Hey Pennsylvania Railroad Fans, what locos would you like to see made/ or remade again?

In a word,,,,,,,,,NONE!!!!!

If I may play Stranger in a Strange Land - I'm going to have to cover the ears of all my Hudsons, Niagaras and Mohawks - 

The S-1 (6-4-4-6) in a Pilot version. Possibly the most dramatic steam loco ever built.

The HC1 (2-8-8-0) articulated. Oh my. What a bizarre beast. Looks like it came from Mars along with the T-1 4-4-4-4. In a good way, of course. As the PRR was not fond of articulateds (never understood that; seems to me that the PRR was made for them, and vice-versa; affected by a lot of electrification, I guess), this makes the HC-1 an even more interesting prototype.

I'm open-minded, but I would prefer these by Lionel. TMCC/Legacy and all that.  

My first choice is a K2 (earlier pacific than a K4).   It was very common prior to WWII, not as many as K4s but a couple hundred at least.   

My second choice would be an early Atlantic, such as an E2 or E3.   

The D16 and K5 have been done in brass.    I have an MG D16.   It is a very nice runner, and plenty detailed enough.

The FM H12-44, I think was done by OMI.

Definitely the passenger 6-axle Sharks. The Tuscan versions had quite a few variants in types of striping and lettering.

HC-1 would be terrific!

The K5 and the Q2.  Sure, somebody else has probably made them in high-priced small runs at some time, but I'd like to see them in at least a nominally more affordable form.  Or should that be a separate question?

Sunset / 3 rd Rail did the Q2 and they sell for about $500 or so when available. 

Jim - I am not aware of any maker of the K5 other than scratch built which I know of two of them - one patterned after each of the two prototypes. 

I am seriously interested in the K2 / K3.  With 257 produced, they would complement my K4 fleet nicely.  They are a little early for my modeling era, but I have a stronger interest in those over the K5 of which there were only 2.  Off course I'd like mine in 2 rail and in brass.

Passenger sharks would be also on my list.  Wish I had purchased a Weaver set.  I'd prefer mine in the single stripe Tuscan, but they arrived in DGLE Gold Leaf in 1948, got Tuscan 5 stripe in 1952 and the single stripe starting in 1955-1956. 

E2b and E3c Electrics

The R1 Electric as it regularly got assigned to the Broadway Limited until it was removed from service in 1960.

I would seriously consider an N2.  The K's are interesting as would be a camelback.

Norm

T-1 with port holes.

Are you kidding?    How about an I1s?

To complete my late 40s roster.  Scale sized only:

T-1 prototype, no skirts (as they looked post WWII)

H6b

Q1 (added - without skirts)

N2sa

Baldwin DR 4-4-15 AB (Baby face)

S-1 Duplex, unskirted

T-1 Duplex, unskirted with portholes

Vision Line GG-1 painted in the same colors as the postwar 2360 (solid gold stripe with chocolate bar brown body)

Traditionally sized engines

The turbine (postwar reissues and the protypical paint schemes)

GG-1 in the as delivered paint scheme

Bill

I'd like to see an M1a with the short tender.

Or how about something simple. Wouldn't Lionel's 0-6-0T lettered PENNSYLVANIA be pretty close to PRR's B6sb 0-6-0T shop switcher?

Electrics:
E2C

E3B

Lou N

Steam:  the 2-10-4 J1.  Why I didn't hang on to the one I had is beyond me.

RETINPA posted:

Steam:  the 2-10-4 J1.  Why I didn't hang on to the one I had is beyond me.

This please...

I am not sure what I would like to see, as I am not all familiar with their roster other than S2 Turbine, K4's, M1's, T1's, Texas, and a variety of diesels. It would be very nice to see some of the other versions of the Pacific's as mentioned above, but I suppose tooling would be the issue why we haven't seen those. What is another popular engine that has not been done(or done right or to scale) that would be worthy whether it is electric, diesel or steam?

B1, shrouded P5a, Metroliner, E44. 

Lionel Legacy PRR E-44 

Thank You

PRR ~ U25B

I-1 with the long tender.  Based on ebay prices all the current models must be made out of gold.

I too would like to see another I1 Decapod. Also, a Q1 and an 0-8-0. For electrics, I would like to see a DD1. 

J and you didn't ask about rolling stk but 'queen mary' I would buy now. 

Has anyone ever done a scale length Metroliner in O scale?

