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This loco and many like it, e.g. 2035, have linkages on the side that are just for looks, except for driving smoke.  All the wheels are connected through spur gears one one side.  other side has pressed on wheel on each axle. So this is what makes my question so puzzling.

The engine ran great for the couple years I've had it. Coasting great.  Very free-wheeling.  But suddenly it slowed down and stopped.  It was pulling about 10-12 cars.   Examining it I found binding on the left side linkages in one spot during rotation.  The left side has the geartrain.  Taking it apart one link at a time, I found the side rod was binding.   Looking at the wheels, the rear wheel seems to be out of phase with the other two by about 20 degrees.  See pic.  Probably the cause of binding since removing the rod freed up the wheels.  I have no idea how the wheel moved (if it did).  No gear teeth show any damage.  No wheels seem loose.  All are meshed together with gear teeth.  I have no way of pulling and reinstalling the wheel so I elongated the holes in the side rod for more clearance.  So this worked, no more side rod binding.  However, with all the linkages reassembled, I still had binding in a different spot.  What was binding now was the eccentric rod post to the side rod.  Again due to one wheel being out of position, forcing the eccentric rod post into the side rod.  Another elongation of the center side rod hole fixed this interference.

So it runs fine now, although I am shy about running it under much load.

So I solved the problem, but am still puzzled how this could happen after 75+ years.  Any ideas?



Thanks, Bob

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More than likely, one of the driver sets is just loose enough to jump a tooth or two, causing the driver set to get out of quarter. ( it’s not called phasing ) Unfortunately, you’ve already modified the parts, so putting back together the way it’s supposed to be can’t ever happen. However, these engines as parts donors are a dime a dozen on the popular shopping experiences, or watch for a beater on Trainz. ( one of our forum sponsors ) Also, Trainz now has wonderful exploded parts views for Postwar Lionel locomotives, so you could fairly inexpensively replace the parts you elongated. The loose driver can be repaired too. You need to identify the offender, pull it, clean it and the axle, and put a drop of loctite shaft retainer on the wheel and press it back together. The loctite will lock that loose driver back down for good.

Pat

Thanks Pat.

I believe I understand that it could have been loose enough to move a tooth or two, but shouldn't each side be out of position (quartered) if that happened?  The other side seems fine.  I guess the only way that one wheel could have done what it did is to disengage from the gear AND slip on the shaft.  Otherwise both left and right wheels on the same shaft would have moved.

@TrainCzar posted:

Thanks Pat.

I believe I understand that it could have been loose enough to move a tooth or two, but shouldn't each side be out of position (quartered) if that happened?  The other side seems fine.  I guess the only way that one wheel could have done what it did is to disengage from the gear AND slip on the shaft.  Otherwise both left and right wheels on the same shaft would have moved.

Sure, yes, ….one wheel only could’ve come loose on the axle, and slipped just away enough to disengage the spur gears. It will definitely require a closer second look. Or the issue could just keep reoccurring…..

Pat

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