quality control is lacking? I am not a mth fan either 97% of my engines are lionel.. Just the truth .. 

I have seen pictures of my 611, and the stripes on the Locomotive are lower than the tender. Who has a really Great Remedy for straightening this stripe strait? If Lionel has a Cure, maybe they will chime in. It is a Quality Control Issue, hands down....Other than this stripe offset, the Locomotive performs Superb...Its a WOW.....Happy Railroading.

Here's our 611 that is one of the TMCC versions from a few years ago. It has RS5 and this particular one was upgraded to 4 chuffs and improved smoke by Alex M. It's pretty close to even. I had not noticed any difference earlier...

I've posted a poll about the stripe in another thread. 

 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...-611-612-stripe-poll

As I said five posts before:

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Maybe a washer (over the screws) between the rear frame and the body at the rear of the loco.

       
       



That's insane how about they fix it right ...After all it's a 1600 set or a 1100 engine ..I mean really . Am I the only one that's tired of fixing factory defects?

 

 

Baby steps, this is the first legacy loco that hasn't had endless numbers of smoke unit failure posts/threads........yet.

I have the scale #611 J TMCC version from around 2005. To my eyes, the stripes are lined up perfectly.

Here's a shot  with tender uncoupled to draw it closer..

Joe