I'm not a modern guy but it seems that a manufacturer could get a lot of play value out of a model.   The same basic tooling could be used to make models from the original ill-fated PRR/PC versions up through the final rebuilds of the cab control years.

How many versions were there?  The original self propelled versions, then at least two iterations of the unpowered or cab control cars from original to the last rebuilt versions.

Retinpa posted:

Steam:  the 2-10-4 J1.  Why I didn't hang on to the one I had is beyond me.

yeah... and it's beyond me too!

Steam:

- 3rd Rail E6 (or other Atlantic) - have their conventional one from years ago, the only one that was close to scale, and would like one with the modern electronics

- HC1 2-8-8-0 - want to add to my coupler-busting locomotive collection. Also really the only eastern PRR designed mainline articulated on the roster.

- I1sa 2-10-0 with short tender

- C1 0-8-0 switcher - missed this one when Weaver issued it years ago due to an order screwup

- H3 or other early 2-8-0

Electric:

- DD2

- R1

- The 50's Experimentals (E2b, E3b, E2c)

Diesel:

Passenger Sharks BP20s

  BP 20  Redbirds  

  FM Cliners

I had to look up what an I1 was. I had already seen it and didn't even know!

Another electric  - the B1

(photo sourced from "Trackside At The Big Apple")

I would like to add an H9 or H10 consolidation to the mix.

Norm

Bob,  I thought Koh's or one of the other very High end outfits did a K5.    I must be mistaken.

The I 1 has been done in many runs by MG, USH and Sunset.    I have picked up 2, basically brand new, at very reasonable prices in the last 2 years.    I don't you could sell many if you made another run.    Too many used ones floating around.

The Pennsy N2 wouild be nice, especially the later version after the converted to Belpaire Fireboxes.

The M1as were all built with long tenders.    I have never seen one with a replaced short tender in a photo.    I guess it could happen.     The M1 were originally built with short tenders.   Then a bunch got long tenders on a later rebuild.

As for electronics, just install what ever you want.    You don't need a new loco, just add the whatever control board you happen to like.    For you 3 rail guys, it is not any more complicated than changing out a burned out E-unit in a postwar Lionel.

Absolute #1 for me is the MTH PRR P5a Boxcab electric as the body on mine and other owners is cracking and distorting due to "zinc pest". MTH has informed me that replacement bodies won't be available until it is reproduced. I should live so long!

Eric Hofberg

TCA, LCCA 

Almost all of that (not the E2 or early K-series) is available used.  I doubt that anyone will ever do a Q2 or J1 to compete with Sunset for under two grand, and these two are available used all the time.

I have found that a carefully placed ad (in the magazine with largest circulation) will get things out of the woodwork that are considered extremely rare.

By the way, Mi-Loco did the K5 in 17/64 scale.  Crude by today's standards, but not truly rare.

STEAM: H-10....H-9....H-8        K-2.....K-3

Diesel: GP-9.....GP-7......E-8s.......Alco PAs

I'm seeing a lot of posts for models that have already been done extensively and are readily available in the second hand market.  Is this because of brand loyalty?  Not judging, just curious.

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Kohs did not produce the K5.  They did a K4 in 2007.  I've never seen one in person.  I'm sure it is outstanding, but at my price range the Sunset "High Iron" version is perfectly acceptable.

Engineer-Joe posted:

I had to look up what an I1 was. I had already seen it and didn't even know!

Very nice looking engine. Any idea if it is just a static display or if there are plans to try and restore it? Doesn't look like it is in too bad a shape from the outside.

Strictly a cosmetic restore I read. So it would be for a static display in Hamburg, NY.

"I'm seeing a lot of posts for models that have already been done extensively and are readily available in the second hand market.  Is this because of brand loyalty?  Not judging, just curious."

I had the same thought. A lot of guys aren't loco-nerds like some of us, and just may not keep up. For example, the box cab "Rats" have been offered by Lionel (I have the work train set), MTH and, I think, 3rd Rail.

There may be the "latest electronics modelers" adding to the totals, too. Not relevant for me, though.

Oh, before I go, let me mention the HC-1, again...

My checkbook is armed and dangerous...

Well, at least they should take care of it. Better than it rusting away like some of the steam engines out west. Saw on YouTube the steam engine graveyard, I think it is in Oregon and private property. I am guessing the person that shot the video must work or do something for whatever railroad owns that property. It would be interesting to see if they could get some of them out of there because there are sure to be some gems that would make great models(before they rust away).

