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@M J Breen posted:

@sdmann Great news Scott!  Question - does this include the tavern lounge car from the Tennessean?  

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this would allow the N&W modelers to have a proper consist for their Js to pull!  

You should probably delete this photo before the moderators step in.  We’re not supposed to post photos unless it’s our own stuff or we own the photos. Post a link to the photo. Just trying to help

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This is a top 3 run for me! The Eagle and Milwaukee Road are my favorites. For those wondering on additional cars, here is a list that Scott posted. Please visit the site and reserve. =)

Additional  Cars Available:

Atlanta & West Point (52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Diner)
Florida East Coast (52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Obs)
L&N ( Bag/RPO, Bag/Dorm, 52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Diner, Obs)
PRR (10-6 Sleepers)
Western Railway of Alabama (Bag/RPO, 52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Diner, Obs)

Pending Licencing by Amtrak:
Amtrak 10-6 Sleepers (Phase I, III, IV & V)
Amtrak Diners (Phase I,  III, IV & V)
Amtrak Coaches (Phase I, III, IV & V)

This looks awesome.  I will definitely get in on this project but will wait for things to marinate a little with folks proposing specific cars for consists etc. as well as the list of available pool cars firming up.  There are enough cars being offered up with some of these roads to potentially make up full named trains which may have never been offered before to my knowledge.

The other factor is engines.  If the E8s are being done again, then certainly I'd wait for a set of the Crescent-branded E8s versus some other power for that train.  Same goes with the pool cars.  It will be up to some of our prototype history-minded folks to say, "hey, if we had X Y and Z, you could make Named Train 2 from 1951 which ran PAs" etc.

So this will be a lot of fun.

@vash44 posted:

This is a top 3 run for me! The Eagle and Milwaukee Road are my favorites. For those wondering on additional cars, here is a list that Scott posted. Please visit the site and reserve. =)

Additional  Cars Available:

Atlanta & West Point (52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Diner)
Florida East Coast (52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Obs)
L&N ( Bag/RPO, Bag/Dorm, 52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Diner, Obs)
PRR (10-6 Sleepers)
Western Railway of Alabama (Bag/RPO, 52 Seat Coach, 10-6 Sleeper, Diner, Obs)

Pending Licencing by Amtrak:
Amtrak 10-6 Sleepers (Phase I, III, IV & V)
Amtrak Diners (Phase I,  III, IV & V)
Amtrak Coaches (Phase I, III, IV & V)

As others have pointed out, with these additional cars, you can put together 3 separate trains:

The Crescent

The Gulf Wind (L&N/Seaboard)

The Royal Palm (Florida East Coast/Southern)

Maybe we can get Seaboard coaches and sleepers too?  I am guessing they were not part of these prototype car orders but maybe they had identical/very similar cars?

These cars will all have the silver roofs, right?  I hope so, since that would cover 1949 to the mid 1970’s, and most motive power options.

Black roofs would limit them to mid 1970’s to late 1970’s.  Black roofs would be a dealbreaker for me.

I guess that people who want black roofs could always paint them black, which would be much easier than the other way around, and trying to match the silver finish.

@Jtrain posted:

These cars will all have the silver roofs, right?  I hope so, since that would cover 1949 to the mid 1970’s, and most motive power options.

Black roofs would limit them to mid 1970’s to late 1970’s.  Black roofs would be a dealbreaker for me.

I guess that people who want black roofs could always paint them black, which would be much easier than the other way around, and trying to match the silver finish.

Yes, Scott has said the train will be "as delivered" with silver roofs.

This is only slightly of topic:  When I was six years old, my dad used to take me to see the Crescent go on the Long Bridge over the Potomac in Washington DC Many years later, towards the end of its life, I either watched it from our high rise apartment building across the Capital Beltway, or I drove to see it speed through Burke VA.  Here are a couple photos of it with my vintage car:

6901 and 140

Crescent and 140

The crew always waved!  Now you know why I need to have one pulled by a GG1 on my layout.

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This is only slightly of topic:  When I was six years old, my dad used to take me to see the Crescent go on the Long Bridge over the Potomac in Washington DC Many years later, towards the end of its life, I either watched it from our high rise apartment building across the Capital Beltway, or I drove to see it speed through Burke VA.  Here are a couple photos of it with my vintage car.

Hi John:

Thank you for the photo of 6901 and of your car.  Great shot!

do you still have the car after all these years?

Happy railroading,

Don

So I am trying to put an order in on these cars. I will order the 8 car set +not sure the other cars....thinking about a L&N sleeper and Atlanta & West Point coach. What would a typical 1952-1954 passenger train car consist look like? How many sleepers and coaches. I am assuming the cars from all the road names that managed the train would be all mixed up but Scott says the only way to get the Crescent observation is with the set.....so the set it will be, but what should I add?

When the crescent was pulled by EMD E6's in the colorful early paint scheme was there some streamlined cars mixed with heavyweights? Or did they only pull heavyweights. I am interested in the new E6's in Lionel's catalog.

