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Lionel's Vision Line is quite amazing. The locomotives have features that no other O-Scale train company has ever featured in their engines. The Vision rolling stock is just as cool. I own a set of Santa Fe Vision Reefers from the previous run (2021), and I absolutely love them.

However, I model the modern era and would love to see some new Vision Line modern offerings in the future. Here are some of my ideas for modern era Vision Line products.



Vision Modern Locomotive Ideas:

-ET44AC (UP, CSX, NS, KCS, CN, GE Prototype liveries) and ET44C4 (BNSF; with correct truck details); include different smokestack variations and other detail variations

-SD70ACe-T4 (UP, CSX, EMD/Progress Rail Prototype liveries; BNSF, CN, CP, KCS, and NS fictional paint schemes)

-Siemens Charger (ALC-42, SC44, SCB40, ALC-42E)

-Wabtec/GE Battery-electric locomotive

-GEVO Hybrid Prototype in multiple liveries



Vision Modern Rolling Stock:

-Ethanol Tank Car sets in several liveries

-Vision Intermodal Well Car with sound system and speaker in removable container

-Vision Siemens Venture Coaches (for Siemens Chargers); include ALC-42E pantograph and 3rd rail pickup trailer car models with Vision sounds and working pantograph)

-Bi-level Commuter Cars, Surfliner Cars, and California Cars

-Modern Vision Box Cars or Reefers (don't know why Lionel has never made these; they have done 1950s versions several times)

-Boeing airplane fuselage train cars with removable loads; sound car included in set or sold separately)

-Wind turbine train

-Nuclear cask train cars

-Roadrailer Trailer set (one trailer with sounds)

-Vision LNG Fuel Car and FEC ES44C4 (with correct truck details)



New Vision Features for new locos (Base-3 might be able to give us some of these features):

-Rotating bearing caps on modern diesels

-Dynamic braking sound and control

-Sand fill and sand application with accompanying sounds/crewtalk

-Doppler effect feature similar to MTH DCS



Vision Premium Train Sets:

-Avelia Liberty passenger train (replacement for the Acela)

-BNSF Boeing fuselage train (BNSF in real life runs fuselages from a manufacturing plant in Kansas to a facility in Washington; they run over BNSF's Stevens Pass line.)

-NS or Conrail Roadrailer Train w/ sound trailer in train

-Modern Intermodal Train with Vision Well Car or two

-Brightline Passenger Train with 2 Vision Siemens SCB40 Chargers (both powered) and 4 Siemens Venture Coaches; addon cars available; perhaps rear loco could include Station Sounds and prime mover sounds

-Amtrak Superliner Train with ALC-42 Charger (include Station Sounds Diner in set; add-on cars available)

-Pacific Surfliner Train with SC44 Charger (include SS Diner in set; add-on cars available)



-Other possible Vision products:

-Vision Scale Intermodal Crane with Sounds (perfect for modern Intermodal trains); include command-control and crew figures in control station; include working lighting

-Vision Turntable for Fastrack (not really modern, but some are still in use in modern yards (Cheyenne, Wyoming, for example); include motor, command-control board, crew figures in control cabin and add-on details for different turntable looks; a separate-sale sound building would add a lot of fun to loco facility operations

-Diesel Fueling Depot with sounds, lots of details, and crew figures

-Modern Yard Tower with interior details, lighting on interior and exterior, yard background sounds, and crew figures; include different railroad logo signs to place on tower to make it fit your layout

So, what do you guys think? If anyone has any other modern Vision Line product ideas, let me know in the comments. Hopefully Lionel's product people are listening. Maybe I'll see some of these products made in the future.

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A Vision Line coal tower - concrete version and spanning two tracks - would be appropriate IMO. It could feature remote control operation of chutes going up and down and coal loading sounds (to simulate refilling of the depleted coal load of the VL Big Boys ). And, of course it would have copious amounts of lights - these things looked incredible at nighttime.

The copyright issue prevents me from posting pictures of the real towers; they were very impressive looking - like something out of a science fiction film. Frankly it's mind-boggling that they haven't been made in O-scale before, at least not that I am aware of.

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@RickO posted:

Anything thats NOT a bigboy................

@B rad posted:

I say do a Visionline Shay ....

Brad

With the correct 6 chuffs per revolution.













-Vision Turntable for Fastrack (not really modern, but some are still in use in modern yards (Cheyenne, Wyoming, for example); include motor, command-control board, crew figures in control cabin and add-on details for different turntable looks; a separate-sale sound building would add a lot of fun to loco facility operations

-Diesel Fueling Depot with sounds, lots of details, and crew figures



30" turntable, sand towers with fueling depot.

@Dylan the Train Man posted:

-Other possible Vision products:

-Vision Scale Intermodal Crane with Sounds (perfect for modern Intermodal trains); include command-control and crew figures in control station; include working lighting

-Vision Turntable for Fastrack (not really modern, but some are still in use in modern yards (Cheyenne, Wyoming, for example); include motor, command-control board, crew figures in control cabin and add-on details for different turntable looks; a separate-sale sound building would add a lot of fun to loco facility operations

-Modern Yard Tower with interior details, lighting on interior and exterior, yard background sounds, and crew figures; include different railroad logo signs to place on tower to make it fit your layout

These are excellent ideas!! I'm not a modern guy at all but these would be some really cool products. Especially if the yard tower incorporated something to make signals/switches easier to wire.

Beyond that, I think a Phantom would be a hit! It could even be slightly modified to gain real estate to fit oddball features in.

As far as the diesels go, do they have powered spinning fans behind the screen? That would be cool. Moving windshield wipers would be a cool feature although potentially very problematic. I heard the kinematic pilots (or couplers?) or something were problematic on some diesels. Lionel should polish that up. It's a neat idea from what I recall.