Its a mystery to me why Lionel or MTH has not yet made an N2 yet.  Its not like its an odd ball engine.   With so many re-issues and so little new tooling you would think this would be a no-brainer.  It has been suggested many times (at least by me), and think it would be a popular engine.  I would buy one in a heartbeat, especially if it was a Visionline with steam effects (whistle, blowdown), swinging bell, and kinematic tender coupling.  

Rich

Oh yeah, and that goes for the Q1 also!  Awesome engine.

GG1 4877 posted:

I'm seeing a lot of posts for models that have already been done extensively and are readily available in the second hand market.  Is this because of brand loyalty?  Not judging, just curious.

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Kohs did not produce the K5.  They did a K4 in 2007.  I've never seen one in person.  I'm sure it is outstanding, but at my price range the Sunset "High Iron" version is perfectly acceptable.

I guess the problem is that most PRR Steam and diesel has been done already ad nauseum, at least in 3 rail.  

Problem is that many are either incorrectly done (old MG) or lack modern details and "bells and whistles" .

Yep I'd love some accurate 21st century detail PRR steam  - G5's come to mind and short tank I1s.

And as long as PRR steam sells as poorly as the latest 3rd rail L1s Mikes they are just pipe dreams.

Rule292 posted:

I guess the problem is that most PRR Steam and diesel has been done already ad nauseum, at least in 3 rail.  

Problem is that many are either incorrectly done (old MG) or lack modern details and "bells and whistles" .

Yep I'd love some accurate 21st century detail PRR steam  - G5's come to mind and short tank I1s.

And as long as PRR steam sells as poorly as the latest 3rd rail L1s Mikes they are just pipe dreams.

I totally agree on the accuracy statement and the huge amount of 3 Rail PRR locomotives that are available. 

I also agree some more accurate models would be welcome.  The G5 would be great and an updated E6 would be wonderful as well.  I model commuter operations for PRR, so the freight locos don't interest me quite as much although I have a Sunset J1 for some reason (I guess to pull 100 P70's or something). 

Sadly, I don't see the interest in truly fine scale steam locomotives as much as I used to on this forum outside of the 2 rail world.  Not trying to start a flame war, but the L1s was a great example.  An exquisite model that didn't generate the numbers anyone had hoped for.  It seems the control system and the bells and whistles outweigh the fidelity of the model.  Just my opinion of course.  I still live in the world of, "If it isn't mostly correct, it doesn't matter what's under the hood."

GG1 4877 posted:

Sadly, I don't see the interest in truly fine scale steam locomotives as much as I used to on this forum outside of the 2 rail world.  Not trying to start a flame war, but the L1s was a great example.  An exquisite model that didn't generate the numbers anyone had hoped for.  It seems the control system and the bells and whistles outweigh the fidelity of the model.  Just my opinion of course.  I still live in the world of, "If it isn't mostly correct, it doesn't matter what's under the hood."

I'm a huge Pennsy fan and run nothing but PRR (mostly steam) on my layout.  I did not buy a new 3rd Rail L1s.  Here's why.

The problem with "truly fine scale" steam locomotives is that the siderods are very thin (fine scale) and with heavy layout use they will wear out, even when lubricated regularly.  I have some 3rd Rail 2-10-0 decapods that have developed worn and sloppy siderods after 12 years of use.  My Weaver L1s 2-8-2's and H10s 2-8-0's have much thicker siderods and have had no such problems.  I'm sure the 3rd Rail L1s is a great model, but the Weaver L1s is a good model that is also durable.  Plus they are readily available on the secondary market.

I haven't asked, but I'm pretty sure Scott doesn't have any extra siderod sets for a locomotive made in 1995.

"I model commuter operations for PRR, so the freight locos don't interest me quite as much although I have a Sunset J1 for some reason (I guess to pull 100 P70's or something). "

Well, the PRR J-1 is a truly handsome loco. I have a Lionel and a 3rd Rail version. Unfortunately I have not gotten around to fiddling with its suspension to allow it to go through O72 curves.

Here is a list I would like to see:

T1, Q2, I1 (2-10-0), N1 (2-10-2), H10 (2-8-0), Atlantic, 2-8-2 with Belpaire firebox.  I am sure there is more.