I have the Lionel E8's that others have mentioned and I plan on running those and ignoring the fact that they did not have the "The Crescent" logo on the front in the 1950's.

The last question is - South of Montgomery would L&N engines have pulled this train or did Southern engines run through? Just wondering If I could use my L&N E6's or E8's.

On a side note I was looking through the consist of the Tennessean (I have a 3rd rail E6 Tennessean-no cars). A person could use some of the cars if you can overlook Bud vs Pullman Standard and car names. The headend , dinner and coaches are similar, you would not have a blunt end observation car- maybe use the Buffet/lounge and add heavyweight sleepers on the end. I know not exact, but reasonable.

Joe

@Will Ebbert posted:

Yes, it would've used L&N power south. From Montgomery to Atlanta was A&WP/ W of A F3s.

But it looks like A&WP had no F3’s and W of A only had one, if you can believe Wikipedia.  Neither railroad had any F7’s.  They did have a few FP7’s, but it is my understanding that those were used for secondary routes/connecting trains.  So did the Crescent actually use A&WP/W of A power?  Or was it just PRR/Southern/L&N?

@Jtrain posted:

But it looks like A&WP had no F3’s and W of A only had one, if you can believe Wikipedia.  Neither railroad had any F7’s.  They did have a few FP7’s, but it is my understanding that those were used for secondary routes/connecting trains.  So did the Crescent actually use A&WP/W of A power?  Or was it just PRR/Southern/L&N?

Shoot me an email and I'll send you some photos I have of the Crescent in the Auburn, AL area with an F unit from each of the two roads.

@Will Ebbert posted:

Shoot me an email and I'll send you some photos I have of the Crescent in the Auburn, AL area with an F unit from each of the two roads.

Was that in the 1960’s?  I wouldn’t think that 2 F units at 3,000 total hp would be enough horsepower to pull that train in the 1950’s.  Maybe in the 1960’s when the train got shorter.  The Southern used at least 2 E units at a minimum of 4,000 hp in the 1940’s/1950’s.

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I am trying to figure out which extra cars I want.  I used to live in Atlanta and have been to West Point, GA many times...so I was thinking A&WP, but can't find many pictures.  I saw an HO model on brass trains that had a red surrounding the lettering.  Was this typical?  If you own a picture of some of these obscure road names, can you post pictures or if you have some, I can email you.  Thanks

Yes I'm in a bit of a pickle. I'm going to have to order the Southern 8 car set to get the lounge car and Southern observation, but I want a handful of W of A and A&WP cars for sure and I wouldn't mind a couple L&N cars, but I'd really only like ~11 cars in total so I'll end up with more than I'd like. Either run a long train or try and sell some extras? I wish each car was available individually.

Well I have spent some time looking through Southern, L&N, and Pullman standard books and have found a few interesting things that is helping me decide what extra cars to order. (note: I didn't really pay attention to all the roads - just the ones I was interested in L&N, Atlanta & West Point, and Western of Alabama)

Also these cars were assigned or purchased for the original 1949 Crescent:

10-6 Sleepers: L&N (2) 3400* Mobile River and 3401* Pearl River. Western of Alabama - Alabama River and Atlanta & WP - Chattahoochee River. Not sure the numbers on those. Also (*) I looked at two books and they had the numbers on the L&N sleepers reversed so I am not positive which car get 3400 & 3401.

52 seat Coaches: L&N (3) 3250-3251 (that is not 3, but that's what I see) Western of Alabama (1) #106 and Atlanta & WP (2) 68-69.

I like the letter board on the Western of Alabama and Atlanta & WP. "The West Point Route" 

I am thinking about requesting L&N 10-6 Pearl River, A&WP "Chattahoochee River" - Love that name,  and W of A coach 106.

Joe

Just submitted my finalized order. Should make for a nice train. Hopefully the list isn't too confusing haha

Southern 8 car set (Coosa River or Catawba River for the included 10-6 sleeper and Crescent Moon or Crescent Harbor for the buffet/lounge)

1 extra Southern coach (#829 and #832 between the set and add on)

A&WP 10-6 sleeper (Chattahoochee River)

A&WP coach

W of A 10-6 sleeper (Alabama River)

W of A coach





Amtrak phase VI diner

Do we know when the reservations are closing on these?  I have some on order, but am thinking of adding more.

Here’s a “Today” snapshot. The “Q” Can Change.  
Amtrak cars (Superliner, Viewliner, Amfleet) are currently in production. Next in the Q is the B&O Capital Ltd. and it Still Has Open reservations. The Southern is next in the Q after the Cap.  
The Southern just got a revised listing with extensive “Extras”. Scott will want people to have time to consider these extras. When the Cap heads into production (reservations close),  its time to decide on your Southern consist.
Understand…..when reservations close, the production numbers are fixed. That determines how many Parts Are Ordered.  When one train is finishing production, the next one is ready to slide right into the production line…. There is considerable overlap of effort.

So….You’ve some time now to be refining your reservations. Whenever you are ready, go ahead and step up if you are comfortable with that. The better reservation numbers firm up the Q.

Lots of really nice choices !!!

Cheers 😉

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