I agree with Brad. I would love to see either a Shay, Climax or Heisler geared steam locomotive. PRR museum near Strasburg has one of each. It would be nice if they would model one of them. My second vote would be an Erie steam locomotive in the Russian Iron coloration. Either a 2-8-8-8-2 Triplex or a 0-8-8-0 camel back. I realize that MTH has them but I think these as a vision line engine  would be awesome.

Yeah, the Phantom sets are an awesome idea, too.

I also like the spinning radiator fan idea. Lionel had those in both the GEVO Hybrid and Baldwin Centipede.

I just thought of another cool idea that could make train operations way better: Wi-Fi Cameras in engine cabs. Lionel put them in passenger cars and cabooses, so why not locomotives? Operators could run trains and make videos of cab rides around their layouts without putting a camera on a flatcar in front of the lead locomotive.

During the previous year there was enough discussion about SD7/9's by Sunset 3rd Rail to prompt the possibility of a second production run.  So far, it has been deemed as a "filler project" which gives the aura it could never occur.  If Lionel offered a BTO SD7 or SD9 of CB&Q Chinese red/gray unit, I could guarantee them the orders would come in.  MTH offered a "sorta close" version of this locomotive, but beyond 3rd Rail I cannot think of a TMCC controlled SD offering that included road specific details.  This same scenario could be said for F45, FP45, and the similar Amtrak units...some offered in DCS, but not TMCC/Legacy.  To me, it seems the majority of us are silently screaming for those units.

Whaddayathink?

I thought of another awesome feature for a Vision Line modern diesel locomotive: EMD and GE Radial Trucks that actually work just like the real things. EMD first incorporated their new Radial Trucks on the SD70-series in the early 1990s. GE also had Radial Trucks on some AC4400CWs and GEVOs. Both versions are expensive and have maintenance issues, but the railroads had some success with them when they worked. The functioning Radial Trucks could be a cool feature to see Lionel implement. However, could they actually make the trucks work just like in real life?

I thought of another awesome feature for a Vision Line modern diesel locomotive: EMD and GE Radial Trucks that actually work just like the real things. EMD first incorporated their new Radial Trucks on the SD70-series in the early 1990s. GE also had Radial Trucks on some AC4400CWs and GEVOs. Both versions are expensive and have maintenance issues, but the railroads had some success with them when they worked. The functioning Radial Trucks could be a cool feature to see Lionel implement. However, could they actually make the trucks work just like in real life?

I believe that Kohls made a GG1 with a functional quill drive in O scale so anything possible.  However, the current cast metal 3-axle truck blocks and truck side frames and gearing will not work for functional radial trucks in O scale. To make a functional radial truck would probably require a separate motor for every axle and be arranged in a very similar manner to the prototype. Motors small enough do exist so it it is probably doable. However, expect to pay big bucks for such a model. The model GG1 with an actual functional quill drive was twice as expensive as the same model with "conventional" drive.

I posted this a while back, I guess it didn't move the needle at the big 'L'...  Since our dear, departed CAB-2 had a slider for train brake, what if there really was a train brake?  I'm talking about a Vision Line CABOOSE, or perhaps freight cars which you could place at the rear of the train, that have a Legacy receiver, and a solenoid-controlled expanding link that presses against the insides of the wheels.

Now when you apply the "train brake," you're actually braking the train rather than merely slowing down the loco.

This would work great with passenger trains, too.  It's a shame that every loco has those *&^$#@%^* rubber tires.  Because I would love to be able to come into a station stop working steam with the brake applied to keep the slack stretched, and see some prototypical wheelspin!

During the previous year there was enough discussion about SD7/9's by Sunset 3rd Rail to prompt the possibility of a second production run.  So far, it has been deemed as a "filler project" which gives the aura it could never occur.  If Lionel offered a BTO SD7 or SD9 of CB&Q Chinese red/gray unit, I could guarantee them the orders would come in.  MTH offered a "sorta close" version of this locomotive, but beyond 3rd Rail I cannot think of a TMCC controlled SD offering that included road specific details.  This same scenario could be said for F45, FP45, and the similar Amtrak units...some offered in DCS, but not TMCC/Legacy.  To me, it seems the majority of us are silently screaming for those units.

Whaddayathink?

Robert R Leese

When Sunset says "Filler Project" they don't mean it may never occur.    They mean it is expected to be a small run so they will fit it in between a couple of the newer projects that are ready to go.

It goes or not goes based on the reservations.   The reservations are still open so that means they either don't have quite enough or they  don't have an opening in the schedule.   so don't give up hope.    You know you do not have to put down a payment to reserve.

@SGP posted:

For steam locomotives I could see a valve gear that actually moves when you change directions on the Legacy/TMCC remote. I think 3rd rail might have done this on their Greenbriers. It would standout a great deal compared to anything else on the market.

Sunset 3rd Rail had working reverse gear on their C&O H8 Late Allegheny engines.  Each set of drivers had an adjustment screw underneath.  Looked really great in operation.

@Ted S posted:

I posted this a while back, I guess it didn't move the needle at the big 'L'...  Since our dear, departed CAB-2 had a slider for train brake, what if there really was a train brake?  I'm talking about a Vision Line CABOOSE, or perhaps freight cars which you could place at the rear of the train, that have a Legacy receiver, and a solenoid-controlled expanding link that presses against the insides of the wheels.

Now when you apply the "train brake," you're actually braking the train rather than merely slowing down the loco.

This would work great with passenger trains, too.  It's a shame that every loco has those *&^$#@%^* rubber tires.  Because I would love to be able to come into a station stop working steam with the brake applied to keep the slack stretched, and see some prototypical wheelspin!

What could possibly go wrong with all those cars having a command board to complete some action (Original Acela)?

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