PRR 2-10-2 N Class

K-5 Pacific

K-28 or K-29 Pacific

K-4 1737 as built in 1914

R-1 Electric

DD-2 Electric

I know it's not Pennsy but Baldwin Locomotive Works #60,000

Whoever does the the GP9, as suggested by Mr. Shirey, make the GP9b to go along with it.  Pennsy had a few of them in their roster.

Personally, an R1 would would suit me, or a late P5a

Bruce

The N2

Richard 

rex desilets posted:

"I model commuter operations for PRR, so the freight locos don't interest me quite as much although I have a Sunset J1 for some reason (I guess to pull 100 P70's or something). "

Well, the PRR J-1 is a truly handsome loco. I have a Lionel and a 3rd Rail version. Unfortunately I have not gotten around to fiddling with its suspension to allow it to go through O72 curves.

I agree.  What's not to like about this C&O design after the Pennsy Treatment?

Pennsy K5 it has not been done, and although they only made 2 real ones,  many many Pennsy fans want one.  Hey Scott Mann how about taking some reservations to see if its worth doing.  

Here is your first reservation, Franky-Ogee wants one

Franky-Ogee posted:

Pennsy K5 it has not been done, and although they only made 2 real ones,  many many Pennsy fans want one.  Hey Scott Mann how about taking some reservations to see if its worth doing.  

Here is your first reservation, Franky-Ogee wants one

It was offered a while back.  It would be nice to finally see it built.  Who would be up for the other 98 required to make this a go?  I'd probably be in for one since the chance of a K2 is next to nothing.

GG1 4877 count me in for a PRR K5 from Sunset. Sunsets last K5 offering was offered in poor timing. At that time, both MTH and Lionel just offered the reissue of the K4 Pacific again so no one is interested in a similar looking loco. However NOW is s perfect time since new models lately are far and few between. 

As for the L1, it s been a slow seller because of all the Williams and Weaver brass one out there at a fraction of the Sunset models price. It's unfair to judge sales of a never before o guage model Locomotive to the sales of one that has been done multiple times. The USRA/ PRR N2 would be a big hit not only for PRR fans but for the other roads that had a usra 2-10-2 as well!

The PRR Camelback ad well can be done in multiple road names : PRR, LIRR & Rdg! 

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

GG1 4877 count me in for a PRR K5 from Sunset. Sunsets last K5 offering was offered in poor timing.

97 to go!  Who else is in?

I'm a diesel era PRR and LV two rail guy, so this is definitely a minority opinion:

Here's my PRR "wish list". Mind you, given the state of manufacturing in the Pacific Rim countries today, this is all sheer fantasy...

Atlas: PRR GP-7's and GP-9's with TrainPhone equipment; (Radio antennas have now been done; the latest F7 run had them, so it shouldn't be a hassle)

          Alco S series switchers; with or without TrainPhone, but with the Atlas SW horizontal drive system

          And maybe, if the stars and planets align perfectly, a Baldwin switcher or road switcher.

OK, that was fun; back to the real world.

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Engineer-Joe posted:

I had to look up what an I1 was. I had already seen it and didn't even know!

Very nice looking engine. Any idea if it is just a static display or if there are plans to try and restore it? Doesn't look like it is in too bad a shape from the outside.

http://www.trainweb.org/wnyrhs/4483Frame1Source1.htm

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Engineer-Joe posted:

I had to look up what an I1 was. I had already seen it and didn't even know!

Very nice looking engine. Any idea if it is just a static display or if there are plans to try and restore it? Doesn't look like it is in too bad a shape from the outside.

http://www.trainweb.org/wnyrhs/4483Frame1Source1.htm

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

E1 Camelback

D16 4-4-0 "1223"

E2 4-4-2

I'm for all of the above; yes, the D16 was done by MG years and years ago, and that's the only time it was done and in small numbers, too.

I'd also like to see some of the F class 2-6-0 moguls - only the F3c has ever been done.

I'd also like to see the early H class like a narrow Belpair boiler simple H6 and even the very early H1

Just about any of these would succeed in prying open my wallet and/or checkbook, so I figure my budget is completely safe.

Steamer posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Engineer-Joe posted:

I had to look up what an I1 was. I had already seen it and didn't even know!

Very nice looking engine. Any idea if it is just a static display or if there are plans to try and restore it? Doesn't look like it is in too bad a shape from the outside.

http://www.trainweb.org/wnyrhs/4483Frame1Source1.htm

 

Beautiful. I had to see where it was, that is a haul to get to. May be a good idea to take a train up there.

The two things I would like to see produced is a scale version of the Metroliner and some 1960's era Intermodal equipment that Pennsylvania Railroad would have used.

I too find it interesting that so many want Pennsy engines that have already been built not by just one manufacturer, but by several manufacturers.  Many of these engines are available in the aftermarket and can be upgraded with command if desired.  If an engine you really want has the wrong command system, gut it and put in the system you want.  Here is a look at the Pennsy steam engines that have been made.  I'm sure I missed some.

MTH and 3rd Rail have produced I1, Q2, G5, and T1 Prototype (as built) engines.  Lionel and 3rd Rail have produced S2 and T1 Production engines.  All three have built A5, B6, E6, H10, L2, J1, K4, K4 Shrouded, L2, M1, HH1 (or Y3), and S1 engines (K-Line also did some of these like the A5, B6, K4 and L2).  3rd Rail has done unique runs of  H6a, Q1 (skirted and unskirted), N1, and T1 Prototype (unskirted).  MTH and Atlas did a B28.  Weaver did a C1, Lionel did a CC2, and MTH did a D16.  Plus I did not count all the Weaver and Williams brass ones of these same engines.

All the MTH and Lionel engines mentioned above will most likely be produced again (except the Lionel T1), so just wait a bit.  Weaver and Williams are gone, so their unique engines such as the K4 Streamlined are gone unless the new tooling owners do a re-issue (this would be great).  It would be nice if 3rd Rail would redo the H6, N1, and Q1, but I don't think they have ever done a second run of steam engines (may be wrong).

As mentioned above, it is unlikely in this economy that the big manufacturers will invest in new tooling unless they know they can sell enough of the engine to make a profit.  This means only an engine design used by more than one road so as to appeal to as many modelers as possible.  For us Pennsy steam fans, that is not good because most of the Pennsy steam engines not yet made were uniquely Pennsy.

From my perspective watching the market for Pennsy engines, I can see only one new engine being produced in the near future.  It is the N2.  This would be new tooling, but it is an USRA design that was used by a few other roads.  I'll add that the K5 is a long shot but it does have a following.

Now, if the economy greatly improves or lots of new blood enters the hobby, things may change. 

FECguy posted:

The two things I would like to see produced is a scale version of the Metroliner and some 1960's era Intermodal equipment that Pennsylvania Railroad would have used.

Hint on Metroliners....order scale Amfleet cars.  A little bird told me.

GG1 4877 posted:

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

What is an F70 FBr?

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Agreed!

Originally posted by Cappilot:

Weaver did a C1, Lionel did a CC2, and MTH did a D16.

Correction on the MTH. MTH did two versions of a D? class ...

one without the Belpaire Firebox and...

and one With a Belpaire firebox. Both do NOT look like a D16 or a D16 sb:

The only scale PRR d class that I am aware of in 3 rail is the Expensive and hard to find SMR D6:

I1 was done by Thirdrail.  M1a/b is Weaver.

L1s Mikado was done by Weaver.  Thirdrail had done the Mikado recently.

A  Weaver C1 Pennsy

Smaller and probably a good runner on most layouts would be the H10, Weaver.

You can find most all picture in older issue.  In most cases, cost of electronics upgrade probably less than a new model.  All pictured were secondary market, electronics upgrades have been done. 

One more. Thirdrail, Pennsy E6.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Originally posted by Cappilot:

Weaver did a C1, Lionel did a CC2, and MTH did a D16.

Correction on the MTH. MTH did two versions of a D? class ...

one without the Belpaire Firebox and... and one With a Belpaire firebox. Both do NOT look like a D16 or a D16sb

Correct and why an actual D16 would be preferred!

And a PRR Yellow Kid passenger train!!!

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

What is an F70 FBr?

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Agreed!

I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it).  It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior.  Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't.  All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement.  This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

How about a redo of 3rd Rail's small commuter coaches.  They sold out quickly when made in brass.  Were these P54's?

I don't remember.  I would get 3 if done again.  I rode in these as a kid here locally.

Norm

Roving Sign posted:

Another electric  - the B1

(photo sourced from "Trackside At The Big Apple")

 

A BEEPONE!

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCA

I believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.  Lionel is now issuing them in 2018!

I'd like to see Lionel make a legacy 44 Tonner in the PRR scheme. Although Williams made an excellent scale model of the PRR 44 tonner and I suppose I could upgrade it with TMCC. That is if it would fit inside.

I have 2 early USH K4s.    They run well and are robust enough for operating sessions.    As you say Jonathon, at my price range they are just fine.    I am not in the Kohs range either.

I agree that most of the requests are for things that have already been done.    The odds of getting them again are not as great.    Even the Box cab has been done well in brass.   

Sunset has done the 44 tonner, NJCB has done it.   Rich Yoder has done multiple versions, There is another brass import also, and MTH has done it.    Why do we need anymore?

Results of research for a presentation I will give next week:

PRR O Scale Steam (2 rail)         

Goodness knows there is an absolute dearth of PRR model railroad offerings. It is high time that the manufacturers get on the stick and start offering motive power and rolling stock options for our friends from Pennsylvania! 

I have a list of Lionel Legacy engines I would love to see produced again or for the first time:

                    T1 4-4-4-4 hopefully the end of their run version.

                    G5  4-6-0 Please don't tell me MTH made it, I am a Lionel guy.

                    Q2 4-4-6-4 Forget the Q1, there was only one of them

                    I10 2-10-0 With the long haul tender and a operating front coupler so it can be used as a pusher

And just for the heck of it. Throw in a Pennsylvania H10. Consolidation.

That is not too much to ask for.

JohnB                  

GG1 4877 posted:

rex desilets posted:

"I model commuter operations for PRR, so the freight locos don't interest me quite as much although I have a Sunset J1 for some reason (I guess to pull 100 P70's or something). "

Well, the PRR J-1 is a truly handsome loco. I have a Lionel and a 3rd Rail version. Unfortunately I have not gotten around to fiddling with its suspension to allow it to go through O72 curves.

I agree.  What's not to like about this C&O design after the Pennsy Treatment?

Got one of them C&O locos, too. Can't resist.

RaritanRiverRailroadFan4 posted:

I'd like to see Lionel make a legacy 44 Tonner in the PRR scheme. Although Williams made an excellent scale model of the PRR 44 tonner and I suppose I could upgrade it with TMCC. That is if it would fit inside.

This Rich Yoder 44 tonner was upgraded to TMCC with ERR components, has sound and electro-couplers.  Tough fit but it can be done.

These have probably been mentioned, but I would be interested in (TMCC of course):

• J1
• I1s - with coast-to-coast tender
• N2
• T1

George

G3750 posted:

These have probably been mentioned, but I would be interested in (TMCC of course):

• J1
• I1s - with coast-to-coast tender
• N2
• T1

George

Funny thing that few in 3 rail want the short tank even though the coast-to-coast tender was not nearly as common on the day to day PRR freights.

Wished I could find me a few 2 rail I1s with the short tank.   Much more common for the PRR grunt work.

I am shocked, shocked to find out that there are PRR locomotives that the manufacturers haven't made.

That HC-1 is a mighty beast, though. I like it.

Now before y'all jump down my throat about it, I am perfectly aware that just about every manufacturer has made a K4s. As they should; it's a beautiful locomotive. It's proportioned properly, the high drivers are quite pleasing to the eye, and as far as models are concerned, they usually can negotiate tighter curves than some of the bigger Pennsy steam, making them much more appealing to guys with smaller layouts. 

That being said, I personally would like to see at least a few of the "upgraded" K4's. For example, K4s #5371, upgraded with Timken roller bearings and lightweight Timken rods.  Other mmodifications on various engines included Scullin disc drivers, poppet valve gear, coast-to-coast tenders (which Lionel recently released, thank you for doing something different) Franklin trailing truck boosters, and "elephant ear" smoke deflectors. 

Modification of existing tooling to produce these upgraded versions realistically would not be that difficult, nor that expensive. I know they can nake modular tooling to allow for prototype-specific details; Lionel did it a few years back on their version of the NYC's streamlined Empire State Express. So why can't somebody do it for the always-popular K4s (to you manufacturers out there, I smell a profit here, guys)?

Anyway, that's my bit. Didn't mean to get on the ol' soapbox.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCA

I believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.

Thank you.

May be off topic, but a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60.  Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made, or is this a fantasy car?  I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.

If the Weaver RPO was based on a real car, then I'd like to see those produced again too.

CAPPilot posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCA

I believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.

Thank you.

May be off topic, but a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60.  Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made, or is this a fantasy car?  I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.

If the Weaver RPO was based on a real car, then I'd like to see those produced again too.

Hi Ron,

The PRR did not have an RPO based on the B60.  PRR's closest equivalent was the M70 RPO based off the P70 cars.  however  Weaver 60' RPO is correct for the most part for the Norfolk and Western. 

CAPPilot posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

What is an F70 FBr?

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Agreed!

I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it).  It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior.  Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't.  All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement.  This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

The P70far (Thanks for the correction Ron) was different that the as built P70 in a few significant ways.

The restooms were all placed at one end of the car and enlarged.  the last set of windows was modified to blank one window and put the porthole window in the opening closest to the vestibules.

The doors at the vestibules had modernized single lite windows.

The equipment layout under the car changed.

The classic 2D-P5 trucks got changed to GSC style C41 streamlined trucks. 

Most received arched tops. 

Those of us who rode P70's in the 60's or 70's and very early 80's in my case probably rode in this variant.

The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede.  And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.

sinclair posted:

The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede.  And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.

Post a wanted ad that you need the Centipede, offer close to original MSRP and I'll bet you'll have one in no time!

a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60.  Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made,
or is this a fantasy car?  I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.

The Weaver B60 is a fantasy. The prr had the M70b which as longer.

GG1 4877 posted:

CAPPilot posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

What is an F70 FBr?

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Agreed!

I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it).  It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior.  Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't.  All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement.  This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

The P70far (Thanks for the correction Ron) was different that the as built P70 in a few significant ways.

The restooms were all placed at one end of the car and enlarged.  the last set of windows was modified to blank one window and put the porthole window in the opening closest to the vestibules.

The doors at the vestibules had modernized single lite windows.

The equipment layout under the car changed.

The classic 2D-P5 trucks got changed to GSC style C41 streamlined trucks. 

Most received arched tops. 

Those of us who rode P70's in the 60's or 70's and very early 80's in my case probably rode in this variant.

 

Jonathan,

The P70faR (modernized) was made by GGD.  You can buy a separate roof for GGD's original P70 to make it into a P70fR (I've done this to two cars).  The P70fbR, as far as I know, has not been made in O gauge.  There are many variants of the P70 and it would be nice if more variants were made.

GG1 4877 posted:

CAPPilot posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCA

I believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.

Thank you.

May be off topic, but a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60.  Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made, or is this a fantasy car?  I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.

If the Weaver RPO was based on a real car, then I'd like to see those produced again too.

Hi Ron,

The PRR did not have an RPO based on the B60.  PRR's closest equivalent was the M70 RPO based off the P70 cars.  however  Weaver 60' RPO is correct for the most part for the Norfolk and Western. 

Jonathan,

Thank you.  I was pretty sure that was a fantasy car.

I guess at this point the only prototype PRR RPO available in O gauge is the GGD BM70.  Checking my books, the GGD RPO looks like a BM70k due to only 3 closely spaced windows per side.  I have several of these GGD models and need to change the car number on most of them since GGD only did two numbers.

So, to add to the list of PRR items I want is a different version of the BM70.  GGD should be able to do a BM70ka with a modification of their current mold.  A BM70m with multiple windows per side would be nice too and looks a lot different than the BM70k.

CAPPilot posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

CAPPilot posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:

F70FBr coaches

What is an F70 FBr?

A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 diner

Agreed!

I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it).  It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior.  Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't.  All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement.  This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.

The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage.  Who has this tooling?

The P70far (Thanks for the correction Ron) was different that the as built P70 in a few significant ways.

The restooms were all placed at one end of the car and enlarged.  the last set of windows was modified to blank one window and put the porthole window in the opening closest to the vestibules.

The doors at the vestibules had modernized single lite windows.

The equipment layout under the car changed.

The classic 2D-P5 trucks got changed to GSC style C41 streamlined trucks. 

Most received arched tops. 

Those of us who rode P70's in the 60's or 70's and very early 80's in my case probably rode in this variant.

 

Jonathan,

The P70faR (modernized) was made by GGD.  You can buy a separate roof for GGD's original P70 to make it into a P70fR (I've done this to two cars).  The P70fbR, as far as I know, has not been made in O gauge.  There are many variants of the P70 and it would be nice if more variants were made.

 

OOPS! I mistyped that.  I meant the P70fbr.  I should know better on the P70far's. I did the master graphics for them! That's what I get for trying to access this forum through my cell phone. 

Above:

Holy ESE, Batman - that's the New York Central 999 Buchanan-design Eight-Wheeler, the Empire State Express record-setter. In Pennsy drag.

MTH, that is upsetting on so many levels.

Bob posted:

sinclair posted:

The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede.  And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.

Post a wanted ad that you need the Centipede, offer close to original MSRP and I'll bet you'll have one in no time!

Nice, Bob!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtwlHV1-O8

George

D500 posted:

Above:

 

Holy ESE, Batman - that's the New York Central 999 Buchanan-design Eight-Wheeler, the Empire State Express record-setter. In Pennsy drag.

MTH, that is upsetting on so many levels.

Agreed.  That is heresy! 

George

Ron,

Sunset Models did an accurate PRR BM70 postal car in brass a couple of years ago and did it in both tuscan and Fleet of Modernism paint schemes. It was available in both 2 and 3 rail.

Not a PRR fan, especially their diesels with their bland colors, but I believe every railroad modeler should own a PRR T1. IMO, a must own American steam locomotive. Its perfect symmetry and contours are unsurpassed by any locomotive before or past.

TM Terry posted:

Not a PRR fan, especially their diesels with their bland colors, but I believe every railroad modeler should own a PRR T1. IMO, a must own American steam locomotive. Its perfect symmetry and contours are unsurpassed by any locomotive before or past.

Well,,,,,,,,I guess that is ONE opinion!

rheil posted:

Ron,

Sunset Models did an accurate PRR BM70 postal car in brass a couple of years ago and did it in both tuscan and Fleet of Modernism paint schemes. It was available in both 2 and 3 rail.

RHEIL,

Thank you!  I knew 3rd Rail did a brass Harriman 70' RPO, similar to GGD's plastic one, but I did not know about the brass BM70.  Did a search and found a 2-rail version (not cheap) and it is a BM70m.  Now if I can find a 3-rail version that would be great.  Probably will wipe out the rest of my 2017 train budget but you only live once.

Still would like to see some more BM70 cars made.  ADDED:  I want them as separate sale items, not as part of a set with another combine (maybe with just the baggage).  Hopefully Scott reads this.

CAPPilot posted

Still would like to see some more BM70 cars made.  ADDED:  I want them as separate sale items, not as part of a set with another combine (maybe with just the baggage).  Hopefully Scott reads this.

Ron,

The Sunset BM70 was a separate sale item. As I recall it listed for $400 .

Scott reads the OGR forum but frequently relies on many others (including me on rare occasion) to respond to questions. Scott refers to me as his "east coast representative" as I do some work for Sunset / GGD including setting up and displaying at numerous 2 rail shows except O Scale West. I do display at York in the Orange Hall.

I refer to my self as an old train person who worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad / Penn Central and the Steam Locomotive Corporation of America (Ross Rowland). Although I have an O scale "Christmas " garden that I keep up year round my true interest was real trains.

Robert Heil ----- Sunset Models/ 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot

Originally posted by Rheil:

Ron,

The Sunset BM70 was a separate sale item. As I recall it listed for $400 .

Was that a 2 rail model only or a three rail model as well?

How about a separate sale coast to coast with both infrared and tether and I will make the combination I want.

G3750 posted:

Bob posted:

sinclair posted:

The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede.  And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.

Post a wanted ad that you need the Centipede, offer close to original MSRP and I'll bet you'll have one in no time!

Nice, Bob!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtwlHV1-O8

George

Why would I do that to get a used one when I can still get a new one at MSRP.  But I don't need Vision Line, just Legacy sound and control.  And minus those loud roof fans.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

 

Was that a 2 rail model only or a three rail model as well?

It was available in both 2 and 3 rail and either solid tuscan or Fleet of Modernism paint.

How about a LionMaster sized Decapod with the standard short tender.

My biggest curve is O-36 so my biggest constraint is the minimum radius.  I'd love to see Lionel re-release the Lionmaster T1.  (I don't have one.)

And although I have a conventional GG1, I'd like to find an O-36-friendly GG1 with Legacy or PS3 - maybe a Lionmaster GG1, Lionel?  The first electric Lionmaster?  They might even throw in that new arcing feature they developed for the VisionLine version.

Of secondary priority: I like the "weird" PRR electrics - the BB1, DD1, etc. - but the one I'd be most interested in finding would be an L5 that can take O-36 curves.